This Is Fine

Telecom customers face 'unacceptable' harm from misleading sales tactics, CRTC says
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/crtc-report-aggressive-misleading-sales-tactics-1.5026205

'We believe in you,' Scheer tells controversial pro-pipeline movement
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/truck-convoy-red-deer-ottawa-arnprior-1.5024229

> One sign on a convoy truck parked near Parliament said NO to "UN/globalism, carbon tax, tanker ban, dirty foreign oil, open borders" and YES to "(Charging) Trudeau with treason, Energy East, yes to pipelines, (looking) after veterans, photo ID & Canadian citizenship to vote."

I'm so excited for the next election. It's not going to be horrifying at all.

Frank

2:17 AM

> Telus said it is still reviewing the report and wrote, "We are disappointed that the CRTC did not differentiate between those carriers who appear to … engage in these aggressive and misleading sales practices and those, like Telus, who do not."

Yep. Uh huh.

@Memor-X uhhhh wtf

@Frank lol sure m8

@Wipqozn trudeau with treason? is this over the scandal with the AG?

@GodEmperorDune lol no. It's because of his push for higher migration and implementing a carbon tax.

This is the CAnadian yellow vests movement, although renamed

@Wipqozn how is that treasonous?

@GodEmperorDune shrug

also photo ID to vote is such bullshit, i hope yall can resist that

Section 3 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

2:29 AM

@GodEmperorDune I don't think it'll happen. I'm pretty sure it would get shut down in the courts.

The PC party or the maxine party are the only ones who'd even try it

Although there's a very real chance the PC will win the next election

but still, courts would likely shut it down if they even tried.

Because it would be a huge change against what Canada currently does, and I think it's current regulation are part of Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom

Although maybe not

Section 3 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a section that constitutionally guarantees Canadian citizens the democratic right to vote in a general federal or provincial election and the right to be eligible for membership in the House of Commons or of a provincial legislative assembly, subject to the requirements of Section 1 of the Charter. Federal judges, prisoners and those in mental institutions have gained the franchise as a result of this provision, whereas the restriction on minors voting was found to be permissible due to section 1. Section 3 is one of the provisions in...

> Every citizen of Canada has the right to vote in an election of the members of the House of Commons or of a legislative assembly and to be qualified for membership therein.

justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art3.html

> A failure on the part of governments to take positive action to put in place appropriate mechanisms to enable citizens to exercise their right to vote (for example, absentee ballots) may also restrict section 3 (Re Hoogbruin and Attorney General of British Columbia (1985), 24 D.L.R. (4th) 718 (B.C.C.A.); Henry v. Canada (Attorney General), 2010 BCSC 610, at paragraphs 140-141 and 189).

That's interesting, didn't know that, but I like it. IF the government makes it too hard to vote, then they could be in violation of section 3. Interesting. That would certainly apply to forcing photo ID.

user15026

2:58 AM

@Wipqozn fucking potato goddamn it Scheer

lol "pro-pipeline movement" as if it's more than just fuckin, the oil companies

Memor-X

3:10 AM

At least 49 killed as huge fire rips through Bangladeshi capital of Dhaka http://bit.ly/2NgEmpl

Tweeted by SBSNews on February 21, 2019 at 1:44 AM

3:58 AM

I preemptively laughed at him representing himself earlier but wat:

Big development in North Carolina 9. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/candidates-son-warned-father-of-nc-political-operatives-tactics/2019/02/20/a1fbfecc-3521-11e9-a400-e481bf264fdc_story.html

Tweeted by KFILE on February 21, 2019 at 3:55 AM

"I told my dad not to do it" seems like a poor defense for Harris

Memor-X

Pope Francis has labelled Catholic church critics ‘friends of the devil’, as the Vatican begins their summit on child abuse. https://t.co/nhZ1DyFNOi

Tweeted by SBSNews on February 21, 2019 at 3:04 AM

4:27 AM

@Memor-X goddammit i was rooting for you, we were all rooting for you

@TimStone looks like someone did the RICO

fredley

8:16 AM

America.

Tweeted by JebBush on February 16, 2016 at 9:27 PM

Kevin

12:15 PM

@GodEmperorDune Nope, I definitely wasn't rooting for any catholic official

Nzall

Advertisers are withdrawing from Youtube after Youtuber unveiled scandal involving pedophiles leaving lewd comments on minors doing physical activities

Memor-X

@Nzall yeh posted and discussed a few hours ago, i think @murgatroid99?

from the videos i watch reporting on it, it seems to be just about any video which gets the comments, not the ones that are skirting the line

^ not just the ones

thisisinsider.com/…

2:04 PM

rubs eyes

Oh come on, it's too early for this

I want 5G, and even 6G, technology in the United States as soon as possible. It is far more powerful, faster, and smarter than the current standard. American companies must step up their efforts, or get left behind. There is no reason that we should be lagging behind on.........

