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4:05 AM
> Rob Vigors and Karen Ridge are understood to have walked onto Robby Wirramanda's property at Mildura and taken an issue with an Aboriginal flag flying on the property.
 
 
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12:29 PM
@Memor-X I like how mild that tries to make it seem
 
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I'm glad they got their franchises taken.
 
1:13 PM
@Memor-X Curious if the franchise takeover is in their franchise agreement or if they were effectively bought out (which would be unfortunate given the circumstances)
 
1:33 PM
@TimStone assuming this is the same contract i would say it would fall under 18-o
> Franchisee engages in public conduct which reflects materially and unfavourably upon the operation of the Restaurant, the reputation of the McDonald s System, or the good will associated with the McDonald's trademarks; provided that engaging in legitimate political activity (including testifying, lobbying, or otherwise attempting to influence legislation) shall not be grounds for termination;
also would not be surprised if there is a broad termination clause in there saying something like "McDonald reserves the right to terminate Franchisee in their discretion"
 
Yeah, usually terminating the franchise would just mean the restaurant shutting down though, so the fact they were actually able to acquire them is interesting
And good, the employees shouldn't have to suffer due to that dude
 
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If this is how that dude acts in public I worry very much for how he treated his employees
 
2:01 PM
Yeah :/
 
2:29 PM
@Ash well if they did suffer from him they wont now, or anyone else since his named is now recorded on the internet against this
 
 
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3:35 PM
That's a news article, here's the 658-page PDF
Page 127:
> For the reasons given above, President Trump’s abuse of power encompassed both the constitutional offense of “Bribery” and multiple federal crimes. He has betrayed the national interest, the people of this Nation, and should not be permitted to be above the law. It is therefore all the more vital that he be removed from office.
and p 128:
> By virtue of the conduct encompassed by the First Article of Impeachment, President Trump “has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national security and the Constitution if allowed to remain in office, and has acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self-governance and the rule of law.”
 
@BradC All clear and self evident.
And none of it will change that the Senate will try to acquit him, and won't convict him either way.
 
@Frank we will see what we shall see. My fervent hope is that Democratic challengers to GOP senators are poised and ready to take advantage; to (rightly) paint them as defenders of Trump's corruption.
Note that many GOP senators have been largely successful at "no-commenting" their way through the entire Trump presidency
 
And this is a public vote, right?
 
Heck, GOP house members as well, assuming the impeachment vote is (as expected) along party lines
 
3:46 PM
Which makes it a lot easier to show who's actually supporting the corruption.
"Draining the swamp by replacing the alligators with crocodiles!"
 
@Frank It is now, yes. Not impossible for them to change it to a hidden vote, but would likely be too obvious
 
In a sane world everyone would have figured the game was up after Amash jumped ship, but alas
@BradC tbf McConnell already did that thing on Hannity's show
 
(Plus all the rumors, whether you believe them or not, that GOP senators would be more likely to convict if allowed a secret ballot)
 
@BradC See, if I could be confident that's the way they'd trend, I'd be all for it.
 
@TimStone I think "jumping ship" is not the right take. Basically anyone that speaks the clear truth is kicked out of the party
 
3:49 PM
The public vote has the, "problem" of Trump knowing who didn't support him if the ouster fails.
 
When is the house vote (or has it been scheduled yet)?
 
McConnell's being pretty brazen by just straight up saying he'll try to acquit Trump.
You'd think publicly biased senators would be excluded from voting.
 
@MBraedley not scheduled yet, afaik
 
@Frank You still need quorum
 
@Frank Probably because he knows that Democratic leadership is under the mistaken assumption that him saying these things will hurt him in future elections.
 
4:00 PM
(and also 2/3rds of the full senate IIRC)
 
So they won't do anything about it and his diehard base will keep him elected.
 
it's almost like the constitution doesn't work if you have ideologically coherent parties weird
 
@Unionhawk Eh, not sure that's the proper takeaway. This is a Republican problem, not a partisanship problem that exists equally on both sides. Democrats wouldn't blindly defend a Democratic president who had done these kinds of things
> Rep. Adam Schiff: "I don't think any of us have any question that had Barack Obama engaged in the activity ... every one of these Republicans would be voting to impeach him."
> "I hope to hell ... if it were Barack Obama, I would vote to impeach him."
 
That there's that flexibility is arguably a structural deficiency though
The Framers made the mistake of not anticipating "Debate me" being reduced from "the only thing for wealthy men to occupy their time with" to "Ben Shapiro", alas
 
@TimStone That's what amendments are for, right? The constitution wasn't meant as a perfect document in perpetuity.
 
4:12 PM
Sure, except once you already have a problem digging yourself out of that hole to even come close to an amendment is tricky
Since that's a super high bar
And yet one people were willing to overcome to ban alcohol for a bit 🤔
But not gestures broadly
 
@TimStone I wouldn't disagree that blind partisan loyalty is one of (several) current issues not anticipated by the founders. But I'm not sure what the remedy would be, even if you could pass a constitutional amendment.
 
Setting fire to everyone
Alternatively gestures vaguely at other democracies
 
What would you do, turn us into a UK-style parliament with a body-elected prime minister?
Looks like things are working smoothly for them right now!!
 
