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00:17
Of course Tucker Carlson's hurricane coverage features Dana Loesch on to attack the governor of the Virgin Islands… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/905947311624376320
Obviously not what she was saying but still glad to see we're back on that "What if we just shoot the hurricane?" shit
I mean
if we have the technology to build a hurricane cannon
why not?
The Six Million Dollar Man Fan
STORM UPDATE • A G4 (Severe) Geomagnetic Storm is now in progress. Latest conditions and predictions:… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/905949466619871232
Oh good we've angered the cosmos as welll
 
1 hour later…
01:27
@TimStone what does this even mean?
do we fly when it gets to a G6?
> some protective systems will mistakenly trip out
02:24
Boo dsa swag shop is sold out
Closed until October
Prosecutors are now trying to revoke Shkreli's bail. As I said before, his bizarre threats against Clinton would co… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/905977058639192068
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
wait what did he threaten clinton with?
I dunno
A bizarre man made a bizarre threat probably
Meanwhile
I would legitimately vote for Elizabeth Warren 2020 and get reasonably excited about that as a thing
But that's Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren on our side that we know of so that's pretty cool
Ooo, my boy Sherrod Brown is not decided
He's up in 18 so I honestly wonder
Ok Google remind me to call Sherrod Brown tomorrow
 
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07:49
@Unionhawk ...
 
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3 hours later…
12:33
Get you a fascist who can do both https://t.co/BqJKbUdeb9
12:43
"I urge everyone to see this film :|"
"this dude to address far-right rally in Germany :)"
My headcanon is he hated every minute of dunkirk
the reality is that the guardian just picked an image of him happy and he didn't for some reason but shhhhhhhhhhhhh
EPA's Scott Pruitt: Hurricane Irma isn't the right time to talk about climate change http://cnn.it/2xadQbx
spontaneously combusts
13:35
Sep 1 at 16:05, by MBraedley
@StrixVaria Warren/Harris 2020! Make it happen!
14:35
@Unionhawk is there ever a time that pruitt wants to talk climate change?
@fredley hue
@GodEmperorDune you can only talk about it on "Climate Change Is Not Real Tuesdays"
which is for some reason a federal holiday
love too watch voter supression happen
(This is also why you shouldn't be writing breitbart opinion pieces when you are working in govt)
Basically they said look at all these people who voted in New Hampshire but don't have state driving licenses
That doesn't mean they voted illegally by any stretch
That's not even a requirement in many states you just need to live there you gajhfkljsdhfg'
fuck
@Unionhawk It's a good thing I don't have RO here because I would have pinned that weeks ago
clearly the solution is to only allow people with nonexpired passports to vote
Seriously
It is a "let's disenfranchise college students from out of state" ploy
YOU SEE
PEOPLE FROM OUT OF STATE ARE COMING HERE
AND USING THE THINLY VEILED EXCUSE OF "LIVING IN THE STATE IN NOVEMBER" TO REGISTER TO VOTE HERE
IT'S ALL A COLLEGE DEMOCRAT PLOT
I MEAN
UH
ILLEGAL VOTING
BY, UH, NONCITIZENS
CLEARLY
The only people who should be allowed to vote are people who registered to vote in 1984 and who voted for Reagan
16:00
Voter registration rules are set by the states, right?
@MBraedley yes
But there are federal rules that basically say that you can only vote once in a federal election, right?
(in addition to the state rules that say the same)
you are def only allowed to vote once in an election, regardless of states, but i'm not sure if that is a federal rule or a rule that all the states have
The point I'm getting at is that in university, I was registered to vote both in my parent's district as well as the district that my university is in, which was totally legal, but Elections Canada rules said I could only vote in one of them.
Some of these New Hampshire students might be in the same situation, if the NH rules and their home state rules don't disallow being registered in multiple districts.
