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1:51 AM
THIS IS NOT A DRILL. OUR POUTINE IS IN DANGER ctvnews.ca/mobile/world/…
 
user15026
2:07 AM
Noooooooooo
 
2:56 AM
Hm
She's the first Muslim woman elected to the PA House so that would be unfortunate. It would be nice if politicians in particular stopped doing crimes, tbh
 
4:40 AM
> The two sides announced a confidential settlement had been reached on Wednesday afternoon, after mediation ordered by the Federal Circuit Court.
> "Similarly, Mr Folau did not intend to hurt or harm the game of rugby and acknowledges and apologises for any hurt or harm caused."
we'll soon see. what got him fired in the first place was not the first time he did it and recently he said the drought and fires was because we legalized same sex marriage and abortions
 
 
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11:33 AM
Trudeau and other world leaders caught making fun of Trump twitter.com/PnPCBC/status/1202008162997538817?s=19
That moment when you're the laughing stock of the entire world
Anyway, I assume Trump is going to bomb Canada now, so nice knowing all of you.
 
@Wipqozn we had that when he was talking to the UN saying he had done more than any US President and everyone laughed at him, and he said they were laughing with him
 
Alberta's credit rating has been downgraded by Moody's, with the agency citing the volatility in the province's dependence on oil and continued fiscal pressures. cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/…
 
 
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1:40 PM
 
2:08 PM
@TimStone Hear that? That's the sound of the bus driving over Rudy.
 
2:39 PM
I'm not watching the Judicial committee hearing right now, but apparently:
> “The president’s serious misconduct, including bribery, soliciting a personal favor from a foreign leader in exchange for his exercise of power, and obstructing justice and Congress are worse than the misconduct of any prior president,” Michael Gerhardt, a University of North Carolina law professor will say, according to a copy of his opening statement obtained by POLITICO.
Apparently its from an opening statement, not sure where they actually are
 
@BradC The GOP are already trying to discredit them.
 
Looks like it'll start in about 20 minutes
@Frank Yeah, I think, strategically, they might have been better off calling legal experts from across the political spectrum, but we'll see how it plays out
 
@BradC The Dems? Or the GOP should've called legal experts instead of trying to discredit the experts already coming?
 
@Frank By that I mean, the 3 experts being called by the Dems are all left-leaning, but there are plenty of right-leaning legal experts who have gone on the record saying that what Trump has done is impeachable.
So Dems might have headed off at least one GOP objection
 
I can't seem to reply on mobile, but Trump called Justin two faced cbc.ca/news/politics/…
 
2:47 PM
(of course the GOP would still attempt to make the objection that they're all cherry-picked anti-trumpers, they just wouldn't have quite as much credibility in doing so)
 
Which, well, is probably right lol
 
@BradC Eh? Trump calls anyone against him Never-Trumpers. Facts have never stood in the way of a good victim complex.
I don't see the GOP being any different.
 
So I can't read this due to the WaPo paywall: No, Mr. President, impeachment doesn't trigger NATO Article 5
Is it responding to an actual argument or comment or tweet Trump made?
 
@BradC Would it matter?
His lawyers are arguing the president has absolute personal immunity because he's the president.
 
@Frank Just curious if the headline is sarcasm or what
or if Trump responded to another asinine reporter question with, "sure we'd consider that" or whatever
Its hard to think of anything so outrageous that I wouldn't believe Trump might have actually said it; that's why I asked about the WaPo article; all I can see is the headline
Eh, got it open in incognito view (I thought they closed that loophole)
Looks like its just criticising Trump's ranting and rambling about how he's being treated so unfairly, to other world leaders at NATO
Which is a good article, just more of a "world leaders don't care about your troubles at home"
 
3:02 PM
So jsutin is responding, and honestly,t his is a perfect example of how Trump, and the right in different, are held to a different standard than the left.
As well, "left' as the liberals are.
But the right can do whatever the fuck they want and get away with it. Left makes a slight misstep, and it's a huge scandal.
Similar to how the left is told to not "talk down to the right", whereas the right talk about "shooting lefties".
 
@Wipqozn It's the whole dichotomy between, "Take the high road", and, "Punching down is the best way"
 
@Wipqozn I'm not sure one side is "being held to different standards", actually, I think the difference is that the left cares about norms, about perceptions, about kindness, about gafes. The right has shown that they don't care even when they are held to the proper standard
 
Fuck norms actually
 
I mean, we've been in a continuous "can you believe what Trump said" scandal for three fucking years, and if he doesn't actually care, if the GOP won't hold their own members accountable, then, I'm not sure what else can be said
So in one sense, I don't think the left should aspire to the same standards. They should continue to care about norms and proper behavior and all that, as they should
Judiciary Committee hearning just gavelled in
Now, there is a certain class of "gaffe seeking" reporting that, in my opinion, has never been legitimate, or has overblown innocent verbal errors or phrases into something they aren't, so I'd be just as happy to see that go away on both sides.
 
