This Is Fine

Unionhawk

02:14

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha Baked Alaska is pivoting to a new grift that isn't literally being a nazi

MBraedley

@Unionhawk You had my hopes up

Why would you do that?

Unionhawk

If I ever find out the pee tape is real, the link will literally say "the pee tape is real (not a link to the actual tape but an article)"

Avery

you

you give me a very evil idea

RIP Symantec SSL, being untrusted by chrome for misissuing 30k certs

GodEmperorDune

03:20

@Avery how do you misissue 30k certs?!

cazc_941

03:53

it don't matter none of this matters

►

Unionhawk

@cazc_941 pinned message forever recycling the pin every time it expires

GodEmperorDune

@cazc_941 carl is always relevant

GodEmperorDune

04:16

This shark has been in every major hurricane and flood for 5 years. How does he not have a job as a field reporter? https://twitter.com/mopage19/status/906928414858338304

Tweeted by Singlemaltfiend on September 10, 2017 at 8:17 PM

GodEmperorDune

05:00

ted Cruz likes porn tweets from official account

user15026

05:21

@GodEmperorDune I checked, and yeah, its there in his likes. (and NSFW, obviously)

Nzall

06:25

@Ash It's really annoying, because people are lambasting him about it on Twitter, and some of these images appear on my feed at work

Also, he already unliked them

GodEmperorDune

07:29

So is looking for porn on Twitter officially called "cruzing" now or what

Tweeted by arthur_affect on September 12, 2017 at 6:49 AM

this is covfefe level great twitter

badp

09:30

Just a few hours after launching the campaign, our website is down🙄 We are sorry about that and we are trying to solve the issue ASAP 🔧

Tweeted by EUvsDisinfo on September 12, 2017 at 9:06 AM

dammit @Avery you broke it

@GodEmperorDune with computers

they're very good at doing the wrong thing at scale

Unionhawk

11:32

Hillary Clinton says she isn't running for office ever again, and her latest memoir is nearly 500 pages of proof… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/907567060108136448

Tweeted by CNN on September 12, 2017 at 11:30 AM

MBraedley

12:40

and the story that goes with that image

StrixVaria

I heard ~8million are without power, ~60% of the state.

I haven't seen many news sources estimating damages yet.

MBraedley

They probably don't know the full extent yet

Unionhawk

I know Sea Base (scout camp in the keys) staff is safe (and no scouts on base, they probably had to cancel a conference or something), but US1 is impassable still

Yuuki

13:18

@GodEmperorDune On the one hand, official Twitter accounts are usually run by interns. On the other hand, apparently metadata placed the like as originating from an iPhone whereas interns usually post from a different user-agent.

Unionhawk

I want to believe that Ted Cruz was signed in to the wrong account on his phone and didn't check

And that he has an entire private account so he can fave stuff like this

Avery

@Unionhawk wait

that's real?

I thought that it was not serious

Unionhawk

yes

Ted Cruz really favorited a porn tweet

Avery

like

nice

Unionhawk

and I mean whomst among us

Avery

13:27

hahaha the twitter bio of that acc is amazing

Avery

13:40

today is a good day for likes

fredley

14:07

Avery

@fredley tfw you heard cat1,2,3,5

though "12000" is new

I've heard same with 96 or 72 or stuff

Unionhawk

It's amazing to me that people decide they need a concrete number in that department

Like why do you care/who cares

Avery

yes

Yuuki

People who have to write form pages.

fredley

@Unionhawk Because they've been taught to fear/hate by those who can leverage that hatred to gain power?

Yuuki

14:18

I mean, I guess you could just use a textbox.

fredley

@Yuuki <input name="gender" type="text">

Yuuki

But then you have to handle user error.

fredley

But also there are so few scenarios where you actually need that information

Unionhawk

Yeah

fredley

@Yuuki True.

Unionhawk

14:19

And when you do you often actually need how it's marked on identification

Yuuki

@fredley Look, man, I just write the webpages the way I'm told.

Unionhawk

as in airline ticket booking

fredley

@Unionhawk <input name="y_chromosomes" type="number">

Unionhawk

Well that's not even necessarily..

Yuuki

@fredley You want to authorize TSA to do blood tests?

You monster.