@BradC I mean, I think part of the problem is that the presidential election is two iterations of FPTP, which takes the worst parts of FPTP and exacerbates them. It pushes things towards a two party system even faster.
 
I'd not turn you into any place with all the fun gerrymandering
 
4:16 PM
@BradC Another party needs to be in there, I think.
@Elva I'd?
 
Hmm? Is that on my word choice? :o
 
I thought you missed a letter there.
 
"I'd not" => "I would not"
I think that's a valid contraction
 
i'dn't
 
Well it's english, it's all valid. But a reasonably common one
 
4:19 PM
Hmm. Okay. I thought "It'd" was what you meant there.
 
@BradC "I hope to hell... it were Barack Obama... I would vote... him."
> Hallmark to reinstate same-sex marriage commercial it pulled
> > “Our shareholders are working hard to determine how we feel about same-sex marriage”
 
@BradC I think there are a lot of things that are dependent on cooperation by the chamber speakers that inhibit dissent? Hard to say exactly what the remedy is
 
#1 destroy the senate
#2 steal the declaration of independence
that's my two step plan to at least arrive somewhere
 
#3 find treasure
 
@Unionhawk I'm sure the GOP thinks the same about the House right now.
 
4:22 PM
#4 get sean bean arrested at boston's old north tower
 
Need to introduce another party somewhere, so that people have more to vote for than "for this party" or, "against that party"
 
The democratic party is not interested in changing the rules that keep them alive
welcome to the iron law of institutions
 
@Unionhawk Same with the liberals
There's a reason they sabotaged that entire process
 
@Wipqozn And they're supposed to be the progressive party!
I mean, we only have three viable parties in Canada, but there's enough other ones that at least strip votes away from an either/or situation.
 
what will really fix this country is if we cut the malarkey and elect joe biden to the office of president for 1 term only
that'll solve everything
 
4:27 PM
smaller meteor 2020
 
@Frank many 3rd parties have been introduced, and then subsequently either died or been absorbed into one of the two bigger ones.
It's not their fault, its just the way it works
 
@BradC Not their fault, but part of the problem.
Without competition, the system is naturally skewed to a divide.
 
@Unionhawk Actually, I think you'll see a Democratic president would be willing to implement many ideas that ultimately reduce the power of the president, even at their own expense
 
@BradC Here's hoping. Dems seem to be as willing to skew the rules as the GOP; they did so often enough when Obama was president.
 
that's not the same as making a left party viable via different voting methods
 
4:45 PM
@Frank Maybe some, but I don't think I'd agree that's enough to characterize them as just two sides of the same coin.
 
actually honestly that isn't even iron law that's ideological opposition
 
Although I would argue that Dems should act sooner and more firmly to push back against clearly bad faith arguments by the GOP
I think this ^ is the dance the Democrats have been doing for the past (calculating....) 30 years?
And its time to stop.
 
@BradC And the dance that everyone is trying to get Labour to do in the UK.
Looks like it'll succeed, given the latest election results.
 
And sure, the GOP (and the media) might characterize that as dems "playing the same game" or whatever, but I think its more accurately catching up to the actual rules of the game the GOP has been playing for a long time
For example: I think that if Dems retake the Senate (and the House and White House), they'd be FOOLS if they didn't abolish the filibuster so they could get things done.
 
@Yuuki I think it's complicated, and I hope that the party will see that no the manifesto was decent we just need a leader that people like (but also need to figure out how to work with a press that will probably smear any labour leader in exactly the same way)
 
4:50 PM
@BradC Is it catching up, though? Or is it more descending to the same level?
 
@BradC good thing we're working with a party full of fools
 
Wild idea: if less than 50% of the population votes, everybody gets thrown out of office, and candidates are barred from participating again for at least a term.
 
@Unionhawk yah. You watch The Good Place on NBC? The "rules committee" scenes in the last 2 seasons have felt frustratingly familiar.
 
@BradC Of the Good Guys?
 
@Frank Sure, putting unqualified people into positions of power has worked out great the last 3 years!!
@Frank Yep. "Oh, we can't actually take action, we need an executive committee to debate that for... 200 years!"
 
4:54 PM
@BradC They're all unqualified when they start.
@BradC I feel like it's a caricature of extreme goodness; that they're completely ineffective.
 
@Frank Right. That's why it feels like a caricature of the Dems, in some ways
 
@BradC Eh. I wouldn't classify them as extreme goodness; they've got their own warts.
I think they're aware that their current methods lack punch against mudslinging, but that throwing their own mud doesn't really move things forward.
 
@Frank Regarding "playing by the same rules" vs "descending to their level", I think it will depend on the specific issue of each moment. But I am desperate for them to stop taking bad faith arguments seriously. That would make a lot of difference, to me.
Too much desire to bend over backwards to appear "fair and balanced and compromising", when the GOP will never compromise. So stop engaging in that way, and simply strongly support your own agenda
 
@BradC stop taking bad faith arguments seriously. Totally hear you. But...what can you do? You're debating for your audience, and refusing to take their crap seriously can hurt any chances of winning over the people on the fence.
 