I feel like abandoning the norms is just a descent into pettiness. We're supposed to better than that.
 
Nadler isn't quite as compelling a speaker as Schiff. Good material, but not quite the same heft
 
3:36 PM
Schiff was also better at brushing aside these kind of parliamentary inquiries and stuff.
 
3:51 PM
Sheesh. I should just wait for the summary videos of this hearing.
(annoying roll call votes on procedural questions)
 
4:24 PM
@Wipqozn is one of the faces black?
 
4:42 PM
did we post the elon musk trial in here?
 
I briefly mentioned one quote but it's all gold so go for it
 
@GodEmperorDune Yes
 
> The Honorable Stephen Wilson, in explaining the case, tells the fortyish prospective jurors that Elon Musk “posted a series of tweets on his Twitter” very sincerely, a statement that had been tediously ironed out with both sets of lawyers the day before.
> Spiro then coined the worst acronym I’ve heard in years, and I edit stories about aerospace so I know from bad acronyms. It is: JDART, for joking, deleted, apologized-for, responsive tweets. See, because the tweets were in response to the CNN interview.
 
Thanks I hate it
 
4:47 PM
> At this point, Wood tried to enter an email exchange into evidence, resulting in a great deal of confusion on Judge Wilson’s part about how email reply chains work. (You read from the bottom.) After that confusion was resolved, a July 10 email was entered into evidence
> At this point, the “pedo guy” Twitter thread was entered into evidence, and the befuddled court had to be told that the reply chains work the other way on Twitter — the first tweet is at the top, and the last tweet is at the bottom. Musk helpfully explained Twitter’s reply mechanism means that when you reply to someone, it’s less visible than when you simply tweeted. Then the meaning of the slang “sus” was explained to the court.
 
I really love that his defense is "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm trying to delete it but actually I doubled-down"
 
@GodEmperorDune oh man, i can't wait for someone to explain "own the libs"
... to own the libs
 
5:28 PM
Public high schools across Ontario are shut down today as teachers stage a one-day strike amid tense contract talks with Doug Ford's government.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-high-school-teachers-strike-1.5383512
> "I had to drop my math course," she said, adding that with 42 students in one room, she found it too loud to learn.
Don't. Vote. Conservative.
@GodEmperorDune "self sufficiency". Wow
 
@Wipqozn yeah its some wild BS
 
Love to double down on Clintonian "welfare reform"
 
user15026
6:07 PM
@Wipqozn I hope this bears some fruit, because the teachers I know are drowning in the expectations, I can't imagine how awful it must be to be a student
 
6:32 PM
@Ash I'm sure it won't matter, because Ford doesn't care.
@puzzlepiece87 Gotta keep trying to make things worse
@GodEmperorDune It really is. I'm thankful the cons didn't win the federal, since I'm sure we'd be seeing this stuff happening all over Canada. Ford and Kenney are bad enough.
 
> Another prospective juror in the Musk trial was let go after admitting she had strong opinions about billionaires.
Is eat the rich really a strong opinion though?
 
@Ash And I saw something about new teachers in Ontario have to pass a test to determine if they can teach math, even if they don't have the teachables needed for teaching math (i.e. no school board would ever hire them to teach math, nor let them in any other circumstance).
The rational they use is that they want to improve math outcomes, but you can't do that by having teachers who are unqualified to teach math teaching math.
As much as this irks elementary and non-STEM teachers, the best way to improve math (and STEM more generally) outcomes is to hire good STEM teachers, and to do that you need to provide more (financial) incentives.
 
6:48 PM
Well, a national increase in teacher's salaries would be a really good way to ensure teachers actually stay teachers.
Most teacher's unions seem to lack the teeth to be able to fight for fair wages.
 
@Frank Teacher salaries, at least in Atlantic Canada, are already pretty fair. Most teachers who have been teaching for as long as I've been working are earning close to what I'm earning. Maybe a few thousand less. Granted, there isn't as much headroom above what they're earning as what I have. But given all other factors, they're being paid pretty well already here.
 
user15026
Well, if you consider it just for the hours they are in the school, without marking and extra curriculars and all the other stuff we expect
 
@MBraedley Really? Interesting. From what I've heard, it sounded like teacher salaries are endemically low.
 
@Ash For the extra benefits that teachers receive, and regardless of what work they're doing outside of their job description, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that teachers (as a whole) are earning anything other than a fair salary.
 
7:04 PM
Huh. Googling Manitoba's teacher salaries gives the range as ~$39k starting, up to $100k+.
 
@Frank Almost all of the best jobs in Nova Scotia are either provincial or federal non-partisan career civil servant. That includes teachers, nurses, and military.
 
user15026
@MBraedley okay.
 
it looks like Canada ranks pretty high on teacher salaries but, I am suspicious of this in general
 
That range seems pretty reasonable, to me.
I...think? most of those positions also come with benefits that are no longer very common, like pensions.
 
