This Is Fine

9:00 PM

Being horrible people is already so, so bad, but why do you have to be ridiculous on top of it?

and as @ash pointed out, the "ongoing social debate" is whether trans people exist or not. must be nice to be so comfortable that you don't have to argue for your rights and can just leave whenever you get some pushback

Yuuki

@TimStone 😶

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone the refugee group is at the southern border of mexico though.... are you gonna wait several weeks for them to move up?

Tim Stone

> “Well why did you come, is what I’m asking you. Can you tell me why you came illegally?" Jenkins asked an unknown woman.

> The woman responded: “The situation in Honduras. You cannot have work in there because the criminals will always get your money.”

Ah well I'm sure he feels like a big man now 🙄

I'm sure they later went on to say "WhY dIdN't YoU jUsT aPpLy FoR cItIzEnShIp?" or something in complete disregard for the associated costs and difficulties

GodEmperorDune

i guess this is slightly better than watters interviewing people that don't speak english in english for lulz

puzzlepiece87

9:05 PM

@TimStone I can't say this enough:

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone or the fact that the trump admin dgaf about legal immigration either

Tim Stone

Indeed

puzzlepiece87

There is no path to citizenship in the US that doesn't involve employer/family sponsorship, invested money, or asylum

There's no line you can just get at the end of

A lot of people (like Fox) either don't understand or actively don't care/support this situation and will happily parrot the "WhY nOt JuSt ApPlY?" and it makes me very mad.

Yuuki

I'm trying to remember how my parents came to America because it wasn't option 1 or 3.

Or at least I don't think it was option 1.

GodEmperorDune

@puzzlepiece87 and when refugees show up requesting asylum, the trump admin (as CBP/ICE, not even a judge) goes "lol nope" and detains/deports

puzzlepiece87

9:07 PM

@GodEmperorDune Yup exactly.

Yuuki

And I don't think they had enough money for option 2.

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki It hasn't always been this way - Ellis Island used to be a thing, after all.

Tim Stone

@puzzlepiece87 Yeah, I think people just don't care and it's easy to assume it can't be hard if you never had to do it

Yuuki

@puzzlepiece87 Well, they came over in the '90s.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki option 2 is half a million, iirc

puzzlepiece87

9:09 PM

@Yuuki I think the open line ended when they did the family sponsorship thing thinking that it would lead to more whiteness because America was already white and then that backfired because Europeans didn't actually want to come here.

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone except a lot of the right wing always complains about how terriblely inefficient govt and bureaucracy is

puzzlepiece87

So now it's chain migration and they want something else intended to be racist

GodEmperorDune

@puzzlepiece87 there was a point in the 1800s where if you were from the wrong part of europe, you weren't considered white

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune Yup, white used to mean northern European but also not Irish.

GodEmperorDune

irish wasn't white enough

user15026

9:10 PM

@Yuuki If it is anything like here, option 1 used to be a lot easier than it is now

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune Neither was Italian and South/Eastern European.

user15026

(and here, option 1 used to be "you married a Canadian? GREAT COME OVER HERE", among other easier options)

GodEmperorDune

@puzzlepiece87 yep

Yuuki

@Ash It's possible that my dad had an employer sponsorship, but given that he immediately went to college for computer science, I'm not sure about that.

Family sponsorship is right out because we're the only part of our family in America. Or at least until my cousin came over a few years ago.

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki Oh, wouldn't it just be student visa --> find sponsoring employer then?

Yuuki

9:12 PM

@puzzlepiece87 Possible.

But it's definitely an odd one because my dad already had a bachelor's for chemical engineering.

Getting a student visa to study for an entirely different major and a bachelor's at that?

user15026

Curiouser and curiouser!

puzzlepiece87

That is still the main way to find a sponsoring employer these days. Student, do internship, "We like you, we'll apply for an H-1B", "We really like you, we'll fully sponsor you"

user15026

@Yuuki doesn't seem outside the realm of possible

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki i'm surprised it wasn't an energy company that sponsored him then

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki That's fairly common. I'm at a Chinese church with lots of students. For those that come over, the idea is to just get here any way they can and work out the details later.