@Frank I'm not convinced that's true. And even if it is, you're seriously frustrating the democratic base when you again cowtow to the center
 
5:01 PM
@BradC Which, me being cynical, is absolutely fine, because they have no one else to vote for.
 
So you have to weigh what's important. And it seems to me that doing what your base supports should be more important than some fan fiction of seeming fair and balanced
 
@BradC Very relevant.
 
@Frank I think there are many of the newly elected Dems that don't think so. And as they continue to gain power in the party, that will hopefully change
 
The Dems can look fair and balanced because they're hoping to win over the reasonable middle.
The left have no one else, so they're in the bag regardless.
If there was a third party option, the Dems'd would have to firm up their policy, because then someone else could strip the left or center away from them.
 
No they don't because then they go "it's not our fault the green party destroyed us remember blue no matter who"
 
5:07 PM
@Frank I think the "reasonable middle" is mostly a myth.
 
@Unionhawk Which is a problem in and of itself.
 
(this article is mostly saying that there are different types of centrist or undecided voters, in various degrees of overlapping groups; but that they mostly do not fall into the traditional view of what people mean when they talk about that group)
 
5:19 PM
In a similar way, I think the "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" demographic is vastly overstated, which is why the new billionaire boys jumping into the race don't have much of a chance, in my opinion
But what is real is the perception among many that more centrist Democrats have a better chance in the general.
I think that's pretty much the only reason that Biden continues to poll so high. He's the "safe bet"
NYTimes paywall, here's a summary on another site: Reagan’s FBI director slams Trump and Bill Barr in scathing op-ed
> “I know firsthand the professionalism of the men and women of the F.B.I. The aspersions cast upon them by the president and my longtime friend, Attorney General William P. Barr, are troubling in the extreme. Calling F.B.I. professionals ‘scum,”’ as the president did, is a slur against people who risk their lives to keep us safe,” he wrote.
> “Mr. Barr’s charges of bias within the F.B.I., made without providing any evidence and in direct dispute of the findings of the nonpartisan inspector general, risk inflicting enduring damage on this critically important institution.”
 
@BradC And anyone who disagrees that Trump is bad won't care.
 
"longtime friend"
 
They're part of the Deep State, out to get him.
 
@BradC "We have to impeach him so we can acquit him in the Senate to show the American people he did nothing wrong" - Fiorina, probably
 
Carly "I'm a businessperson so I should be President but ignore the fact that HP lost tons of money while I was CEO" Fiorina?
 
 
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keep talking, Rudy!
 
8:52 PM
> The whistleblower, who to Trump’s consternation remains unidentified, raised the concern that the president’s actions leading up to and on that phone call amount to interference in the coming presidential election. Agree or disagree with the conclusion, or whether the president’s conduct warrants impeachment, the actions described in the complaint stand up to factual scrutiny.
 
 
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10:00 PM
The local news is reporting that two kids came home and found "two women dead inside" and I feel chances are good that they're related to at least one of them but you would not get that from the framing 🤔
 
10:11 PM
 
@TimStone Sounds good!
 
Yeah not really seeing the downside here let's keep the ball rolling on this
 
@TimStone So apparently the reason why inclined sleepers are bad are because babies can't breathe if they roll over and nobody thought "hey, things roll over easier when they're on a ramp"?
that's literally why ramps exist, because it's easier to roll things over when you put them on a ramp
I suppose it sounds really straightforward now.
 
@Yuuki Had a "wedge" when my kids were infants, held them on their side. Probably not recommended nowadays, for some reason
 
> Topeka, Kansas, to offer up to $15,000 to anyone who moves there.
 
10:20 PM
is that different than a "ramp"?
 
I think inclined sleepers make your head portion higher than your feet portion or vice-versa.
> Pros: +$15,000 to your bank account.
> Cons: You live in Topeka, Kansas.
> The program would require people to live in the county and work for employers that, in turn, would pay up to $15,000 in moving costs, as a bonus or to help with buying a home. Renters would get $10,000.
> Cons: You live in Topeka, Kansas and you also own a house in Topeka, Kansas.
 
@Yuuki Correct
 
wait they're still making them?
 
> It’s likely Boeing will stop 737 MAX production this week or next and keep the assembly lines closed until the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) clears the jet to return to commercial service, which is currently expected around mid-February or early March, the person said.
Apparently
This would be a big impact on the region, affect a whole lot of workers.
 
10:34 PM
i suppose these planes take a lot of time, effort, and money to make so you stand to lose a lot of money if you just stop for what could be a ban for only one or two months, while waiting on re-approval
 
They can move some of the 12,000 workers to other production lines, but not all of them
 
it's not like an assembly line for plastic toys that you could stop immediately
 
I think they actually assemble them in like a week and a half somehow? So I'm still a little surprised. The plane does have some advantages if it like, doesn't kill everyone, so maybe airlines just hedged their bets on existing orders?
 
11:28 PM
@TimStone this is like the “tear down confederate statues? Why not tear down the founding fathers, they owned slaves too!”
@TimStone I really hope he gets taken down but since this is still eternal 2016, it’s unlikely
 

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