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on February 21, 2019 at 1:55 PM

user15026

@TimStone Hahaha 6G Hahaha (also I don't expect him to understand how complicated 5G consistency and coverage is but... Yeah it's not simple)

user15026

@BunsGlazing if he did make it all up, this really sucks for the people who do actually suffer at the hands of assholes

Yeah. I've heard some fucked up cases from my girlfriend about people who have spent years in jail because of false accusations

@TimStone There isn't even a draft for 6G yet. Nevermind the limitations of 5G (range is an issue, so it's really expensive to deploy to rural areas), or that it's as much on consumers and corporate end users to upgrade as it is for telecoms.

@TimStone come on man is this really news lol

2:15 PM

@MBraedley I'm just assuming he made 6G up without having that frame of reference

I'm also curious what prompted him to go off about this

user15026

I am curious why he is suddenly like we need this thing yeah because if America is like Canada there are giant swaths of it with little to no non-dialup or expensive cellular data options

user15026

Which if again you are like us, people don't give a flying fuck about because oh whatever rural people you chose to live in bumfuck wherever

user15026

(that and...even fixed point wireless gets tricky in places because of trees/terrain/etc)

user15026

(sorry, rural internet is like...my every day)

@Ash There are good reasons for the US (in particular) to not be left behind when 5G is rolled out, as it's considered to be an innovation enabler.

2:30 PM

It's funny because the FCC commissioner actually wants to get ISPs out of their commitment to bring broadband to rural areas by letting them just provide wireless service

There's good evidence that Silicon Valley innovation rode the wave of 4G roll-out, because the US was among the first to deploy 4G.

Excuse me, excuse me... *adjusts tie* ... your subpoena did not cover smoking guns.

Tweeted by nycsouthpaw on February 21, 2019 at 2:30 PM

@MBraedley otoh though a lot of 5G stuff now is extremely fake. Like, AT&T iPhones (I think?) now display "5G E" instead of "LTE" even though this is completely meaningless.

@Unionhawk Yup, and not just iPhones

lmao

2:39 PM

Right, so arguably if you wanted to encourage innovation you'd punish the bad actors but lol

I mean fuck it why not just call LTE 6G who cares

the FCC? the FTC? the IRS? no

speaking of the IRS they accepted my return immediately which woo I'm not in the set of people who owe this year but didn't last year

@Unionhawk I don't mean to nitpick, but why would the IRS care either way?

@MBraedley I just wanted to name a third unrelated government agency at random

Should have gone with SEC

or a four letter one like the CPSC

(the people in charge of lighting christmas trees on fire and knocking over drawers to tell people to water their dang trees and secure their dang dressers)

2:46 PM

Nah, obviously the Coast Guards should get involved

EXCLUSIVE: Trump's White House is forcing interns to sign NDAs and threatening them with financial ruin https://trib.al/HUaRGRL

Tweeted by thedailybeast on February 21, 2019 at 1:20 PM

Before his inauguration, officials on President Trump's inaugural committee sounded alarms about budgets submitted by several vendors https://on.wsj.com/2SUK6eR

Tweeted by WSJ on February 21, 2019 at 2:20 PM

@BradC Is this a case of "Why would I spend $10,000 when I can spend $50,000"?

@MBraedley Perhaps; I can't read the full article (paywall), so I can't tell if this is painting the committee in a positive light, as being concerned about costs, or what exactly

Obama's presidential library will not be a library at all; but rather a privately-funded museum and "center for citizenship." His papers will instead be digitized and there will be no archivists on site to help professional researchers and historians. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/20/arts/obama-presidential-center-library-national-archives-and-records-administration.html

Tweeted by ByronTau on February 21, 2019 at 2:20 PM

Refreshing to have a different president doing something bad for on…wait, hrm 🤔

What on earth is a center for citizenship?

3:01 PM

It's a big private development in chicago with no meaningful CBA

Canadian Museum of Immigration at Pier 21

The Canadian Museum of Immigration at Pier 21, in Halifax, Nova Scotia, is Canada's national museum of immigration. The museum occupies part of Pier 21, the former ocean liner terminal and immigration shed from 1928 to 1971. Pier 21 is Canada's last remaining ocean immigration shed. The facility is often compared to Ellis Island (1892-1954), in terms of its importance to mid-20th century immigration to Canada an association it shares with 19th century immigration history at Grosse Isle, Quebec (1832-1932) and Partridge Island in Saint John, New Brunswick (1785-1941). The Museum began as an ...