Yuuki

9:14 PM

@GodEmperorDune It's possible (I've lived in Houston for awhile now after all) but not likely given that we lived in South Carolina for the duration of his study and his original field of study in chemical engineering had little to do with petroleum or hydrocarbons.

user15026

School is an easy way to bridge that gap of getting here, yeah

GodEmperorDune

@puzzlepiece87 H-1B is not quite that simple, there are a bunch of politics about which companies even get the H-1Bs to apply

puzzlepiece87

It is nearly impossible to have anything substantial lined up before you get here. Finding someone who wants to fly you over for interviews, etc.

GodEmperorDune

@puzzlepiece87 with tech these days it's easier

Yuuki

I'll probably ask when I get home.

puzzlepiece87

9:15 PM

@GodEmperorDune Yup, I know from my involvement with the church/friends/my wife. So people who want to stay study things that lead to jobs that are H-1B eligible.

GodEmperorDune

@puzzlepiece87 i've heard of companies stringing people along with the promise of H-1B that never materialize

puzzlepiece87

My wife almost lost her chance because her company put "Accounting Assistant" as her occupation on her application instead of "Accountant". The former is ineligible, the latter is not.

Yuuki

Yeah, there's a lot that's unsaid or unrecognized when people think of the stereotype of Asian families wanting their kids to study medicine.

GodEmperorDune

or they have one H-1B for several people

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune Taking advantage of interns and underpaid labor? Why I never! How dare you, sir?

user15026

9:17 PM

All of that sounds awful

user15026

Mind you I have not as much knowledge of how it works here beyond Express Entry and Skilled Worker streams

GodEmperorDune

@puzzlepiece87 not to mention that once you are in the H-1B process you are literally stuck with that company for something like 7 years or you have to restart the process when you switch employers

puzzlepiece87

Next thing I know, you'll be telling me that Elon Musk himself makes frivolous promises of free rollercoasters and yogurt so Tesla employees won't unionize.

GodEmperorDune

@Ash it is a nasty gross system in need of fixing.... unfortunately the trump admin is not likely to make it better for the future citizens

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune 1. Yupppp 2. Each visa is actually 3 years and you can earn a maximum of 2 visas. After that, employer sponsorship or gtfo.

user15026

9:19 PM

@puzzlepiece87 This part I knew!

GodEmperorDune

@puzzlepiece87 damn you're right, i may be mixing H-1B and green card application

puzzlepiece87

But yes you're quite right about the visa not traveling with you, and good luck if the position you accepted disappears, the company goes under, you have a boss who hates you, etc.

user15026

(someone I used to live with went through the HIB process)

Yuuki

@puzzlepiece87 Or your company would like you to move to a new location every year.

user15026

@GodEmperorDune nods I am just not sure if ours is better or not

puzzlepiece87

9:20 PM

@GodEmperorDune Green card --> citizenship is 7 years yes. We have our fingers crossed for two more years for Mrs. Puzzle before we can get her citizenship and breathe a small sigh of relief.

Yuuki

I'm sure you can say no. But you won't. Because of the implication.

user15026

Like I think it sucks less? But I didn't research it all that hard once I figured out that spousal was easier for me

Tim Stone

Small vintage plane down on the 101 @ Liberty Canyon Rd. Pilot not injured. FD responding.

Tweeted by abc7denise on October 23, 2018 at 9:14 PM

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone pilot did nazi that coming

oh hey the 101, this is my area

Tim Stone

Yeah I feel like we've already heard about this pilot?

puzzlepiece87

9:22 PM

@GodEmperorDune You nailed that joke Fuh-sure

GodEmperorDune

@puzzlepiece87 i struggled with it

Tim Stone

Ah no different person

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune There was so much humor to mein, you had to really be choosy.

Tim Stone

(also sorry Newsweek link)

GodEmperorDune

If the “healthy conversations” thing made you think it was about curbing harassment/toxicity, sorry. It’s about onboarding new and infrequent users who find the platform confusing (the eternal issue, by a new name)

Tweeted by katienotopoulos on October 23, 2018 at 9:18 PM in reply to katienotopoulos

puzzlepiece87

9:27 PM

@TimStone Ah so America lands Nazi planes on their highways twice in two years, got it. I'm surprised this doesn't happen wehrmacht often.

user15026

@GodEmperorDune greaaaat

GodEmperorDune

oh for those unaware, the above tweet was about twitter's internal "healthy conversations" project that they touted whenever people complained about toxicity on twitter

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune I mean it's kind of confusing why there are so many nazis so maybe start there idk

Scoop from @Kate_H_Taylor: Leaked documents reveal McDonald's is expanding its breakfast menu for the first time in years with sandwiches that contain 3 times the meat https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-new-breakfast-sandwich-triple-breakfast-stacks-2018-10?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=topbar&utm_term=desktop&referrer=twitter via @businessinsider

Tweeted by nichcarlson on October 23, 2018 at 9:21 PM

Okay but maybe just bring back the BLT bagel you cowards

SaintWacko

@TimStone You know what's even better than a BLT on a bagel?

