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Memor-X
Memor-X
12:07 AM
@GodEmperorDune VETO!
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
@GodEmperorDune Wait what why would they do this? (I mean, obviously @Ash's answer about why they would want to do this, but I'm still surprised they'd be willing to take this PR hit)
 
Memor-X
Memor-X
@TimStone because Trump's base doesn't give a toss?
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
@TimStone to spend more on charter schools
that's literally it
 
puzzlepiece87
puzzlepiece87
12:22 AM
@Unionhawk Because she owns charter schools and doing so directly enriches her family.
Just wanted to make sure the thoroughline to money and self-enrichment was extremely clear here.
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@TimStone the stated reason is "private donors will pick up the slack"
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
I guess sometime later after Erik Prince is granted a contract to do war crimes in the Middle East we'll find out he was using some of the money he got from looting to donate to the Special Olympics to distract from the fact he was doing war crimes in the Middle East
 
Frank
Frank
12:38 AM
Oh, goody. Articles 11 and 13 passed because they changed the voting order and tricked MEPs
 
ToxicFrog
ToxicFrog
@Frank even if they had voted as they intended it wouldn't have been enough to open voting on amendments
 
Frank
Frank
@ToxicFrog Apparently there were a total of 13 MEPs who wanted to open it for amendments.
 
SaintWacko
SaintWacko
@Frank Where do you see that?
 
Frank
Frank
That sounds like enough, especially when the difference was all of 5.
 
SaintWacko
SaintWacko
@Frank Ah, I see
 
ToxicFrog
ToxicFrog
12:42 AM
@Frank oh, the reporting I saw earlier only mentioned 3
 
Jolenealaska
Jolenealaska
I'm working on a project trying to persuade a Trump supporter to see the light. Would it be annoying if I mused on such a project as I was doing it?
 
puzzlepiece87
puzzlepiece87
@Jolenealaska I'd be interested to hear your musings.
(Which doesn't directly answer your real question but that's all I have for you)
 
Jolenealaska
Jolenealaska
1:00 AM
I'm trying to remove the caul fat that seems to be blinding a friend of mine. He's really not a racist pig. He's just very unintelligent.
He believes every damn thing he sees on the internet, so I am putting together a video just for him.
It's weird that we are friends, but we are. Or at least we were.
We bonded over Game of Thrones. We would watch a scene together, and then I would explain it to him. My explanations would get deeper every time we watched a scene. We've watched season 1 through 7 in their entirety three times that way.
 
Jolenealaska
Jolenealaska
1:17 AM
It seems to come down to a very basic part of his personality, that part that pushes him towards authoritarian leaders. I want to introduce him to two individual studies. The first one has received quite a bit of buzz lately, while the second one is so old I learned about it in junior high, and I'm over 50 years old.
(TL;DR, I'll break it down)
The second study I am trying to explain is the Milgram experiment.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@Jolenealaska Take advantage of this and restrict his Internet habits to extreme left-wing stuff.
@Jolenealaska You might want to be careful about that because the Milgram experiment is pretty controversial, IIRC.
 
Jolenealaska
Jolenealaska
@Yuuki The ethics of it are controversial, the findings really aren't.
One thing that most people don't know is that the subjects (the teachers) were debriefed right away.
Here's an excellent write-up of it:
The second link is related to the "first" point (not Milgram)
This video interviews the author of the above blog:
 
Frank
Frank
1:47 AM
Adam Ruins Everything had a good episode on conspiracy theories.
Studies find that even when theories are debunked, their believers don't stop believing in it.
 
puzzlepiece87
puzzlepiece87
@Frank Love that show, very positive and easygoing and informative.
@Jolenealaska I don't have any compassionate feedback on your tactics or likelihood of success, nor any jokes like @Yuuki, but I do have compassionate feedback for your situation: I'm sorry that Trump has driven a wedge between you and your friend. That's really sad and I hope you're successful in your efforts. Thank you for caring about people and putting effort into their well-being. I appreciate you and what you're doing.
 
Jolenealaska
Jolenealaska
2:03 AM
Thank you. What's really, really heartbreaking about my friend is that he is seriously disabled (he recently lost his leg), he counts on Medicare for health care and Social Security to live. His last name is Hernandez.
He is EXACTLY what Trump is trying to demonize.
(Hernandez is a Latino last name)
I'll support you FOREVER, even as you toss me under society's bus!
 
