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00:46

@Willeke Thanks I guess I will do that

Berwyn

08:36

@Willeke I'll return the favour: has->have

Willeke

Thanks. I hope I got the right one/

Berwyn

Well, you got the one that I noticed

What about a black and white striped t-shirt?

pinterest.com/pin/169799848425589747

Willeke

I feel that is mostly a coastal item, I do not remember seeing it for sale even less used in the interior.

But I can add it.

Berwyn

well, I know nothing about traditional french dress if it exists or not. I guess most french would laugh at the shirt though...

oh wait - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marini%C3%A8re

Willeke

Added in that link as well.

Berwyn

08:46

cool. let's see if someone french comments :)

actually shouldn't be t-shirt, just shirt. my mistake

Willeke

I did not add the scarf and the onions, which are really the 'English memory of French guys' .

Berwyn

wikipedia says sweater

Willeke

It does not really matter, they will see a lot of T-shirts as well. But I might take out the T.

Berwyn

like this? ocostumes.com/htc/1661672.jpg

Willeke

Or better the second one.

Not visible in that one is the striped shirt, but they are suposed to be there as well.

motoDrizzt

08:59

What about the baguette under the armpit? Shouldn't it qualify as national costume? ;-D

Berwyn

add it as an answer and you'll get my vote!

(but I'm British :))

motoDrizzt

I'm not sure our French friends would appreciate it :-D

Willeke

I must admit that I more often see French, anywhere in the country, with baguettes, under armpit or in hand.

motoDrizzt

Yes, that's so typical of them :-)

Like getting hit by a bicycle passing with the red light a pedestrian crossing in a pedestrian area in Amsterdam :-D

Willeke

No need to have a red light or a pedestrian area, and all of the country ;-)

I talked about it with my parents, cycling, and they both still do it, at 82-83. And what is more, many of their older friends also still cycle, in their 90's.

motoDrizzt

09:14

Yes, that's an amazing part of your culture!

I want to come again to Netherlands just to go around the entire country by bike

Willeke

You are welcome. It is something I want to do more off.

motoDrizzt

I just have to pick the right season. Last time I came for the Light Festival and ended up in a two days storm, yellow alarm level, and the only one around

It's been a chance to learn that Dutch people, amazingly, do not love bad weather :-D

Willeke

My first cycling holiday, June or early July, on the Dutch west coast was heavy rain and storms for almost all days. And into the wind for 10 out of 12 days of cycling. Put me off for quite a few years. I do not mind going to work or home in the rain, but an all day trip? No thanks.

We do not have a 'dry season' :-(

motoDrizzt

Yes, that's what amazed me...Dutch are not used to it! It's something I've begun to realize in Amsterdam, speaking with people, that there are nations which have some "characteristic" weather...and the people living there still care about it.

In Italy (where I had the misfortune to come from) it can be rainy, it can be sunny, it can be snowing...we just don't care, we go out to take a walk or a ride and just ignore the weather

I was quite alone in Amsterdam, I asked many people inside shops, and all answers were like "yeah, we can't stand cold and rain and wind, so we spend our time inside ur houses"

*our

I was baffled :-D

Willeke

09:35

I do not have that experience. We might not go out for fun if it is a single wet day in a long good weahter period. But we usually do not stay home when it is wet. We would never get our shopping done when it happens to be a wet period.

motoDrizzt

No, ok, for shopping ok, what I mean is just for fun, take a walk...this kind of things

Not going to extremes, obviously :-)

Willeke

I was in France, on the Med coast close to the Spanish border. We had a knot display there, it was a tiny bit drizzly, not enough to close your normal coat, even less to get the real waterproofs out. The locals did not show outside at all. It was one of their 7 rain days for the year.

Berwyn

@motoDrizzt Italians go out with their coats on if it's 30C and blinding sunshine! Does that count as ignoring the weather?