As an example

@TimStone his connection probably went down on his phone for a bit

lol

3:17 PM

@MBraedley Actually, the "end of the first amendment as we know it" is probably an accurate way to describe Thomas' apparent willingness to reconsider NY Times v. Sullivan

Sullivan is probably our most important precedent with regard to freedom of the press in the US

@Wipqozn These are the same grounds a lawsuit against photo ID voting requirements in Missouri have been allowed to proceed.

A Marvel Hero Copes With Bipolar Disorder

Overturning it would be Trump's wet dream, he could follow through with all his authoritarian threats to sue the press for libel for stories he doesn't like

The current high standard for libel (for public figures) is based on Sullivan; overturning it could make Libel law in the US more like it is in the UK

(ie, not good for freedom of press and freedom of speech)

@BradC I thought I had remembered another important case but Zenger was before the Revolutionary War so whoops.

2.7 million medical calls breached in Sweden, and it's pure comedy

3:23 PM

@Yuuki Here's an annoying one-item-per-page article about other important cases relating to the press: 10 Most Important U.S. Supreme Court Cases for Journalists

> I will collect my favorite quotes from involved parties in this debacle as I come across them because this is comedy gold. The stupidity is mind-numbing.

This is so good

@Ash Can confirm, was at a bachelor party in Southern Missouri where watching one football game on the house internet exceeded the monthly data cap and got them kicked down to a lower speed.

@Yuuki Looks like Zenger is still considered very important; despite its age. It established "truth as a defense against libel" as a concept

@BradC My point was that there's more to the First Amendment than just freedom of the press, and those other parts will be largely unaffected. I'm also not a free speech maximalist, which colours my opinion in cases like this.

@MBraedley Well, sure, this has nothing to do with the "Freedom of Religion" or "Freedom of Assembly" portions of the 1st Amendment, for example

3:30 PM

@BradC Yeah but "truth as libel defense" was mostly enacted through legislation, not legal precedent, so I'm not sure how much the Supreme Court can affect that.

I suppose they technically could with a proper case.

if anyone can find a way clarence thomas is probably your guy

@BradC But free speech isn't just freedom of the press. It's a whole lot of other speech, which again will be largely unaffected.

Again though, I feel like Actual Malice is an important standard in stopping SLAPPs. If like, elon musk or someone doesn't have to prove malice, then he's got a better chance at winning, and therefore may be more likely to pursue legal action against critics

Also don't think that I support Trump or Clarence doing this, because I don't. However, hyperbolic language, even in an Op-Ed does nobody any good.

it only legally falls under anti-SLAPP penalties if you lose

3:34 PM

@MBraedley Right. No argument there. But in context, the article is clearly saying "this would be a fundamental and detrimental change to press freedoms in the US, which is (an aspect of) the 1st Amendment"

incidentally, I have a feeling that it's going to be fuckin covcath v washington post etc that brings this up and I hate it

Related to the YouTube stuff yesterday,

"When Ellen, an 11-year-old, finally decided to Google herself, she didn’t expect to find anything.... She was stunned when she found years of swim scores and sports statistics on the web.... https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/02/when-kids-realize-their-whole-life-already-online/582916/?utm_term=2019-02-20T12%3A00%3A07&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=edit-promo

Tweeted by eveewing on February 21, 2019 at 6:18 AM

I have decided, though, that there are way too many "shrug gifs" on the web, and each one conveys a subtly different emotion:

chat is only smart enough to pick up on actual image files

@BradC But it frames it, at least at the start, as this one change to the protections of the press endangers the entire first amendment, which is just wrong. I'm sure the author clears that up later in the article, but it was too sensational at that point for me to continue reading.

3:39 PM

@TimStone This is why I don't go outside.

Mostly /s but who knows.

I likewise feel like 🤷‍♂️ conveys a distinct emotion from ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@BradC That's a different one from the one had in a text link.

@Yuuki yeah, changed it until I found one that auto-displayed

@TimStone Really, 🤔 is an all-purpose emoji.

3:41 PM

@Unionhawk Stick a ! in front of a URL if it doesn’t end with an image extension like .gif to force chat to show it as an image

Here's a (30-minute) podcast episode from a pair of attorneys describing how monumental it would be to overturn Sullivan:

Boom! Lawyered: Clarence Thomas Wants to Blow Up Defamation Law

@TimStone Maybe I'm weird and the article highlights an important issue generally but some anecdotes in that story make me react, "Yeah, and...?"