16:19
@MBraedley i can't speak specifically for that state, but most states are fine with you being registered in multiple places, as long as you only vote in one
part of it is that when you move, you register in New State but Old State never gets any notification to cancel it's version of your registration
journalists pointed out that this scenario affected many people high up in the trump admin, including some of the trump kids
Fox reporter shows up in this thread to demonstrate he doesn't understand the data he's reporting on. https://twitter.com/albertocairo/status/906175868422299648
Excellent
Honestly AVR now
@GodEmperorDune Yeah, we got mail to our house from the ODP from somebody who graduated more than 2 years ago
Like "hey we noticed you haven't voted lately"
So this is technically a potential issue
But practically speaking we don't have busloads of people going across state lines to vote more than once
Like that's not a real thing that happens
16:34
and voting more than once is 1) easily discovered and 2) severely punished
and 3) unlikely to swing an election one way or the other
There are 4 credible cases of somebody attempting to vote more than once in 2016
Except this was never about real things this was about a top-down destruction of voting rights in this country
well yes
under the guise of false voter fraud claims
 
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18:57
> Nearly half of Republicans have yet to hold a public town hall since Donald Trump took office.
I wonder how that compares to Democrats while Obama was in office or while they were trying to pass Obamacare.
@Yuuki Yeah, I saw the same thing when I saw that headline. That number is meaningless without a basis for comparison.
I mean, anecdotally speaking, I don't remember much hubbub about representatives not holding town hall meetings.
There was a lot of talk thrown around about the bill itself but not much on the availability of town halls in particular.
There was a lot of noise about how they rushed it through in closed door meetings which is objectively not true
Especially not compared with how AHCA etc was done
20:24
lmao at this live election night show
"I think it's going to be trump" hours pass "Oh fuck this is actually happening"
tldr: The research found that gay men and women tended to have “gender-atypical” features, expressions and “grooming styles”, essentially meaning gay men appeared more feminine and vice versa. The data also identified certain trends, including that gay men had narrower jaws, longer noses and larger foreheads than straight men, and that gay women had larger jaws and smaller foreheads compared to straight women.
so it probably rates all trans people as gay probably which is just 👌
20:39
Neural networks in general basically just find statistical correlations. That one seems to have found statistically significant correlations between reported sexual orientation and certain aspects of facial appearance.
Don't put more stock in it than that. It's just a classifier with a decent accuracy rate; it's not making judgments
ofc
it's more of an internal feeling you should discover than something external that can be classified from your outlook, so I'm kinda surprised at 81% tbh
@Avery there was a good explainer of why this is not that great a result yet
one moment
I have a lot to say about that study where a computer can tell gay and straight faces apart with some success
> If the computer can tell the difference between gay and straight people, it might tell us more about profile pic choices than actual faces
taking pictures of people in a controlled manner with same pose, same place, same expression etc might've provided more average results imo
Yeah, the article I read mentioned that the researchers acknowledged in the paper that the data was from a dating site, and that that probably affected the accuracy
Don't think that the paper follows the scientific methodology that well in that aspect.
20:48
@GodEmperorDune You think people would do that? Go on an Internet dating site and lie?
@Avery As long as they acknowledge possible confounding factors, I think that follows the scientific spirit perfectly well.
hm, yeah, you do have a point
@Yuuki I think it's not "lying" that's the issue here. More that people might be signalling their orientation to prospective partners (purposely or subconsciously)
And also sing it with me, "~correlation does not equal causation~".
@murgatroid99 yes
like if you are trying to attract a certain subset of the population, you use a profile pic catered towards that subset
user15026
I think all this is saying is "oh hey people effectively doing the profile pic equivalent of a bird doing a mating dance to seek their own desired type of bird partner is working"
20:52
if you are trying to attact a book nerd (for a trivial example) you post a pic of yourself in front of filled bookshelves
user15026
like I'd really not let it draw any other conclusions other than "profile pics on dating sites help you find people you want"
On the other hand, if the points of correlation include stuff like facial structure, then signalling isn't the whole story
@murgatroid99 right, which is why you would want to control for other things to make sure that actual facial differences are the points of correlation
@GodEmperorDune Well, the article seems to claim that they did specifically analyze facial structure features
The analysis involved ~35,000 images, so the probability of spurious correlation seems relatively low.