Willeke

I have not been in Italy but what I have seen from the Italians here, they are worse than the Dutch about avoiding getting wet.

motoDrizzt

Ok, one thing first: I was not doing a "pride of" thing, nor judging. There is not wrong or right, I'm just observing cultures and habits, ok? :-)

And obviously is just a rule of thumb

Generally speaking, I've found Italians going around and walking a lot, be it sunny or cloudy, raining, snowing or what. Used to this, I've been surprised quite few times while traveling in noticing that it's not the same in all countries.

So in some countries where I expected people to be more used to their climate, I've often found that they tend to avoid conditions that should be typical

I didn't find this in London, for example, lot of my friends there hang out whatever the weather

In Amsterdam it was rainy and windy, and there was nobody on the streets. I asked to many shops owner and they told me that it's normal, that Dutch avoid to go out when it's bad weather

The same in Bulgaria, for example

Or in Barcelona when it's hot, like 30 degrees. Again, not judging or saying Italian are better (I don't like Italians, and I left the country for a reason)

Willeke

10:00

I think it must have been the wind and the fact Amsterdam is a tourist destination, so fewer tourists and the shop owner indicating that.

motoDrizzt

yeah, that too probably

motoDrizzt

10:51

@Berwyn now, I just now asked a French friend what is their national, traditional costume. As crazy as it sounds, guess what she replied? :-D

Berwyn

baguette?

Willeke

I guess the beret.

Berwyn

What's italian national dress then?

fur coat? :)

Rory Alsop

@Berwyn Newcastle locals won't wear a coat, ever. Even at -10C...

Berwyn

That's a given

Rory Alsop

11:04

:-)

Willeke

11:34

I do not think any of the European countries has a single 'national dress' for the whole of the country. What they often use for the Netherlands is a watered down version of one local tradition.

motoDrizzt

@Berwyn exact answer has been "black and white striped polo, beret, and a baguette in the armpit" :-D

Berwyn

haha

damn. I knew I should've answered it

Willeke

Too late, you allowed me to edit it into my answer. :P

motoDrizzt

aaahahaha :-D

Berwyn

:)

motoDrizzt

11:48

To me, the traditional Dutch costume has always been the one stamped on the small cream cheese I ate when I was a kid :-D

Willeke

There are two or three 'famous' ones, all with big lace caps. Back in the 1950's the costumes were worn by most women in a few small areas, never by the most.

motoDrizzt

Something like this: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/dd/27/98/dd279841c6ae1e41aa65a90033b1b80f.jpg

(cannot find the exact chees one, I think it must be too old)

Willeke

And that is the same for the German and Austrian drisses.

dresses

Modern drawing of the Volendam village wear.

motoDrizzt

:-)

Willeke

Volendam is now a town off 22000 people, but was a vilage with less than 10000 or even much fewer when the dress was worn by most women.

motoDrizzt

11:55

That's my oldest memory of Netherlands. And the a amazingly nice and sweet Dutch girl I knew a summer many years ago..we didn't even kiss, but I still have a soft spot for her. Must be her which started my fixation on Dutch women :-D

Willeke

It was just that many of the unmarried women worked in Amsterdam, as maids, and were seen by tourists. They did wear their traditional costume, as that was a status symbol for the house, being able to pay a maid from that village.

Berwyn

Italian national dress: s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/3a/37/b2/…

motoDrizzt

How many "local national" dresses do you think you do have, in Netherlands?

Berwyn

I see everyone walking around like that

motoDrizzt

aahahahaahaah...I think that must be from Sardinia :-)

Or really South Italy

Willeke

11:58

Depending one when you put the limits, between 50 and non.

When I was in school (30 + years ago) the last few women were still wearing traditional costume day to day. Now I think they are only used for special occations and many of those will not be the old ones but new made that look like them.

Look at the black/white pictures in this search: google.nl/…

Most of the coloured photos are modern tourist versions.

motoDrizzt

@Berwin Italy cannot have one single dress, as it's too fragmented. The rule of thumb is that everyone feels better than the next one, so "I'm" better than my neighbour, our neighbourhood is better than the next one, but both neighbourhoods are better than the one east/north/sud/whatever of them, but the full village is better than the next village, and so on. It's hate spread at all levels, so each village has a different dialect, different traditions, different clothes, and so on.