Kid "horrified" another adult knew they had a new puppy - even pre-Internet, welcome to the Mom Network, kid.

And swim leagues have been posting results to their websites since I did swimming 20 years ago. Protip, if the NBA can do it, so can your swim league. You also know where LeBron James is located.

I mean, none of that makes it good, though?

So I think, even taking the story as is, the hidden subtext of it is: "children continually learning to assess new risks and that living life means accepting things are largely out of your control"

@TimStone It depends. Winning a swim scholarship because you participated in a league with documented results is good.

ha

3:51 PM

Not that kids get to pick where they grow up, but this is just part of living life in visible locations and activities instead of bumfuck wherever as Ash said.

Viewers Starting To Doubt Objectivity Of Reporter With ‘KAMALA 2020’ Face Tattoo

(parody, I assume)

There's opportunities and risks that come with that. There's opportunities and risks that come with going out and there's opportunities and risks that come with staying home.

It's not necessary for that information to be widely available, though. I think there's a problem in that parents think "Oh, only my circle will be interested in this content I post" often but then we have this paedophile ring on YouTube that thinks otherwise

I mean pedophiles gonna pedophile. If it's not on Youtube they'll do it locally. It's scary and bad, but it doesn't go away if you eliminate the Internet. It happened before too.

yep, definitely parody. Here's an older link relevant to the sub: 'Everything Is Fine,' Reports Trump From Flaming Ruins Of White House

3:53 PM

The internet is bad when it allows people of bad intentions to group up and talk though.

But it's not bad because we've chosen not to go full out Drake Equation, "let's listen but not send" on it.

I think that would be an improper assessment of risk, for most people. If you're especially likely to be targeted, your risk assessment is different.

Just like I personally don't take my computer or cell phone to China because I don't want a totalitarian government to pwn it so easily, lots of peoples' assessment of that risk is, shrug "I'd rather not go without for two weeks"

Their assessment isn't wrong even though it's different than mine.

Kids can't consent, but they do (often) choose to participate in public-facing activities.

I think the scope is significantly different and people fail to appreciate that when posting something online

Not everything needs to be online, but you also don't need to be in an organized soccer league if you just want to play for fun. I would say most people in the league do want it to be online.

@TimStone Definitely. And that's sheer probability math, right?

Like, let's assume the risk is equal for every stranger regardless of distance.

So instead of doing 0.99^10,000 you're doing 0.99^100,000,000 or whatever

So that's important. But I don't think it's fair to just say that everyone is oblivious to the increased risk. I think it's more fair generally to say that they have weighed it and still think the cost-benefit is there for them.

@TimStone How about this, I'll agree with you that it would be nice if, for Municipal Swim League #8337 or whatever, you could opt-in on having your personal name attached to your results instead of just an ID number.

It could be on your participation forms you sign at the start of the year.

I'm not super concerned about it on the localized level, I think the issue is the ease with which all of these things can be aggregated now, which I would argue was significantly harder to do previously.

This doesn't do anything about the puppy example. If you're living a life in a community, people are going to know and talk about you.

That's true, though the public nature of the reveal of that information might have influenced the way it was brought up?

4:03 PM

@TimStone Completely agree with you there. I do think recognizing the massively higher magnitude of the exponent on the risk calculation is important and people should think about that.

(not guaranteed, but "Your mom said you got a puppy" vs "I saw you got a puppy" can be received differently)

@TimStone Well said - it's always good to have tact and know your audience regardless of circumstance.

I think also that these can be good conversation starters in general. When I discovered the Mom Network growing up, I definitely had conversations with my mom about what I'd like to keep private.

I think getting introduced to the concept of privacy and beginning to exert your own control over it is a valuable introduction and skill for anyone.

Right. So I don't think all of the information is problematic or unique but I understand the level of shock and think we should be more aware of the implications, at any rate

Having the internet as an additional context for that discussion is an important part of modern life.

@TimStone Well said, 100% agree.

@TimStone I'm definitely more clear on your feelings than before. It is my understanding now and then that you think it would be much better, for example, if parents didn't directly include their kids in social media posts and instead let the kids be in charge of their own social media presence when they are ready. I 100% agree with that.

Pretty much, yeah. I'm certainly guilty of that myself, I'm sure, but by the same token I wouldn't be any worse off if I hadn't been

4:09 PM

I also thought then that you felt that, for example, a public sports league has an obligation to take strong privacy-shielding actions on behalf of their child participants simply because you felt that the risk substantially outweighed the benefit. I don't necessarily agree with that but I think now that you don't necessarily agree either. Not that we had to agree, but you helped clarify how you felt to me, I think.