Hmm. I do have doubts about their methodology for determining what parts of the image were relevant to classification
For each image, they basically took a 32x32 grid, and re-ran the classifier with each square blacked out one at a time. This seems to ignore both the expectation of correlations between parts of a face, and the fact that neural network classifiers don't really work like that
Well, they also did some other analysis, based on averaging the "facial landmarks" of the most strongly classified faces on each end
21:07
@Yuuki I don't think that anyone is implying that
That seems more likely to yield reasonable results regarding the correlation between facial features and orientation
On the other hand, there are pitfalls of comparing averages between populations
A bit later in the paper, it says that they were able to get surprisingly high accuracy using only the face contour (75% for men and 63% for women). It looks like they were also able to get 75% accuracy for men using only the mouth, and using only the eyebrows
I got to the part where they talk about the signalling aspect. It says that human judges were able to guess orientation based on these pictures with the same accuracy as with pictures that were not sourced from dating sites in previous studies, which implies that "the facial images used in our study were not unusually revealing of sexual orientation(at least to humans)"
Overall, the paper's methodology seems pretty good, and the conclusions they drew seem reasonable based on the data presented.
21:30
@murgatroid99 so it's media taking a reasonable paper and making it into clickbait?
yeah, as always
@GodEmperorDune I don't think the Guardian article actually significantly distorted that paper's findings
user15026
I dunno the whole idea of the fact that this is effectively facial gaydar does not sit well with me
user15026
(and I'm assuming bisexuals don't count what so damn ever because when do we ever)
@Ash I think that just wasn't part of the data set because they didn't have a sufficient volume of images
user15026
21:36
Sure, let's go with that.
For the same reason, the study only involves white people, because there weren't enough non-white homosexual people in the data set for statistical significance
user15026
Okay.
user15026
(Then that's a bad data set to draw that conclusion from with how widely people are "applying" it)
user15026
Just saying.
user15026
Anyway.
21:38
i do like a dash of racism in with my cishetsplaining
:D
user15026
I am too generally ready to set a lot of things on fire to discuss this, my apologies. I'm letting my own frustrations and biases into here.
The best splaining
The basic conclusion is that this program is significantly more accurate than humans at distinguishing between heterosexual and homosexual white people based solely on facial features
And that there is good evidence that genetics, hormone exposure, or some other physical process plays a role in sexuality, or at least is correlated with it
user15026
I just keep thinking of the ways people can get extra delicious gatekeeper points with stuff like this and it makes me want to throw up.
user15026
(that and I assume none of these studies if they continue to study this stuff will ever include bi people)
user15026
21:43
(or well, not polar ends of the Kinsey scale people, really)
It's unfortunate, but that will only change when they can get significantly significant representation from those groups.
@Ash i've heard gatekeeper mentioned in these kinds of discussions... what does it mean specifically in these contexts?
@GodEmperorDune I would guess in this context it would be something like "You're not really gay, the classifier says you're straight"
@murgatroid99 ohhhhhhhh
user15026
@GodEmperorDune Basically what @murgatroid99 said. Any sort of "no you don't belong with us, we get to decide it because we are it and you are not it because reasons"
user15026
21:54
like how bi people aren't gay enough for the gay kid table and aren't straight enough for the straight table so we try to make our own table to eat at and then get told WE are awful for not sharing our table
user15026
(sorry, thats kinda dead horse of me, I'm just having mad feels)
yeah i didn't mean to provoke feels, but i understand the term now, thanks
@Ash I know asexual people, and I've heard about similar problems from them
22:09
Hello, I”m Florida. I built a nuclear power plant on a barrier island. https://t.co/ufNUIeffPq
user15026
@murgatroid99 yep, aro/aces tend to get shoved off most tables, it's dumb
@TimStone y u do dis
also why is blind creek beach over there if the fish have 3 eyes?
