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12:58 AM
Of course that's where he got the idea
 
 
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2:07 AM
@TimStone doesn't that sorta line up with Trump's refusal to corporate with investigations into war crimes by US Soldiers?
not that it makes it better, just that it explains why he hasn't been using it as a comparion to his own investigation. eg "there these good soldiers are being put on trail because of a witch hunt not unlike the one i am dealing with"
 
2:25 AM
McGahn will be held in contempt
 
2:41 AM
there's going to be some, boomer meme tomorrow that's like
"you know who else is in contempt of congress, the freakin american people!"
 
3:36 AM
surprised Farage didn't throw a punch which is what i would have expected. you see another far-right activist starting a punch on when he got milkshaked and Anning punched the kid when he got egged but when Morrison got eggs he didn't really do anything
 
3:57 AM
The mental image of Farage trying to fight is about on par for comedy with the actual image of him being milkshaked
 
@TimStone "What about everyone else?" - fuck'em, their fault for not having rich friends wanting to become president
 
 
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6:47 AM
Tomorrow - WATCH: Trump gets rally crowd to act like lemmings
sometimes you just have to wonder if the people who boo, cheer or chant "lock her up" at his rallies even have any will of their own
 
7:46 AM
@Memor-X I saw some other news that he'd sue the "radical remainer" that did it. Always fun when one sides radicals throw milkshakes... and the other sides radicals murder politicians
Really it's all basically the same thing folks, both sides have a few radicals! rolls eyes
 
 
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@Unionhawk So his life after politics is journalism?
@Memor-X That's an insult to lemmings everywhere
 
12:58 PM
@MBraedley thank god the former white house chief of staff and former mayor of chicago finally has an outlet to express his frustration with American Elites, inequality in general
now he can finally do something about it
 
1:15 PM
@TimStone So question: Is he there as part of his position as senator of Vermont, so it's harder to block him from attending the meeting? Or are the workers naively assuming that the Walmart board is going to let one of the biggest opponents of capitalism into their meeting?
 
@Nzall It's entirely possible he owns shares in Walmart.
 
@MBraedley True, that's also an option
 
walmart is a privately held company
so no this is not an option
I don't know what all the rules are for board meetings of privately held companies but I assume there's something about "you can't just arbitrarily throw someone out"
but maybe there isn't and now the board has to figure out how to navigate that potential PR bomb
 
@Unionhawk isn't it mostly privately held?
As in ye old 50.01%
 
wait hang on
I was under the impression that they were flat out not a publicly traded company but google is calling me dumb
 
1:25 PM
Google sure is mean
 
so I guess I'm dumb
 
Plausible
 
yeah it is in fact just "walton enterprises owns 51%"
and not "it is a privately held company wholly owned by walton enterprises"
traded at NYSE: WMT
101.52 per share, 291.07B market cap, etc
 
Wow!
I can't believe he won, and he sounds.. not bad?
 
2:05 PM
I wonder how much of that will actually go through
 
 
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Therasa may I'd giving a Beexit speech. I'm not currently able to listen to it. Anyone know what she's saying?
 
It's Theresa May, I'm going to go with "nonsense"
 
@Wipqozn we need more time after October
if that is what she says then i get what she's doing, she's a remainer and is just delaying forever so they stay in the EU
or
> I am holding a Referendum on how much Milkshake we will need to create to hit all Brexiters
 
+1 for DC statehood
 
3:49 PM
@TimStone Just to be clear, they're upset that Uber is taking too much of their fare, so they're artificially raising the fare so that Uber makes more money while simultaneously pissing off their customers?
 
4:02 PM
Noted only beneficiaries of surge multipliers, uber
 
I don't know much about how uber and taxi service works, so forgive me if this is a dumb question, but why don't uber drivers just become taxi drivers? Isn't it just really easy for Uber to fuck people over?
 
@HalfEmpty at least in the US there is usually a taxi licensing system and getting licensed (getting a "medallion") can be very, very expensive, c.f. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxi_medallion
 
Oh :/
Are taxi drivers government employees or no
 
@ToxicFrog and there normally a limit on how many licenses can even exist.
 
Ash
@HalfEmpty no?
 
4:09 PM
In effect there is a hard cap on how many taxis can be operating in a city, which is increased very slowly if at all.
 
@Ash Why questionmark?
 
@HalfEmpty no, but the supply of medallions is government-regulated to limit the supply of cabs.
 
Ash
S
 
I am asking because I have no idea if they are city workers or not
 
It's also super easy for virtually every employer to fuck people over but especially contractors
 
4:10 PM
Some cities don't add new ones for years or even decades, and they're essentially either passed down via family or sold for a lot of money.
 
Ash
Because my damn hands don't work today
 
@Ash Misunderstanding, sorry :)
@ToxicFrog uh, why
 
Ash
There we go
 
Wow this sounds really dumb
 
@ToxicFrog medallions is pretty specific to NYC. Taxi service permit or license would be more appropriate.
 