The mommy blogger example is weird to me, where she insists she needs to do it. Get a diary, or something? :/

The most obvious benefit for putting it out there for everyone is attention, but that feels like a super gross motivation!

@TimStone Lol that mom needs to dial it down for sure. Adults recognize that their actions or expressions of self, if she wants to put it that way, also have impacts on others and need to be moderated.

@puzzlepiece87 Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to them offering choices or otherwise making information like that slightly more protected than a public page (i.e. a login, or whatever), but I don't see a benefit of going on a crusade for it either

Changing mommy blogger to mom since mommy blogger is often used as a pejorative not to take women seriously online.

@TimStone Same, and I'm definitely all for giving people individualized choices about that information as well. Not everyone is trying to win a sports scholarship or share play-by-plays with grandma.

@puzzlepiece87 Ah, fair. I just recalled the term from the article but I hadn't considered that

4:15 PM

@TimStone Yup indeed the article definitely used it and I knew you were quoting the article. If it's been reclaimed or whatever, great. I just am still familiar with it personally in the context of men write about srs bsns and women write about frivolities so if that's the context nowadays as well I wish the article hadn't used it.

@TimStone Thanks for the discussion, I enjoyed it and you made me think and learn :)

In that case I'm sorry to follow up by saying that Trump has a Smollett take, sigh :P

@TimStone We could only hold off the dumb of the world for so long - discussing it is practically the topic of this room :P

CPD reportedly have a physical check with which Smollett paid the brothers, which is...just don't do that. Trump says his claims were "racist and dangerous" which, buddy

Both the President and Vice President will be out of the country at the same time

Tweeted by JonLemire on February 21, 2019 at 3:24 PM

mods asleep do crimes

I'll add to the dumb pile by pointing out that Trump's approval ratings are not only back to pre-shutdown levels, but as high as they've been since his honeymoon period wore off.

Because nothing matters.

Take notes Cuck Schumer you can fight for stuff and people will have forgotten you inconvenienced them with actually taking a stand a month later.

Japan's prime minister nominated President Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize — at the request of the White House — one of Japan's largest newspapers reported. https://on.msnbc.com/2SP81w4

Tweeted by MSNBC on February 20, 2019 at 12:28 PM

lmao

If indeed true, and like, come on, it would certainly explain why Abe was elusive on questions about this given that the answer was quite dumb

4:25 PM

I'm disappointed but I suppose unsurprised that my quick scroll through the MSNBC replies there didn't yield one "imma keep it real with you 57th prime minister of japan shinzo abe"

@TimStone The funny thing is a lot of the takes on this and the YouTube story mirror the ones from this Onion video, minus the pedophile angle (because even the Onion won’t go that far) theonion.com/…

@TimStone oh dammit

@TimStone everybody knows you use cash when doing crimes

@TimStone He nominated a man who can’t even pronounce his name right

Town says it's 'taken action' after marshal's encounter with young journalist https://www.nogalesinternational.com/news/town-says-it-s-taken-action-after-marshal-s-encounter/article_c1192514-3585-11e9-87f1-7ba359bd40fc.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

Tweeted by orangestreetnew on February 21, 2019 at 12:47 PM

@GodEmperorDune Right? Or at least sighs, rubs temples Bitcoins

Basically anything that doesn't literally have your signature on it

I honestly don’t know if I should respect Abe for knowing exactly which of Trump’s buttons to press, or disgusted at how easy it is for him to sell out

4:33 PM

We are their second largest trading partner so I guess you gotta play the odds

why not both?

thankfully the nobel committee is not ridiculous enough to actually give trump a prize

yeah they'd never give a commander in chief such an award

@Unionhawk going by obama's example, the dem president after trump will also get an award for not being trump... provided they too hold off on too many drone strikes until after the first year

> Lawyer for Covington Catholic student says Bill Maher made "defamatory" statements

I mean it's a really good thing Bill Maher isn't the Washington Post and also are we really doing this again? By all means, cancel Bill Maher. Literally no one cares

4:41 PM

@TimStone covcath can go in the sea but so can bill maher so i dunno who i want to win this one

"Hahah we're gonna get Bill Maher"
"Okay good hurry up?"

@Kevin 404 missing refrance

@TimStone This is EXACTLY why Trump and his cohorts want to overturn Sullivan; lawsuits like this against media outlets for factual stories would become commonplace

@TimStone oh no please sir not my favorite islamophobe on HBO

4:57 PM

In a bit of tech news it seems Travis CI is laying off massive amounts of staff?