Avery

14:20

@Yuuki actually there's like this one european data colleciton guidance or something and it's like "if you don't need it then don't ask it, if you really need it, then specify why you need it"

Yuuki

Or cotton swabs, I guess.

fredley

@Unionhawk necessarily what? Everyone has a number of y chromosomes

Unionhawk

@Yuuki Peter Thiel for DHS head

Yuuki

@Avery I'm IT, not legal. That's not my department.

fredley

@Unionhawk Peter Thiel for off with his head

Unionhawk

14:21

But then who am I supposed to give my blood

nobody?

that's preposterous

fredley

@Avery I wish this was the case with everything, so badly

Kevin van der Velden

@Yuuki I've once had to go "No, we're not going to do that for legal reasons"

fredley

Yuuki

@fredley Is that ~~Dean Cain~~ Ethan Hawke?

fredley

@Yuuki Yes

Nzall

14:23

<input name="testicle_count" type="select"><option>0</option><option>2</option></input>

fredley

@Nzall ಠ_ಠ

Unionhawk

RIP @fredley

fredley

If it's a small number of options, you should use a radio you monster

Nzall

I'm considering adding a multiple="true" to that

Unionhawk

what even does an input type select with multiselect look like

Nzall

14:25

I just bursted out laughing in the middle of the office

no dropdown, just a series of options you can drag or shift-seelct

Tim Stone

AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! https://t.co/NPWPHxrB7v

Tweeted by FranklinH3000 on September 12, 2017 at 2:21 PM

fredley

 <input name="testicles" type="select" multiple><option>left</option><option>right</option></input>

Avery

:thinking:

fredley

Meanwhile in the GOP

> A 28-year-old Broward County Republican is refusing to resign his position as party secretary after colleagues discovered over the weekend that he had once been prosecuted for brutally beating a high school girl with a claw hammer.

Nzall

@fredley What if you're one of the rare people with 3 testicles?

Or 4?

fredley

14:28

@Nzall Is this going to be like that phone number input meme but with testicles?

Nzall

@fredley I mean, if you want to, sure

Avery

@fredley I mean there are people who go through surgical castration for various reasons (cancer or other stuff but the one i currently have on mind is more often called orchiectomy so)

MBraedley

@Nzall Krogan are real?

Kevin van der Velden

@Nzall or if you have fake testicles. Honestly @fredley I'd expect you of all people to be more sensitive to that

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden ಠ_ಠ

Kevin van der Velden

14:29

@fredley and I didn't even CC @Arperum!

Unionhawk

-> entire room moved to Android Hell

fredley

Lets continue this line of conversation with some explicit descriptions of exactly what the procedure and recovery period for a bilateral testicular fixture operation is shall we?

Private Pansy

@fredley You know, I've never seem a multiselect input in the wild

Nzall

@fredley please don't, every time I had minor pain down there, I was concerned for torsion

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley I mean, I won't object, I have friends who work in hospitals

Unionhawk

14:31

I'm going to just flag every single person who continues down this path

fredley

@PrivatePansy They're really bad for usability, i reckon a good 90% of people wouldn't be able to use them

@KevinvanderVelden Prepares the yellow rubber tubing

Nzall

@PrivatePansy We have multiple of them in our product. They're useful in case you want to start a search for multiple entities of the same type

Private Pansy

@Nzall Also, a single dropdown select is just <select>

fredley

@Nzall We use them in internal UIs

Unionhawk

@fredley Isn't it just a multiselect listbox? Or is it worse than that

Nzall

14:33

we use them in our product, for example if you want to search for the status of certain requests

Private Pansy

@Nzall If I ever have to use it on a public facing app, it'll be a tag select dropdown style input

fredley

But these days it's easy enough to build a drag and drop UI that most people are going to find easier to use / reason about

@Unionhawk Yes. But shift-click or control-click is something 90% of computer users have never done

Private Pansy

@Unionhawk It is "just" that. But it's used too infrequently for people to understand

And requiring keyboard just kills it

Unionhawk

@fredley TIL I am the 10%

Private Pansy

Every other UI control requires only the mouse

fredley

14:34

Yeah, experience on touch devices is terrible

Unionhawk

@PrivatePansy This is true

fredley

@Unionhawk We all are innit

Unionhawk

I forgot that touch device ux is a thing that one needs to consider first and foremost

Private Pansy

Alternatives: Tag select, checkbox list, whatever thingmagic @fredley said

(I don't really know if drag and drop is a good idea, but my intuition leans no)