Ash
4:11 PM
Sorry, woke up with stupid hand pain so I am a bit wobbly
 
I have never done any reading on cabbies or anything, which is surprising because my local papers were literally about nothing else a few years ago when uber arrived
 
@MBraedley the term is used in a bunch of other cities as well, but yeah, permit/license is probably a better term.
 
@HalfEmpty Generally no. I don't know of any location where taxi services are run by a municipal government.
 
@HalfEmpty I don't know why, but if I were to guess, I'd guess it's to limit tragedy-of-the-commons congestion caused by swarms of competing cabs; it's open for debate how well this works in practice
 
Possibly traffic control too
Especially in NY for example
 
4:13 PM
That's what I just said?
 
Well cities want to limit supply for any number of reasons, from congestion to air pollution concerns.
 
Oh, I can't read apparently
 
@ToxicFrog Yeah that makes sense I guess
Too many would cause problems
dubai's got flying taxis now
er, not yet apparently
 
Cursory googling claims that another concern was cabbies being able to make a living wage, since pay is per-fare rather than per-hour; so if you have, e.g., 100 fares/day city-wide and a cabbie needs 10 fares/day to eat, having 40 cabbies means coverage is fine but most of them can't actually make enough money to survive.
So capping the number of active cabs prevents a constant boom-bust cycle there.
 
Seems very reasonable
 
4:20 PM
Coming late into this conversation about Uber/Lyft vs Taxis: it is pretty widely understood that Uber's literal business model is in skirting the costs and regulations of normal taxi services.
Some cities have caught on, and are fighting them hard on it
Others have capitulated
 
Ash
In general I find most stuff that can be labelled as gig economy style work is usually trying to get around some rules somewhere
All under the guise of "set your own hours! Choose your work! It will be magical!"
 
Uber has shown, time and time again, that they have no problem with breaking local laws, and are ok with paying the petty fines they seem to get when caught
 
Yeah it's pretty shady. Uber is really convenient for anyone with a cell phone and they're winning because of that regardless
I should see if local cabs have apps
@Ash My former manager at work retired and now drives for uber and loves it
 
Yep, I am somewhat sympathetic to the riders, many of which have benefited greatly (coverage in areas not covered by cabs, etc)
 
@Ash replace usually with always
 
4:24 PM
but I have no sympathy for their business model, nor for their (reportedly atrocious) business practices, nor for the pathetic way they treat their drivers
 
Most of the drivers I've ridden with don't have much good to say about Uber
 
They all have things they do, even advice for riders on how to avoid getting screwed by uber
Pretty messed
 
@Ash Absolutely. Startups might as well say, "We don't care about labor laws! We'll work you into the ground!"
I've also heard that the "wear and tear on your vehicle" invisible cost is catching up to some drivers, and pretty substantially changes the "is this worth it" calculation
Not to mention the "your normal insurance doesn't cover Uber driving, and commercial insurance is too expensive" factor
 
so, everything Uber does is Probably Legal
under labor laws
And everywhere it might not be (there may be wage and hour type stuff) is mitigated through forced individual arbitration
 
4:32 PM
Relevant 2017 Harvard Business Review article: Uber Can’t Be Fixed — It’s Time for Regulators to Shut It Down
> The company’s cultural dysfunction, it seems to me, stems from the very nature of the company’s competitive advantage: Uber’s business model is predicated on lawbreaking. And having grown through intentional illegality, Uber can’t easily pivot toward following the rules.
> Interviews with more than a dozen current and former employees, including several senior executives, describe a widely held view inside the company of the law as something to be tested. Travis Kalanick, the co-founder and former CEO, set up a legal department with that mandate early in his tenure. The approach created a spirit of rule-breaking that has now swamped the company in litigation and federal inquisition
(emphasis mine)
 
Will Probably Be Found To Be Legal then idk
I'm pretty sure it's legal to treat contractors like shit in the United States
But hey it's the system we got why would an employer take a risk hiring someone for real etc
something something, it's the best we have
 
something something?
 
@Unionhawk True, but I don't think the "are Uber drivers contractors or employees" question has been ultimately settled
 
I thought it had been but even if there's another level,
 
4:42 PM
Coach K will find them to be legally actually serving the sentence of a crime and therefore 13th amendment slaves actually somehow
I don't know how they're going to thread that needle but they will
 
@Unionhawk Ah, Kavenaugh. Couldn't figure out who "Coach K" was for a minute there
 
> But nobody has the right to seize a single one of these machines and say, “This is mine; if you want to use it you must pay me a tax on each of your products,” any more than the feudal lord of medieval times had the right to say to the peasant, “This hill, this meadow belong to me, and you must pay me a tax on every sheaf of corn you reap, on every rick you build.”
 
@Unionhawk I prefer "Brad McBeer"
 
@BradC He does that a lot
 
4:50 PM
'angryblacklady'
 
> Justice Brad McBeer. Final answer. I’m writing about him now and I refuse to use his name. I’m writing Justice McBeer and leaving it to my editor to fix.
 
lol?
 