They were recently acquired, which I assume is related

> natesilver: Gabbard and Obama both have the Hawaii thing going on. Is she the new Obama?

No, just stop.

@puzzlepiece87 lmao

when you're a smart politics man

what the hell

Is...is it a satirical article?

Or is that just a chat?

Is it a joke?

@TimStone For the sake of my brain I hope so

Petition calls for U.S. to sell Montana to Canada beta.ctvnews.ca/national/canada/2019/2/21/1_4306271.html

5:13 PM

@TimStone The 538 Article that came from is a casual group chat about which of the 2020 candidates, if any, can capture the kind of support that Obama did; what that means, etc.

Clearly that line is tongue-in-cheek

@puzzlepiece87 Obama's still alive and hasn't been out of office very long.

"outsider" vs "party candidate", policy positioning, what groups various candidates have strong support in, etc

Dude's not dead.

... I should go get some caffeine.

what the f are you guys talking about? Nobody said Obama is dead

But he's clearly not running for higher office anymore. And "can any of the 2020 candidates get "obama-ish" support" is a legitimate question

Or even more broadly, "why was Obama successful (as a candidate), and is that even a viable strategy for 2020?"

An interview with Max Boot on Elliot Abrams

5:25 PM

Too many good Obama gifs!

(an extremely good interview because the whole thing is like "according to the united nations, state actors did the thing" "well, I mean,")

in conclusion genocide is a land of contrasts - maximum boot 2019

This story has everything: racketeering charges, polygamist Mormons, a Mueller witness, and a collapsing Turkish airline. https://www.courthousenews.com/airline-intrigue-with-mueller-tie-lands-in-us-court/

Tweeted by russellbrandom on February 21, 2019 at 5:27 PM

@TimStone It's a throwaway line in a chat but it's very dumb even for that purpose.

They were debating who is the most Obama-y candidate in the 2020 Democratic primary field.

Ah, okay. It's silly but I get it now

@Yuuki Indeed, they're talking about who will pick up his mantle as a Presidential candidate.

5:37 PM

elizabeth warren, for the record, is about as obama 2.0 as it gets, I think

@Unionhawk I'm waiting to see how much of a coalition she can build outside of Bernie bros unfortunately.

Though Obama 2.0 means a lot of things, so that may not be the aspect you are thinking of.

candidate who thinks capitalism just needs to be nicer and we need to reign in the banks

is where I come at it

I am, at this moment, thinking of broad appeal.

@Unionhawk Ah then I agree with you 100%.

Under the leadership of Hon'ble PM Sri @narendramodi ji, Our Govt. has decided to stop our share of water which used to flow to Pakistan. We will divert water from Eastern rivers and supply it to our people in Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab.

Tweeted by nitin_gadkari on February 21, 2019 at 12:56 PM

I could be enthusiastic about a candidate who wants Warren's economic reforms as long as they also push Medicare for All hard.

5:41 PM

@TimStone Welp, this seems like a pretty large scale use of water access as a weapon

Venezuela's Nicolas Maduro closes border with Brazil https://bloom.bg/2E52Opt

Tweeted by business on February 21, 2019 at 5:35 PM

Trump will meet one-on-one with Kim Jong Un next week in addition to a meal and lengthier negotiations with aides, officials say https://bloom.bg/2E0XfbN

Tweeted by business on February 21, 2019 at 4:46 PM

@BradC I mean glances at the list of nations that support the coup yeah that checks out

How about we never allow Trump to meet alone with a foreign leader, ever.

(Without someone else there who can tell us later what was said)

I'm not too worried about him meeting with Kim Jong Un, it's just really dumb and Trump will continue to hear what he wants to hear even though that's not what's actually said. But it's still preferable from him starting a nuclear war so there's that

@TimStone He doesn't accept US intelligence agencies' best understanding of NK nuclear capabilities. He literally said he believed Putin instead.

So no, I don't accept that these meetings will be benign at worst

At worst, he will give away US secrets

At worst, he will give US concessions for NK promises they have no intention to deliver

At worst... well, he's just the worst.

