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11:02 PM

@Ash at times like that i want the Pope to go "seriously, WTF America. like we still think homosexuality is unnatural and that, but at least we're being human about treating them"

Wipqozn

I thought the church changed their stance on homosexuality?

I might just be thinking of Canadian churches, which have been performing same sex marriages for a long time now

user15026

@Wipqozn Some flavours have yes

user15026

some have not

Wipqozn

OKay, I don't really follow churches in Canada becasue... I mean why would I

but I did know they became more accepting

user15026

Are we speaking all Christian churches here or just Catholic (before I go further)

Wipqozn

11:06 PM

@Ash I have no idea

tbh I often forget just how divided Christianity is

user15026

Because like...Mennonites are pretty much a no-go zone

user15026

(I mean progressives, here, sorry)

Wipqozn

I know whatever faith my grandmother practices does it, since I remember her telling me about a same sex marriage about 10 years ago she attended.

I was actually super proud of her, because I know she wasn't always accepting of same sex marraige, given when she grew up, but she's completely changed her opinion

I remember her saying it was one of the most beautiful wedding she attended

user15026

Mennonite Church Canada did this whole "Being a Faithful Church" thing and basically left it up to individual congregations (and some (cough Maple View Mennonitecough) are super in the "No" category) - and I think most Mennonites kinda land in the "you can be it but we won't marry you but we won't shun you" camp

Wipqozn

score one of people who change their views even when their old and grey

user15026

11:09 PM

Anglican churches seem to be more on board (I've seen a number with rainbow flags and such)

user15026

So yes, some improvement but not as much as I'd like but getting the church as a whole concept to agree on anything is like herding really irritated cats

user15026

(sorry, I have feelings about this crap, I'll see myself out)

Wipqozn

@Ash No worries. I have strong feelings about this stuff too, it's just that for me it contributes to why I'm Atheist.

Mad Scientist

@Wipqozn I don't think there's any room for the catholic church to change their stance there. But there is certainly some room for change in the practical attitude, if not in doctrine

Tim Stone

why

Tweeted by AthertonKD on January 17, 2018 at 11:16 PM

I don't understand the world in which this is necessary

user15026

11:20 PM

@TimStone why this thing

user15026

@Wipqozn For me it mostly results in subscribing to a faith not a religion

user15026

(although I am technically still a member of the Mennonite church, I think)

Wipqozn

@MadScientist Not sure if I agree with that. Pretty sure they can just say they've interpreted the faith wrong all this time, that god is all loving, therefore he can't hate homosexuals.

Mad Scientist

@Wipqozn they can't really change that it's a sin

quartata

IIRC most of the stuff on that is from the Old Testament

and is also dubious translationally

user15026

11:22 PM

@quartata You would be correct yes

user15026

@quartata Also this :)

quartata

as with most things in the bible you can pretty much pick and choose what you want it to say :/

typical

puzzlepiece87

@TimStone It's the same world where they've never come to grips with their poor 2016 coverage choices.

Yuuki

@Ash To be fair, getting angry at a conservative view of marriage is basically the Anglican Church's raison d'être.

user15026

@quartata Biblical cherrypicking is why we have so many Christianity flavours, yes :)

quartata

11:25 PM

*d'etre

user15026

@Yuuki Yep! :)

puzzlepiece87

@quartata and @Ash, no need to go digging, but if you have any convenient links to the dubious translational parts, I'll take them.

quartata

I believe it's the Book of Leviticus

puzzlepiece87

Right, and some Paul letters - I have easier access to that

I'm talking about the translation critiques

Wipqozn

@MadScientist The old testament used to contain instructions on how to best handle your slaves, and straight up endorses it from what I understand. So I honestly don't buy the "they can't change their stance" argument. They just don't want to.

Mad Scientist

11:29 PM

@Wipqozn I don't think we're disagreeing. I just think it's much easier to change the opinion of individual church members than changing church doctrine. They're very resistant to any kind of change

user15026

@puzzlepiece87 I don't have any good critiques offhand

user15026

@MadScientist This. I think of it like trying to get people here to change stuff - handfuls of people might agree but causing sitewide change is much much harder

Wipqozn

@MadScientist I suppose. I guess it's just impossible for me to understand that kind of mentality.

Unionhawk

11:47 PM

Bitcoin's plunge turned the Winklevoss twins into ex-billionaires https://bloom.bg/2rk3PqK

Tweeted by business on January 17, 2018 at 10:21 PM

Excuse me twitter for Android

What the fuck was that

Tim Stone

@Unionhawk Uhh, oh...no?

Main Street is BACK! Strongest Holiday Sales bump since the Great Recession -- beating forecasts by BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/strongest-holiday-sales-since-great-recession-up-5-point-5-percent-topping-views.html

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on January 17, 2018 at 11:36 PM

Who wants to tell him?

quartata

what on earth

no one is even mentioning it in the replies

puzzlepiece87

@Ash Thanks for replying!

user15026

No problem. I just don't really spend a lot of time in that realm anymore.

Unionhawk

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Memor-X

11:55 PM

@TimStone what wrong?

Tim Stone

JUST IN: Seven GOP senators are co-sponsors of the bipartisan Senate immigration bill that includes #DACA fix and border security package. Graham Flake Gardner Murkowski Collins Rounds Alexander

Tweeted by LauraLitvan on January 17, 2018 at 11:09 PM

@Memor-X Main Street is supposed to be indicative of small business but that has nothing to do with large retailer profits

Which are the likely source of those gains