@HalfEmpty She's an awesome and outspoken legal analyst and author, writes for Rewire.News: rewire.news/author/imani-gandy
 
Didn't click through, twitter name is just lol
Ballsy
 
yep. As a black woman with an opinion, she'd be accused of it anyway, might as well lean into it, right?
 
4:53 PM
Uh, sure?
So they just removed twitter oneboxing?
Probably a smart move tbh
 
Not sure if it is removed or just temporarily borken
"borken", I guess that works, too
 
there's an open bug on meta
 
games meta? or SE meta? I wanna go upvote it
 
@Unionhawk thanks, upvoted.
 
5:28 PM
It'll likely never get fixed tbh
 
So, not sure how it works, or what the script actually is, but someone in another chat room made a "bookmarklet" that transforms a twitter link into a pastable chat comment
not even sure I understand what a "bookmarklet" is
 
5:45 PM
@BradC You click it like a bookmark, but it doesn't necessarily open a new page, but instead does something useful, like filling the clipboard with the text of a tweet.
 
@MBraedley Makes sense. But unless I'm misunderstanding, that link just shows someone pasting in the results of their bookmarklet action, I don't see anywhere (on that page anyway) that I can see the script or how it works or use it myself
 
@BradC No, it's not linked in that part of the transcript
And it doesn't look like he's posted it on StackApps either (since he's not a member there)
 
6:31 PM
Ha ha ha... so funny because he'd... probably... no, he'd actually do it if he could... ha ha sob
Keep coming back to: when someone tells you who they are, believe them
 
> "The Department has already begun the process of identifying, locating and reviewing the materials potentially responsive to the categories of documents," Assistant Attorney General Stephen Boyd wrote Tuesday, "a process that will not continue should the Committee take the unnecessary and unproductive step of moving to hold the Attorney General in contempt."
"unnecessary and unproductive"?? Seems like it was pretty necessary and productive to me
 
7:15 PM
> Amy Klobuchar at #StopTheBans rally: "This is not just a coincidence that one state did it and then another state. No this was a plan."
I mean they kind of admitted as much, so, yeah
 
7:26 PM
@TimStone Yep. Its pretty depressing how much more organized far-right efforts have been in the last... 20+ years?
> The recent fusillade of anti-abortion bills is the direct result of decades of Republican scheming—and Democratic neglect. “I can assure you that $100,000 in Alabama in 2018 would’ve gone so far,” says one Democratic donor, “instead of giving Beto more money than he knew what to do with.”
 
Bold of her to say the obvious
 
Ash
I'm surprised someone actually said it out loud
 
last I checked DCCC is currently supporting an anti-abortion candidate right? That may you know, also be part of where they failed.
it's an issue the party has historically been willing to compromise on
which is a problem
 
Yeah but they need him to win a checks notes heavily blue district!!!11
Which like, a particular set of skills, but the sense to figure a Congressperson wasn't asking him about a snack food should probably transcend those boundaries
 
It seems like he must have, at one point, done brain surgery on himself.
 
7:38 PM
@TimStone I love to say "this :clap: is :clap: why :clap: you :clap: need :clap: to :clap: vote :clap: blue :clap: no :clap: matter :clap: who :clap:" and then not actually support the thing you say is the reason to vote for you in any meaningful way
it's cool actually
 
This seemed likely several weeks ago when he did some other dumb thing but just, gl buddy
Someone should ask Mnuchin some basic questions about his job too
 
7:57 PM
@TimStone Tell me again why he wasn't made the head of health and human services (or whatever it's called)? Not that he'd be any better at that, but at least he would have some past experience.
 
Tom Price had more experience doing corruption by voting for pharma initiatives and pseudo-insider trading on them
 
because the only institution of the federal government that actually matters to the people who matter is the chair of the fed
everything else can fall into disrepair and robbery for all anyone cares
 
oh man hud is really struggling maybe we should sell that off to my company
I mean someone else
etc
 
There's also an entirely non-zero chance Trump's criteria for who should run HUD was, you know, racist
House Judiciary Committee has now also subpoenaed Hope Hicks and McGahn's CoS Annie Donaldson
 
8:05 PM
Its not hard to see the pattern of Trump nominating people who will dismantle departments instead of run them. This is, and has always been, the plan
 
 
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9:09 PM
(This is for both documents and testimony)
 
9:37 PM
> Across the country, Republicans in urban areas are more likely to be found in the less-centralized, lower-density neighborhoods. (cc @puzzlepiece87)
Sooo, high-income neighborhoods.
 
@TimStone Oh come on
It's like they did a skit around Ben Carson not knowing things and wanted to really drive the point home except it's real
 
Ash
It's sad when I know what the thing is but the people who are supposed to know do not know
 
You'd think they'd at least prepare with a cheat sheet or something but they just don't care
 
 
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11:29 PM
@Unionhawk Hmm 🤔
 
I feel like they could have paid like, seventeen different beltway guys to write Rahm's piece for presumably half price
 

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