5:52 PM

Climate threat doubter leads effort to advise Trump on 'climate security' cbc.ca/news/technology/climate-william-happer-trump-1.4927744

> William Happer thinks extra CO2 is good and has been demonized like 'the poor Jews under Hitler'

@Wipqozn 🤔

climate security is just border security tbh

that's their climate plan

NBC News: Republican candidate's son shakes up North Carolina hearing with surprise testimony

> The son of Republican congressional candidate Mark Harris testified before the North Carolina State Board of Elections on Wednesday, saying that he warned his father about the illegal tactics of a political operative that Harris had hired and casting doubt on Harris' insistence that he had no knowledge of fraudulent election activity in last year's election

@Unionhawk We'll construct a sky wall to block out the sun. Wait, that sounds familiar...

ah yes that famous simpsons episode "who shot donald trump (part 1)"

5:57 PM

But uh, not her husband?

And also why exactly is Extra paying Sean Spicer

to go around interviewing these Administration officials in their houses, but also just generally

The Omaha, NE chapter of TPUSA has put out a statement denouncing Candace Owens, apparently

Do uh, do groups like this usually have so much internal strife or just the super grifty ones?

Yeah

I'm a member of the dang DSA trust me

lmao

(mostly joking) I was a member of my church board while our church ousted 2/3 (and nearly 3/3) pastors, can also confirm

(I was not in favor of anyone's ouster nor did I call anyone who disagreed with me Satan or Satan-influenced)

(I've since happily withdrawn from heavy involvement with my church)

(My wife is Chinese and the Chinese churches around us are largely similar so there's not a lot of good alternatives)

Yeah, the drama I expect but I guess I'm less used to the public statements but also I probably just haven't been looking

Hooray dysfunction!

@TimStone chuckles in drama-filled organization We have thus far narrowly avoided a pair of lawsuits (publicly filed)

weeeeeee

6:07 PM

One by one or more congregants claiming the trustees failed at their legal duties, another by Pastor #3 for hostile workplace

Weeeeeee exactly :P

Love too turn routine disagreements into gestures broadly this because you eliminate all room for compromise or even backing down by coloring the conflict as spiritually loaded and urgent.

6:39 PM

@TimStone I mean it's true we locally are on fire but we're not public statement on fire atm

7:03 PM

> A third of Canadians say science on vaccines isn’t ‘quite clear’: poll

> That said, the hesitancy doesn’t appear to have much bearing over whether people think vaccines work, Kurl said. Nine in 10 agreed that vaccines are effective at reducing the risk of diseases spreading, and 83 per cent said they would vaccinate their own children, without reservation.

Okay, whew.

Seems more like "I don't know how vaccines work, but I know they work".

7:17 PM

We want those numbers around 95% for effective herd immunity, though.

Amazon...does...cleaning services?

7:46 PM

> Ex-GOP candidate for Congress in R.I. charged in fraud

STONE: "I believe I abused the order, for which I am heart fully sorry. I am kicking myself over my own stupidity... I offer no excuse for it, no justification..." Calls it a lapse in judgement called by stress.

Tweeted by ryanjreilly on February 21, 2019 at 7:45 PM in reply to ryanjreilly

lol his defense is that his grift has run dry

Harris says NEW ELECTION SHOULD BE CALLED #ncpol #nc09

Tweeted by LorettaBoniti on February 21, 2019 at 7:47 PM

"Look my operative maybe did some crimes sooo...redo?"

I mean it's really the only option here so I guess good on him for just admitting it

Reggie is retiring as Nintendo America CEO

Being replaced by a guy literally named Bowser

8:22 PM

BREAKING: Federal prosecutors broke law in Jeffrey Epstein case, judge rules https://hrld.us/2XgoWpN

Tweeted by MiamiHerald on February 21, 2019 at 7:54 PM

> A judge ruled Thursday that federal prosecutors — among them, U.S. Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta — broke federal law when they signed a plea agreement with a wealthy, politically connected sex trafficker and concealed it from more than 30 of his underage victims.

Good

That whole situation is just so absurd and gross

8:35 PM

I get tired of saying this, but in any other administration this would be the scandal of the year

In Trump's, its just Thursday

8:58 PM

wowowow

Judge says Stone’s release under current conditions would pose a risk to the public. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/roger-stone-instagram-post-judge_n_5c6d939be4b0f40774cb4f14?fy9

Tweeted by ryanjreilly on February 21, 2019 at 8:57 PM in reply to ryanjreilly

Sounds like she's revoking his bail!!!