Guaranteed pension, 10 weeks vacation to start (although it never increases), decent number of sick days that generally don't expire, bunch of other perks.
 
7:10 PM
A big thing that conservatives like Rahm Emanuel like to do is talk about how teachers are just greedy which is a big reason why I am suspicious of this.
And will always be suspicious of this
ultimately though who cares since that doesn't appear to be on the list of main issues here
 
@Unionhawk The same rhetoric is used for any sort of social system in the US; people are being greedy by wanting to have universal health care.
 
@TimStone and he worked so hard to get people in urban communities and public housing projects off the voter rolls too
 
@TimStone hell yeah, i hope other courts follow
wait audio only? bleh
 
Courts, they're weird!
 
i guess its better than nothing
 
@Ash iirc @MBraedley mother is a teacher, so I think he's got a lot more insight into the NS compensation package that the rest of us probably do.
 
user15026
@Wipqozn Yeah, I'm speaking from the Ontario side, from the teachers I know here.
 
user15026
7:51 PM
I have no idea how it's different, I just watch my friends stress out over what they're being asked to do and how little support they're getting to do it, because it's not just about what they're getting paid, its about the resources they're being given to do their jobs, as well.
 
@Wipqozn Both my parents are retired teachers.
 
user15026
So yeah, salaries might be good there and they could be good here but I think salary is far from the only problem.
 
> Los Angeles police officer accused of fondling dead woman
> The veteran officer turned off his body camera, according to LAPD officials, and is alleged to have “inappropriately touched the woman’s body.” Even though the body cam had been shut off, the device is designed to still record for two minutes afterward. It captured the alleged incident on video.
 
@Ash Oh, that's a separate issue from salary, really. Cutting support staff seems to be the first thing that happens with education cuts, which is why education cuts should never be a thing.
ONE of the reasons
 
@Ash Don't get me wrong, everything else in Ontario is BS for teachers. I just don't think it's an issue of the average teacher not being paid enough. But to the point I was trying to make earlier, it may make sense from an economics perspective to offer teachers extra incentives to become a STEM teacher or relocate to Ontario. The biggest problem with that is that we have a rather low supply of good STEM teachers across the country already.
 
user15026
7:57 PM
@Wipqozn Support staff, budgets, all of it :(
 
user15026
@MBraedley Yeah, hearing my friend who teaches biology going "they want me to teach math, I'm not really prepared to teach math, but it's teach math or don't teach here."
 
user15026
That was...unhappymaking.
 
user15026
Ontario is a hot mess.
 
one of the big demands of the latest chicago strike was to increase support staff
like, the district has money now, there's no good reason why any school should have just a part time nurse
kid gets sick on tuesday but the nurse is only here wednesday oh well
 
 
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9:48 PM
Libertarians but tbh someone needed to take up that man's case because wtaf
Like that's just insane, over a shoplifter ffs
 
occasionally reason does a good
mostly they don't though
 
Well specifically the Institute for Justice being the libertarians but also Reason yes
 
@TimStone wtf
 
To be fair this wouldn't be the first time this happened (see: google dot com slash "that time the city of Philadelphia bombed itself")
 
@TimStone Yeah, I read about this.
Poor guy. Police demolish his house, through no fault of his, and the government just goes, "Welp, our bad, but dem criminals, right?"
 
10:19 PM
> George Zimmerman is suing the family of Trayvon Martin for 100 million.
 
@Unionhawk Cops these days don't know how easy they have it, not having to manufacture a years-long pretext to bomb black folks and destroy a housing block and instead just chasing some dude with like $20 of walmart crap into someone else's home
 
10:34 PM
@Yuuki Okay, but what if, instead, Zimmerman launched himself directly into the sun?
 
I'd put money in that GoFundMe.
 
user15026
@Yuuki what why
 
@Ash 1) because he's broke despite selling the gun he used to shoot Trayvon Martin for like $100k and 2) he's been out of the news for a couple months now
 
user15026
@Yuuki ah yes
 
@Yuuki You said that so much more politely than "because he's an actual [looong Code of Conduct bleep]"
 
10:47 PM
It's important to highlight someone's oft-missed flaws like how do you run out of money just a few years after getting $100k.
 
Everyone knows how he's horrible to the other people but now we know that he's also horrible with money.
hmmm that's a smart tactic
use disney's rabid defense of their IP to attack t-shirt companies that steal designs from online artists
 
The probable result is that they'll take down those specific shirts quickly, and not be otherwise impacted
 
11:46 PM
@murgatroid99 Already happened. One of the "This site steals art" things had Mickey on it, and it was rather quickly taken down.
 
lol "We pay all court and tribunal fees" as though an image of a virtual T-shirt is legally binding
 

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