Memor-X
Memor-X
@Frank i saw that one, thought those kind of people just end up hurting themselves but there was that conspiracy theory how kindergarten teacher being satanic worshipers and how teacher's lives were ruined
 
 
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Nzall
Nzall
10:01 AM
Good god. The EU's ruinous Article 13 got passed because ... some European MEPs accidentally *pushed the wrong* button. As @doctorow says, "It's the Edward Tufte apocalypse. It'd be funny, if it didn't make me want to smash my laptop." Mind: blown -- https://boingboing.net/2019/03/26/jfc-fml-jfc.html
Tweeted by pomeranian99 on March 26, 2019 at 10:34 PM
okay, this is fucked up
 
Memor-X
Memor-X
@Nzall if that's the case and depending on the margin (such as the 5 votes to repeal certain parts) it should be redone
might give the politicians who are now seeing not having a job during their next election a redo
 
Nzall
Nzall
I just realized: do game mods ALSO count as user-generated content? Like, does this mean that Steam will have to verify that all uploaded workshop mods don't contain any copyrighted content, even though this is technically not feasible?
Like, if someone mods Darth Vader into Skyrim or a lightsaber or the portal gun
@Memor-X This might potentially be a way to escape this madness
 
 
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Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
11:45 AM
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
Ford's OSAP Cuts Are A Debt Sentence For Working-Class Students huffingtonpost.ca/eric-gillis/…
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
 
 
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Memor-X
Memor-X
1:08 PM
> The changes we’re making today will impact about 350 roles in our 9,000-person company
yep, spin it so that it reads as if people aren't being affected
and i bet you none of the execs took a hit
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
1:25 PM
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
Black people 6 times more likely to be street checked by Halifax police, report finds
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/street-checks-halifax-police-scot-wortley-racial-profiling-1.5073300
 
MBraedley
MBraedley
@Nzall Yep, from my understanding of it, mods uploaded to the workshop would need screening.
@Wipqozn Not surprised, just disappointed.
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
> The independent report by Scot Wortley, a University of Toronto criminology professor, also found that police in the Halifax region do more street checks than police in Montreal, Vancouver or Ottawa. There were comparable rates in Edmonton and Calgary.
 
Nzall
Nzall
1:57 PM
BREAK: Understand Labour Chief Whip has just told backbenchers they will be whipped to back Beckett/Kyle/Wilson ie a second referendum
Tweeted by PaulBrandITV on March 27, 2019 at 11:55 AM
this day just got a little bit more interesting
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
Umm... 🤔
Not likely
Also I hate to post a shitty spammy 'article' but lol cnn.it/2FBQkb4
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
2:19 PM
Yay.. more shrapnel in LEO
> Washington ended its anti-satellite tests in 1985, citing concerns over the risk of creating large amounts of space debris. A source in India’s foreign ministry said its own test was deliberately conducted in the lower atmosphere “to ensure whatever debris that is generated will decay and fall back onto Earth within weeks”.
Hopefully true
 
SaintWacko
SaintWacko
@MBraedley Oh wow
 
ToxicFrog
ToxicFrog
2:42 PM
@BunsGlazing the satellite they hit was at 300km, which is generally ~1 month from decay without stationkeeping. Small bits of debris will probably have a higher drag/mass ratio and thus deorbit faster, but some of them may be flung into higher orbits by the detonation.
Last time the US did this they hit a satellite at 250km and most of the debris was gone within a month, although it took two years for all of it to reenter.
So it's probably fine, assuming the debris doesn't hit anything else in the meantime.
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
3:42 PM
Feel like I should know more about those mechanics. Ive been thinking about space stuff a lot lately
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
‘This is a warrant.’ ’No it’s not.’ — This citizen stopped ICE from arresting 2 undocumented immigrants because he knew his rights https://t.co/Ypd7N0bcg5
Tweeted by nowthisnews on March 26, 2019 at 10:19 PM
 