Judge Amy Berman Jackson says she's not convinced that Stone is all talk. Says the post created a very real risk. "These were deliberate choices." https://www.huffpost.com/entry/roger-stone-instagram-post-judge_n_5c6d939be4b0f40774cb4f14?fy9

Tweeted by ryanjreilly on February 21, 2019 at 8:51 PM in reply to ryanjreilly

maybe not, just changing conditions of his release:

JUDGE: “No, Mr. Stone, I’m not giving you another chance.” Modifying conditions, says Stone cannot speak publicly about the case. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/roger-stone-instagram-post-judge_n_5c6d939be4b0f40774cb4f14?fy9

Tweeted by ryanjreilly on February 21, 2019 at 9:00 PM in reply to ryanjreilly

(refresh, refresh, refresh...)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Tweeted by ananavarro on February 21, 2019 at 9:03 PM

NOW: The judge is prohibiting Roger Stone from making any public statements about his case, the investigation, or any participants in the investigation. "Period." He will be allowed to solicit funds for his legal defense, and say he's innocent of the charges, but that's it.

Tweeted by ZoeTillman on February 21, 2019 at 9:01 PM in reply to ZoeTillman

N.C. board declares a new election in contested House race after the GOP candidate admitted misspeaking under oath https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/candidate-says-new-congressional-election-warranted-in-north-carolina/2019/02/21/acae4482-35e0-11e9-854a-7a14d7fec96a_story.html

Tweeted by washingtonpost on February 21, 2019 at 9:01 PM

Sounds about as expected. Imagine just setting every bit of good will on fire like that though, amazing

@BradC Ahh there it is

@BradC So... they might be invalidating Epstein's immunity deal?

It's good for everyone because we can have conspiracy theories about both Trump and the Clintons! Everyone wins, except hopefully Epstein, who will lose badly

@Yuuki that's unclear

> While the victims ultimately would like to see Epstein go to jail, the judge’s ruling stopped short of issuing a remedy or punishment. He gave the government and victims 15 days to confer with each other to come up with a resolution. It’s unclear what that resolution would be.

(from the Miami Herald article)

Argh, I missed that.

9:12 PM

> Edwards conceded that Epstein’s sentence isn’t likely to be overturned. He was released in 2009.

> But victims’ rights advocates say that other charges can still be brought against Epstein if more victims come forward in other jurisdictions. There has been no statute of limitations for sex trafficking since 2002.

This was a civil lawsuit by the victims

@TimStone if it was truly justice, they would disallow Harris from running

Much more detailed reporting from the local NC paper:

NC state board votes for new election in 9th district after Harris calls for new race

Are they going to re-do the primaries as well? The GOP might try to remove Harris from their ballots to minimize losses from the scandal.

@Yuuki Excellent question, I can't find any detail on that.

I think that the answer is no? (When this story originally broke a while back, I can recall them contrasting what would happen if the NC board voted for a new election vs if the US House refused to seat him)

And if I recall correctly, a NC board vote would re-do the general, but action from the US House could re-do the primary and the general??

But that's from my memory, not from updated reporting

An analyst with the IRS was charged with disclosing confidential reports about Michael Cohen's bank records that revealed the President's former lawyer sought to profit from his proximity to the White House https://cnn.it/2SQdu5S

Tweeted by CNN on February 21, 2019 at 8:44 PM

#Haiti: Seven foreign mercenaries were reported released late this afternoon into the custody of representative of the US Embassy who will be accompanying on a flight back to the US.

Tweeted by HaitiInfoProj on February 20, 2019 at 11:23 PM

ah,

naturally

good news guys our assets are secure

ofc

lol

holy shit

(7 heavily armed americans who appear to be either all or mostly ex-military based on the passports were arrested in haiti last week for, you know, being heavily armed etc)

9:30 PM

@Unionhawk Just there for... vacation?

Probably a business trip

For their employer, probably the united states state department

what are these flags lol

lol it's going to validate isn't it

@BradC Actually, funny thing is Twitter is blocked and I didn't see this tweet having an image

Hopefully it's not too graphic or whatever. Chat flags are broken-ish anyway

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ No, its just a photoshop of Stone with tape over his mouth

9:43 PM

EEEEEEK

Since he is now under a complete gag order by the judge regarding anything related to this case

Why is the ping highlight so . . . yellow?

lol welcome to gaming theme

.mention background color ffc000 babey, awoouu

Well, a warm welcome I guess . . . considering pee is warm

K, handling chat flags on a room I've only entered once before . . . I'm gonna sleep well tonight

Night

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Welcome and night. FYI we post a lot of news posts as Twitter links, because they auto-expand nicely in the chat window. Not sure if you can follow links in tweets, or if its just pics

9:51 PM

@BradC Here, Zarif can tweet but it's considered too immoral for anyone else and its entirety is blocked because they're concerned about our morality.

THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN.

Actually now I need a study that says politician tweets are damaging to kids' developing brains.