Discussion on answer by Rickross: Did ancient Yogis float in the air and what is the method to do it?

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A: Did ancient Yogis float in the air and what is the method to do it?

By practicing Yoga and pranayama (control of prana vayu) a Yogi can float in the air, walk in air. This is called Vayu-Siddhi or mastery over air. It can be achieved in the third stage of pranayama sadhana. From Shiva Samhita: In the first stage of pranayama the body of the Yogi begins to ...

Lan

"a highly adept Yogi can float or walk on air." Any evidence of this?

Baldrickk

"a highly adept Yogi can float or walk on air." should be "a highly adept Yogi claims to be able to float or walk on air."[citation needed]

sv.

What exactly does "...which destroys the darkness of the world" in the first blockquote mean? It looks like the verse is mixing physical phenomenon with pseudoscience?

"turning base metals into gold them with his excrements and urine" - how exactly is this possible? Last I heard gold, platinum and other higher elements on the periodic table are formed in a supernova explosion or deep within a star under extreme temperature and pressure. So a Yogi trying to "create gold" from base metals or his urine will not survive the experiment.

Cort Ammon

@Lan I think it is fair to say "A highly adept Yogi can float or walk on air," because the literature says so. It is part of the definition of a highly adept Yogi. Now you and I may debate whether any individual Yogi has reached this level or not over the course of the history of Hinduism, but we have to admit that the definition is there.

Raghav Subramanian

@sv modern science isn't everything. When Einsten was scoffed at for his theory of relativity little did people know that the philosophical equivalent of time dilation was everyday HIndu knowledge. Similarly there are various phenomena that modern science is quite unfortunately disregarding and this is one of them. One problem is the lack of proper practitioners

sv.

04:16

@RaghavSubramanian "the philosophical equivalent of time dilation" - you sound very much like Deepak Chopra. I asked a very specific question: 'turning base metals into gold them with his excrements and urine' - how exactly is this possible? You can either respond to my question with a proper answer if not please avoid further confusion with your mumbo jumbo.

popctrl

@sv. To quote Terrence Mckenna, the only alchemists who ever tried to turn base metals into gold were charlatans. Turning base metals into gold is a metaphor for the transformation of the gross physical body into the subtlest energy body. This is hinduism.SE, not skeptics.SE....

sv.

@popctrl "Turning base metals into gold is a metaphor" - Really? Then a Yogi 'floating in air' must be metaphor for something else then? And 'power of becoming invisible' - what does this mean? If you read the question again, OP is clearly talking about the physical process of floating in air.

popctrl

@sv. Maybe metaphor isn't the right term - Alchemy is a process, which may literally refer to the conversion of metals but also (And arguably more importantly) refers to the transmutation of consciousness to a higher state. Just as 'floating in air' refers to both an adept yogi being able to literally float (As attested in scripture, whether or not any of those yogis exist and have empirically documented their existence) as well as the process of a less adept yogi becoming lighter, swifter, and more nimble.

What evidence do you have that Shiva has created and destroyed this reality an infinite number of times? That hanuman could carry a mountain? That yoga can liberate us from the cycle of samsara?

Devesh Saini

@popctrl The best way to prove is to verify, to experiment. But, the experiment will not be unidimentional(physical) but a multidimentional(physical + subtle) which you have to do using you(self, more than just body), not any mechanical or electronical appratus which are merely physical. There are two ways to do this experiment, 1) By yourself, 2) By guru. In both ways, at one day, you will be successful, but remember when you used your GPS to find a way in an unknown terrain, how much time did it took? Ref - Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev

ram

@sv, first you lay down what you accept as proof, then ask others for proof. When 'scientists' say that there is an asteroid belt between Mars & Jupiter, I don't see you questioning or validating their claims with as much gusto as you do here. You simply believe it without actually seeing it. Many people on this site have given you the tools to verify the proof yourself, but you're either too lazy or hypocritical to attempt them. Do Ashtanga Yoga perfectly for 12 years and you can verify these claims. You study bachelors & masters & Phd for 12 years don't you ? Do same here and see for urself

sv.

04:16

@ram "Do Ashtanga Yoga perfectly for 12 years and you can verify these claims." - there are many yoga and spiritual masters throughout India and everyone has died before the age of 100. To name a few: Swami Vivekananda (died age 39), Swami Chinmayananda (died at 77 after several heart surgeries), Sivananda (75) - you go figure why they died so early. Maybe you think they didn't go yoga correctly (like the priest who didn't follow the rules of yajna correctly so that's why it didn't rain...so find a better priest next time)...so why don't you follow the same books, try it and disprove them?

ram

@sv, what does dying before 100 have to do with this? if you became a yogi today, you still have to face prarabdha karma based on previous actions. Nobody is exempt. If you become PM, you have power to order a nuclear strike. But if you killed someone before you became PM, you can still be put in jail. I don't need to prove or disprove anything. Those who are interested will seek the truth out for themselves.

@sv, If I claim there is an asteroid belt, and someone wants proof, I tell them to go study physics, travel on spaceship and see it for themselves. If I claim there are yogic powers, and someone wants proof, I tell them to do Ashtanga yoga and see it for themselves. I have no burden of proof, because I don't care whether you believe in an asteroid belt, or whether you believe in yogic powers.

The Destroyer

@sv. The yogis aim is to get Moksha, not to live in this world more than 100 years. This is wrong comparison. But there are also some Yogis like Trilanga Swami, the walking Shiva of Varanasi, who lived more than 100 years.

Rickross

@Lan A true yogi doesn't like to be among ordinary human beings. So, they seclude themselves.They disguise themselves as mad or a terrible guy so that ordinary humans don't come near them. There is reason for that but that's irrelevant here. So, its unlikely that an adept Yogi will display his skills just for the sake of doing it . They use whatever perfections they have achieved (by severe penance) for the benefits of mankind.

@Lan But still we have evindences of yogis floating in air there are people who have seen them floating. We get such information from books like this and other books of similar nature.

@Baldrickk I have already provided citations from Shiva Samhita.So, there is nothing wrong in that statement.

sv.

20:33

@ram "what does dying before 100 have to do with this?" - As per SB, one of the siddhis is Sva-chanda mṛtyuh (To die only on one's wish) -- looks like this is not compatible with your "still have to face prarabdha karma based on previous actions". I'll be waiting to listen to your creative explanation on this.

@TheDestroyer "The yogis aim is to get Moksha, not to live in this world more than 100 years." - is that so? "This is wrong comparison." - It is a fair comparison, why not increase your life-span and try for moksha in this very life? If you don't know how all this works, I can understand, you can simply say "I don't know" instead of speculating further.

@TheDestroyer "But there are also some Yogis like Trilanga Swami, the walking Shiva of Varanasi, who lived more than 100 years." - FYI, one French woman lived for 122 years with no yoga, no meditation whatsoever. See below.

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