MBraedley
MBraedley
Kessler syndrome
The Kessler syndrome (also called the Kessler effect, collisional cascading or ablation cascade), proposed by the NASA scientist Donald J. Kessler in 1978, is a scenario in which the density of objects in low Earth orbit (LEO) is high enough that collisions between objects could cause a cascade where each collision generates space debris that increases the likelihood of further collisions. One implication is that the distribution of debris in orbit could render space activities and the use of satellites in specific orbital ranges impractical for many generations. == Debris generation and...
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
Know your rights: if ICE does not have a warrant signed by a judge, they have no jurisdiction to enter a residence proof search a vehicle. They cannot ask for the identification of anybody in the car except the driver.
If they claim to have a warrant, they are probably lying
Yes they're allowed to do that
and they do it so they can trick people into answering "this is a warrant, may I come in" with "yes"
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
It's not about what a prosecutor thinks it's about what they can prove
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
3:57 PM
> He told WLS that Smollett's case is being scrutinized because of the actor's celebrity status.
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
It's also super interesting that anybody cares this much.
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
I thought they had evidence of it? Don't get me wrong I think 48 years is way way too steep of a potential sentence for what amounted to wasted police time but I think it's important to not have a double standard
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
do you think chicago police would do that? go on tv and tell lies? they'd never
impossible, never happened before
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
Not sure what you're suggesting
Is he continuing to press charges against the attackers
@Unionhawk you mean like that noise about that Maga kid who got harassed by the guy with the drum that was talked about endlessly for a while
@Unionhawk you of all people should understand passionate attention to issues of personal moral and legal concern
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
4:14 PM
@BunsGlazing yeah that thing we literally have video of?
My official position is Obama gave the order. That's clearly what happened here [editor's note: that seems to actually be what the above federalist writer believes]
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
4:44 PM
@Unionhawk What? I was just commenting on the fact that you specifically get very invested in issues that are important to you. This is a good thing. But there are other people who also care about things, so I'm not sure why you are surprised. You also seem to be getting defensive, so I apologize if I said something out of order
@Unionhawk I don't know who this guy is, but agree
@Unionhawk right, but why did people care so much?
Also, why did the judges block the evidence from being made public? Not mentioned in the video, just wondering
ohhh that's the mayor
Nice
@McAllisterDen Conservative here. A wealthy man walking on a case where he forfeited his bond is not the same thing as unarmed men being shot under highly dubious circumstances. It should bother all Americans that these men die simply because the officers “think” they’re threatened.
Tweeted by BradWyatt88 on March 26, 2019 at 5:10 PM in reply to McAllisterDen
Did somebody conflate them...?
Man I do not keep up on twitter
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
@BunsGlazing did you just gloss over the text of the post or
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
@Unionhawk What? The tweet I shared?
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
Look at the text of what he's replying to
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
Text of what post. Didn't know what the poster of the video meant about black lives matter but it seemed snarky so I just watched the video and didn't pay much attention
I don't get what she's saying
or what BLM has to do with this case, I should say
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
She's saying racism in the criminal legal system is fake, and the movement that got a big kickstart because of the police shooting of Michael Brown in 2014 should shut up because of that
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
4:57 PM
lol DC McAllister
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
@Unionhawk Alright well why did you share it then?
Anyway, I agree with the dude in the video about like everything he said
Don't care about the tweeter
Also still not understanding why you sent me that as a response about caring about issues
Are you like intentionally being indirect or am I just missing something
I think it's more about positional privilege and less about race
to be honest I don't think jailtime is appropriate for a hoax anyway
especially not 48 years??
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
do you think it's possible that race plays a factor in why so many on the right who are normally in the "paul manafort shouldn't be in jail he's an old man and a white collar criminal" camp care so much yes or no
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
Sorry, I was talking about the fact that he walked away, the case itself
I can't keep track of this conversation any more dude
Don't know who paul manafort is
I'm just talking about jussie smollett
1 hour ago, by Unionhawk
It's not about what a prosecutor thinks it's about what they can prove
People care about stuff that they hold dear to themselves
Does that answer your question
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@BunsGlazing His point is that the reason certain people care so much about this case is because they think minorities, especially African Americans, are just lying when they say they're treated unfairly by the legal system.
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
Who said that?
Plus, what do you mean unfairly, he got away scot free... how is that unfair?
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
5:06 PM
To those people this whole case is just proof that minorities make this stuff up
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
Well, in this case, the cops, directly, but
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
Who cares about fringe idiots
@Unionhawk Where?
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
@BunsGlazing it was literally what they charged him with
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
@Unionhawk Him or 'minorities'?
@Wipqozn This guy said that the accused guy lied.
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
5:08 PM
@BunsGlazing They're not fringe idiots, they're the people running the country.
 
Buns Glazing
Buns Glazing
I think we've lost track of what I was trying to discuss so I'm just going to leave you guys with your fully formed opinions and wish you a good day
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
5:56 PM
Theresa May tells Conservative MPs she will not remain as UK PM for the next phase of #Brexit negotiations Live updates http://bbc.in/2FFIr4y
Tweeted by BBCBreaking on March 27, 2019 at 5:35 PM
lol
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
6:14 PM
@Unionhawk Well that's good then
 
Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist
so, what's the worst possible outcome of today's vote?
 