MBraedley

@PrivatePansy I mean, this is true today, but wasn't really the case a couple decades ago.

fredley

14:35

@PrivatePansy Depends on the mental model really, and the userbase you're targetting

Checkbox list probably the best

Nzall

In our recent rework of these pages where there is a multiple select, we use the Dojox CheckedMultiSelect

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley ooh kinky

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden ಠ_ಠ

Kevin van der Velden

Yes, desired response get

Unionhawk

fuck @KevinvanderVelden called my bluff

Kevin van der Velden

14:37

I do that occasionally

Private Pansy

@Nzall I guess there's the benefit of not having to change the markup, but it seems weird you'd want to create a <select multiple>, then dress it up as a list of <input type=checkbox>

Also! Back on topic: Singapore elected a new president by not electing her

Nzall

@PrivatePansy it takes out the keyboard aspect of the control, by just requiring you to click each element you wish to select

if you only have a couple of elements to select, it makes it easier

Private Pansy

@Nzall Yeah, I know. It's just that the markup is weird - you can do the same with a list of checkboxes, and without the fancy JS

r/singapore is kind of pissed about it

Nzall

@PrivatePansy Again, we already use Dojo, and the beauty of this is that we just define a json list of items in Struts2, put this on the right place, and Dojo automatically parses it to a fully functional list of checkboxes, which then all work as a single list in Java

Private Pansy

Ah, okay, constructed from JSON. That makes sense.

They are meming so hard right now

Nzall

14:43

@PrivatePansy The beauty of this setup is also that it takes less space on the page, because the checkboxes are themselves in a div with a scrollbar

So you have the usability of a list of checkboxes, but the layout of a multiselect

Avery

I mean

purity = yay supremacists

Private Pansy

I'm quite sure 'purity and virtue' is kind of standard

Avery

virtue = only by cultural standards, but actually quite sexist and rude

Yuuki

@PrivatePansy That reminds me of the one they did of the US flag that went along the lines of red - government surveillance, white - blatant racism, blue - rampant capitalism, green - not interfering with other countries.

Private Pansy

The flag designers pick whatever colors they want, then pick from a list of positive associations and bullshit

Unionhawk

14:48

Yes

fredley

@Avery Pretty sure there's a joke about Wales to be had with this meme

Yuuki

@Avery Virtue doesn't always mean virginity.

Avery

@Yuuki that's not what I meant

Yuuki

If that's what I think you're thinking.

Unionhawk

Red/White/Blue commonly asociated with courage/honor/loyalty etc

Avery

14:49

it's not

Yuuki

It's about the only definition I can think of that one might consider sexist.

Private Pansy

Singapore Has a New President, No Election Needed

Kevin van der Velden

@Avery @PrivatePansy white in flags has been used for a long time to mean peace, purity and harmony

Avery

well people are culturally great

Unionhawk

@Yuuki It's all about cultural relativity. Duh.

Avery

14:50

but the greatness changes from culture to culture

Yuuki

Greatness is defined by whether you have a unique name in a Civ game.

Private Pansy

> Do we feel better knowing (some) Americans elected Trump of their own accord, or worse knowing they at least had a choice

I honestly don't know

Unionhawk

I mean to be fair the choices were guhsfjlkajsflkjasdhfkjlasdhf

MBraedley

@PrivatePansy What are the requirements for being eligible?

Private Pansy

@MBraedley A whole bunch, but the key one is this:

> and if they have not previously held certain key government appointments or were the chief executives of profitable companies with shareholders' equity of an average of S$500 million for the most recent three years in that office

Now because of the way the law is written, this election is a "reserved election" - reserved for Malays, because the past few Presidents have not been

Since the former Speaker of Parliament is the only candidate, it's a walkover. Now this is controversial because she's actually only half Malay

Unionhawk

15:00

We've done it. We've found the wrongest tweet in the history of all tweets https://twitter.com/IsIsConfined/status/906907432382816257

Tweeted by EmilyGorcenski on September 11, 2017 at 11:49 PM

jesus christ

Private Pansy

The idea that the election should be reserved for a specific race upsets a lot of people, and more so because this time it seems that the idea of racial equality was used as a ploy by the governing party to get their candidate into this position

Albeit one that's mostly ceremonial

This is the first time the "race rule" was evoked since the position was established

fredley

@PrivatePansy wot

You mean she literally put "I'm Malay" on her CV and got given the position?