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone is this a move to increase trump's heart disease?

SaintWacko

9:38 PM

A BLT on a croissant

user15026

@TimStone I loved that

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone i do love the UI in this training guide actually

Yuuki

@TimStone So... "new"?

It's basically just adding more sausage patties to the existing single patty breakfast sandwich, right?

user15026

@Yuuki and bacon

Yuuki

I suppose that's new given that I remember having to choose bacon or sausage but not both.

Tim Stone

9:44 PM

@Ash Right? It was still McDonald's but my body felt a little less regret

user15026

@TimStone exactly!

Tim Stone

Nevada Republican's family blasts his campaign in op-ed: 'It's all fake' https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/23/adam-laxalt-nevada-governor-candidate-family-op-ed?CMP=share_btn_tw

Tweeted by lukeoneil47 on October 23, 2018 at 9:44 PM

Yuuki

> “You can’t pick your family,” Gosar responded in a tweet in September. “We all have crazy aunts and relatives etc and my family is no different. I hope they find peace in their hearts and let go all the hate …”

When you're calling all of your siblings "the crazy one in the family", maybe you're the crazy one...

Probably not a good rule of thumb though.

GodEmperorDune

> Even Josh Kushner, younger brother to White House utility man Jared Kushner, has been seen bucking familiar political solidarity. He was spotted at a March for Our Lives event and reportedly donated $50,000 to the anti-gun violence movement.

lol "utility man"

is that some british shade?

puzzlepiece87

10:06 PM

@GodEmperorDune It's a sports term I believe. It means versatile.

Jared is basically "in charge" of like 10 different things.

Usually versatile means performing in all of those different areas rather than being completely worthless in them, though.

GodEmperorDune

10:23 PM

@puzzlepiece87 oh snap

Senior VA official had portrait of KKK's first grand wizard hanging in his office http://hill.cm/qGUkOeP

Tweeted by thehill on October 23, 2018 at 10:10 PM

> David J. Thomas Sr. told the Post that he was not aware that the man in the portrait, Nathan Bedford Forrest, was the white supremacist organization's first figurehead. He said he removed the portrait after a Post reporter explained Forrest's significance.

> he knew Forrest only as "a southern general in the Civil War."

and yet you didn't think that hanging up a portrait of a confederate general in the civil war was a bad thing to do?

murgatroid99

"I didn't know he was racist. I thought he just fought to keep black people enslaved"

Memor-X

10:54 PM

> David: i thought he was a southern general in the Civil War
Reporter: then why would he be wearing that white outfit?
David: because he's a scary ghost of a southern general in the Civil War

Man accused of groping woman: Trump "says it's OK to grab women by their private parts" http://hill.cm/8bTBFIs

Tweeted by thehill on October 23, 2018 at 10:31 PM

> According to the affidavit, Alexander told officers after he was placed in handcuffs that "the president of the United States says it’s OK to grab women by their private parts."

Tim Stone

> The painting, by artist Don Stivers, shows Forrest wearing a gray military uniform and astride a horse. It is titled “No Surrender” and depicts the general fleeing a snowy Tennessee battlefield in 1862.

Wait is this like the actual artist's description of the painting or? Is this irony art world? 🤔

Memor-X

*facedesk*

Tim Stone

But also of all the people not to know,

GodEmperorDune

@Memor-X i mean he literally did

Tim Stone

The guy with that statue seems to be low on the list, lol

GodEmperorDune

10:59 PM

@TimStone lol i knew this was coming

and tbh i would've replaced the portrait with a pic of this statue

Memor-X

@GodEmperorDune i know it's just, well maybe i should stop assuming these people have brains to know that the president is an idiot when he says something stupid like that

user15026

@TimStone this is terrifying

GodEmperorDune

11:29 PM

@TimStone as it turns out, this is right before one of my teammate's exit

so his commute is going to be quite nasty

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune That sucks :|

GodEmperorDune

yep

Tim Stone

11:49 PM