MBraedley
MBraedley
@MadScientist probably proceed with no deal
(although I haven't been looking into it that much)
 
Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist
hmm, maybe I should think about the dumbest possible outcome, as that has been usually what happened in recent times
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
The dumbest possible outcome is all votes fail to pass
 
MBraedley
MBraedley
@MadScientist They're one in the same here
 
Mad Scientist
Mad Scientist
6:20 PM
@Unionhawk that sounds like a quite plausible outcome
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
Yes
I think in addition to that, the dumbest outcome includes a failed vote on second referendum with all of the lib dems and labour (the labour whip said they'd start to push for it) but lib dem psychos blame labour for it anyway even though they did everything they could
wait those two parties may constitute a majority? I don't know now
 
 
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Unionhawk
Unionhawk
9:14 PM
as expected, james alex fields has changed his plea from not guilty to guilty on 29 federal hate crime charges - one for the murder of heather heyer and 28 counts for injuring or attempting to injure 28 living victims, because of their race, ethnicity or nation of origin.
Tweeted by socialistdogmom on March 27, 2019 at 8:55 PM
(in exchange for this plea, the 30th charge, which carried the possibility of the death penalty, was dropped)
 
Memor-X
Memor-X
9:28 PM
JUST IN: NRA to oppose Violence Against Women Act: report http://hill.cm/Yn2PFq7
Tweeted by thehill on March 27, 2019 at 9:19 PM
> The NRA's opposition reportedly stems from so-called "red-flag" provisions that seek to prevent people who have committed domestic abuse from obtaining firearms. Republican lawmakers discussed asking the NRA to oppose the bill to give them political cover vote against it, according to National Journal.
so the GOP wants to vote against it but because they don't have spines they want the NRA to vote against it so they don't have the heat put on them
 
Nzall
Nzall
Can't wait for 2024 when AOC is old enough to run
She turns 30 this year, so by 2024 she's 35 and can run for President
Although that would most likely mean Trump got his second term
since the Dems most likely aren't going to allow any same-faction candidates
@Unionhawk is AOC part of the DSA movement?
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
she is a member and had a lot of support from NYC DSA
during her campaign
 
 
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GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
10:40 PM
BREAKING: Seagrams heiress Clare Bronfman faints in court after judge seems to suggest that Michael Avenatti was secretly representing her, trying to negotiate deal with US attorney’s office in NXIVM case. An ambulance has been called.
Tweeted by Emily_Saul_ on March 27, 2019 at 8:02 PM
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
…What the hell?
 
GodEmperorDune
GodEmperorDune
@Nzall it's not a matter of dems not allowing same faction candidates as incumbent presidents being incredibly likely (but not guaranteed) to win the primary
@TimStone naughty avenatti is involved in all the crimes
Bronfman’s “faint” happened after a prolonged sidebar, which was called after the judge asked her “did she retain Mr. Avenatti to represent her in this case? Yes or no?”
Tweeted by Emily_Saul_ on March 27, 2019 at 8:27 PM in reply to Emily_Saul_
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
I didn't even know she had been arrested
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
11:38 PM
UK Parliament says no to every alternative.
Tweeted by nycsouthpaw on March 27, 2019 at 9:45 PM
 
Frank
Frank
@Unionhawk So...say screw it and just repeal Article 50?
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
That's kind of what the first option was, I think
 
user15026
@Unionhawk so...what's left?
 
Unionhawk
Unionhawk
my guess is it defaults to no deal
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Time to introduce First Past the Moving Goalpost, wherein you just keep reducing the threshold until one of the votes passes. Second referendum it is!
I would like to retable my recommendation that a vote be held to cancel Nigel Farage
 
Frank
Frank
11:51 PM
@Unionhawk Which was the one with the most No votes.
 
Memor-X
Memor-X
@murgatroid99 no the first one is "have a vote to make sure everyone still wants this and repeal if enough people want to stay"
which to say who knows what the options will be on a confirmatory referendum
 
Frank
Frank
I'd say if nobody can make a choice, then what has everyone been working towards these last few years?
 
Memor-X
Memor-X
@Frank *throws hands up in the air* fuck all
 
Frank
Frank
Have the spine to own it and just back out of Brexit entirely.
 
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
@Memor-X That seems like the closest thing to reversing it that they're actually going to vote on
 
Memor-X
Memor-X
11:59 PM
yeh but the problem lies with the choices because would it be

- Stay or No Deal Brexit
- Stay or May's Deal Brexit
- No Deal Bexit or May's Deal Brexit
- do more than 2 options to further split the vote
 

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