Private Pansy

@fredley She's the only candidate that meets the requirement, yes (she's the former Speaker of Parliament). Two other candidates have been disqualified for simply not owning companies that are large enough

fredley

@PrivatePansy wot

Private Pansy

You can read the full list of qualifications here. The important one is the last one

Presidential elections in Singapore

Presidential elections in Singapore, in which the President of Singapore is directly elected by popular vote, were introduced through amendments to the Constitution of Singapore in 1991. Potential candidates for office have to fulfil stringent qualifications set out in the Constitution. Certificates of eligibility are issued by the Presidential Elections Committee (PEC). In particular, the PEC must assess that they are persons of integrity, good character and reputation; and if they have not previously held certain key government appointments or were the chief executives of profitable companies...

Unionhawk

15:07

Elections just introduce uncertainty

You see, if we didn't have an election, and just appointed Hillary Clinton by birthright, we wouldn't have Donald Trump

Like he literally wouldn't exist even

It's science

Tim Stone

@PrivatePansy lol, what an arbitrary requirement

Private Pansy

@TimStone It's suppose to ensure the President "has the technical competence and expertise to discharge the functions and exercise the powers of the Presidency appropriately and effectively"

If you ask anyone here it's basically to raise the bar so high only the governing party's favored candidates can run

MBraedley

> He or she must be a person of integrity, good character and reputation.

Unionhawk

I mean I think "profitable companies" disqualifies Donald

MBraedley

What does that even mean?

Unionhawk

15:11

so to be fair

Tim Stone

@PrivatePansy Of course

The explanation doesn't even make sense given the limited power that the President holds, right?

Private Pansy

@MBraedley Quite sure that's on the 'required qualifications' for a lot of positions, even if it is technically meaningless

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk hue

Private Pansy

@TimStone The governing party controls everything

MBraedley

Those service requirements make sense in theory, but their filtering power can be too broad to be useful, or (as is the case) too narrow to promote democracy.

Private Pansy

15:17

You have to understand that this is a country where the governing party getting "only" 60% of the popular vote, and losing 7 seats out of 60 is considered "catastrophic" (for the party)

@MBraedley Yes, the Wikipedia article mentioned less than a thousand people (out of a population of several million) fit the criteria

Unionhawk

Yeah you have to get the safe 97% dictator type blowout otherwise the party could be vulnerable

but like, not a 100% because that looks suspicious

Private Pansy

@Unionhawk Nah, the way the system is rigged is far more sophisticated

The voting is procedurally sound. There's no ballot stuffing, dead voters on the registers, etc. Those things only happen in third world countries.

Instead, the system is designed from the ground up to favor the governing party

Unionhawk

So you mean it's like how the Republicans want to run things

Private Pansy

Some of it like the first past the post system we inherited from the British, some age old classics like gerrymandering, and some interesting new ideas that you'll never find else where like the group constituency system

Oh, and it sure does help that most of the opposition is a fragmented bunch of rabble rousing fringe candidates

MBraedley

15:41

Group constituency, is that like a super district with multiple representatives, one for each given group?

Private Pansy

15:54

@MBraedley Multiple representatives, yes. It is justified as a way to get minority representation, since each group of candidates needs to consist of a mix of races

Of course it's been pointed out that this is also the perfect way to groom newer MPs

It also increases the winner-take-all effect

Unionhawk

17:17

Lots of firetrucks and ambulances a block from the White House, including a hazardous materials emergency vehicle. https://t.co/9SmaojcTqR

Tweeted by DavidCornDC on September 12, 2017 at 5:12 PM

...o.O

Kevin van der Velden

@Unionhawk did the pee tape emerge?

Unionhawk

Unknown

Avery

19:12

A new bluetooth attack vector exposes almost every connected device.

> All Linux devices running BlueZ are affected by the information leak vulnerability (CVE-2017-1000250).

nice

powerdevil requires bluez

nice

yay -Rdd'ing (basically skipping dependency checks) and potentially breaking a ton of stuff

pebble is not affected yay

Unionhawk

20:36

listening to old podcasts "Donald Trump can't win"

nuuuuuuuuu/I remember when that's what the numbers said

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