22:30
A study found that on Twitter, the left and right are generally isolated from each other, with retweets rarely leav… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/905487144160038912
just a reminder that dj khaled has more experience in public school administration than betsy devos https://t.co/t3xvgoVXuq
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha holy shit
@Avery yeah i'm not going to retweet racist memes or opinion masquerading as "alternative fact"
It's also because people on the left are objectively better people
@Avery The responses to this make me a little sad. If you just characterize the other side as "racists", "mysoginists", etc. and don't think past that, you're perpetuating exactly that problem
@GodEmperorDune well same
22:35
This is a proven scientific fact proven with science
@murgatroid99 i listen to reasonable people on the right
I might RT opinions but vv rarely
@GodEmperorDune It seems like the whole point of that paper is that most people don't
actually some of my fave reporters lean right
being right or being left doesn't instantly make you terrible, but the majority of people you hear from on each group actually kinda is usually extreme
22:37
but i'm not going to relay infowars talking points, nor will i relay louise mensch junk
@GodEmperorDune To be fair, I have literally no idea where one would qualify Louise Mensch in this context
@Unionhawk she spouts bullshit that seems to validate politically left dreams of impeachment
@murgatroid99 accurate
@murgatroid99 yes
22:41
@GodEmperorDune but like, nobody on the left believes anything she says ever, it's just people who think HRC was the best possible candidate
Which I guess is left by some standards
She doesn't translate as well as Infowars does as far as craziness=distance from center does, I guess
@Unionhawk she hits the craziness metric for sure
as distance from reality
marshal of the supreme court is equivalent to water turning frogs gay
Right
But everyone left of "HRC would have won" and people with a brain know she's full of shit
Whereas people left of "full fascism now" and people with a brain understand Infowars is full of shit
So I guess it actually does scan
I'm allowed to say that people who believe Infowars or Louise Mensch are dumb right
That's a deviation from "in Ohio on Tuesday"
All of Florida is mandatory evac right
@Unionhawk who told you irma would hit Ohio?
@Unionhawk south florida for sure, i dunno north florida
plus mandatory evac is a mess for disabled people
22:54
@GodEmperorDune idk
@GodEmperorDune oh dear, it's going to go that much inland?
that's creepy.
They usually do
@Avery usual caveats with projections
yeah but like
But it breaks up by Tennessee or so usually
22:54
all projections I saw expected it to die off before it even got to like SC
but once you get to like 30 mph winds that's really not bad in areas used to full on hurricanes and tornados
We got remnants of Ike or something years ago that caused a major windstorm and school closures one year
I'm mostly worried about friends in NC but eh, they'll get hit with not too high speeds if they do get hit anyways so meh.
Yea @ori and @spu are there
Actually no @spu moved to Washington
like, at least quarter of my friends live in NC and that's kinda ironic but meh, there are a ton of stack people there too.
22:58
RIP @spugsley
i think one of the old mods, ravensomething, was in NC
yeah
ravendreams iirc
speaking of which, I never asked what happened to them
@Avery It'll be no more than a category 2 by the time the eye is over Georgia.
I never ever saw them and they aren't that active but they're obviously alive according to post history but they still hold mod position
@Avery sometimes mods do things that are only visible to other mods
ofc
23:07
@GodEmperorDune Classic Florida
23:19
BREAKING: Officials: 5.6 million people have been asked to evacuate Florida ahead of Hurricane Irma.
holy shit
5.6m? damn
user15026
@GodEmperorDune does not like that their husband is in that red bit
@Ash :/ stay safe @ash's hubby
user15026
I mean I know GA is like not nearly at as much risk as FL but my brain doesn't really care so much at the moment
user15026
23:34
And yes I know, that makes me an awful selfish person but I can only handle so much panicking at once, only so much fits in there
user15026
(and considering I am hitting a damn near constant level of "oh hey everything is terrible lets have a constant panic attack" its pretty fun)
it's a pretty big MPH dropoff by the time it hits GA
user15026
nods I nkow
user15026
sorry, I feel like the worst for worrying over that
user15026
like there's so much worse to worry over
23:36
its a prefectly reasonable thing to worry about though
23:51
a fake breach data checker that exists purely to get you to sign away your rights to a class action lawsuit is some… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/906262414135619584
Holy shit
Attention: don't bother checking to see if you're hacked in the Equifax thing, if you're in America you're hacked
we're in the worst timeline
Tbh I thought I was in bridge
I want my money back
The Bridge and This Is Fine start with the same letter
3confuse5me

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