Willeke, well...time move forward, so it's normal that they are not used everyday, I think. Still, it's nice to see that tradition are cultivated with events and such, IMHO

some are really amazing...I think my grandma still dress like that, but without the white "hat"

Willeke

We used to have traditional dress in places that were isolated. Most because they were on small islands, some social isolation as being a different religion from those around.

Now we do not have that much isolation left.

motoDrizzt

Yeah, you don't have that much natural barriers in your country :-D

Willeke

True

Social barriers were often more important.

@JoErNanO, can you convert an answer to a comment? (the second answer to the French dress Q)

Anybody around that travels by train in the UK more than I do?

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A: Public transport UK

When I plan a journey by train in the UK I use either the National Rail Enquiries website or the Traveline website. With the National rail enquiries you get a list of results for the train tickets. You will see the prices drop when you get to the 'off peak' time. You can either search for a sing...

motoDrizzt

12:20

Sadly, no. My train in London is a constant Gatwick <-> Victoria Station :-D

JoErNanO

12:51

@Willeke Do you have a link to the question?

I know, I'm lazy. :)

Willeke

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Q: What is France's traditional costume?

I like to see, and sometimes buy, traditional clothes when traveling in a new country. Though you seldom see people in poncho and sombrero in Mexico (at least in the Federal District), you can see many people in kimono in Japan, and some people in hanbok in Korea. What about France ? What is t...

JoErNanO

Done.

Willeke

Thanks

Berwyn

Turned out to be well worth answering :)

Willeke

13:09

Indeed, good rep producer.

Andrew Grimm

No more off-topic than asking about skiing in Yemen!

Berwyn

Am a bit baffled at Andrew's answer

oh, hi!

Andrew Grimm

Hi!

Willeke

And my other clothing A of the day may not have give that much rep, it has been accepted.

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A: How can i dry my clothes quickly after rain

The only solution against smelly clothing in the train is making sure that the clothing is clean, the only smell coming of it will be the nice smells that laundry or herbs in storage have added. If they are dripping wet, you can part-dry them with a towel. In some kind of clothing you can do it ...

@AndrewGrimm, does that museum has an online collection?

Berwyn

@AndrewGrimm are you saying that you can wear French national dress in this place in Japan?

Andrew Grimm

13:12

Yes

Berwyn

Ok. Perhaps you could make that a bit clearer

Willeke

What I have seen of 'Dutch national dress' even within the country and certainly outside it, I would not trust any one museum or park to have the proper version for any country.

Andrew Grimm

i did a Lang-8 diary entry about national costumes the other day, and someone asked me if Australia had one. I haven't got around to answering her, but the answer is not really. White Australia doesn't really have one (budgie smugglers? Outback gear?) and Aborigines didn't wear much clothing.

Willeke

Often they have 'a version of traditional dress' not 'the' and if so, mostly watered down so much a person who does wear that dress would be ashamed to be seen in it.

@AndrewGrimm, just like OZ does not have real dialects. It is either a general city or outback accent or local languages which have nothing to do with English.

The USA comes close with Amish and other religious groups, social isolations kept up by the people themselves.

But nearly no colonized countries did have enough isolation within the colony that different local traditions became entranced and strong enough for withstanding the modern times.

@AndrewGrimm, the reason the Alsac village does not change between German and French dress is likely that they wear Alsac or even village specific dress. People in Europe do not wear 'national dress'.

motoDrizzt

https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/94608/why-dont-we-ask-air-travelers-to-choose-their-meal-in-advance

Apart from being wrong, this is totally about airlines and not about travel or problems related to travel. I've got a feeling this should be moved to Aviations.SE

(how the hell do you all post links to question with the cool heading, preview and such???)

JoErNanO

13:26

It needs to be in it's own chat message.

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Q: Why don't we ask air travelers to choose their meal in advance?

I have read that food waste in airplane is unavoidable because airlines companies do not know what passengers will eat and drink. Therefore, they carry more food/drinks than needed (I have found various figures like 110% more, double meals for each passenger,...) and because of strict regulations...

air-travel airlines food-and-drink aircraft

Like so ^

Else the magic scripts don't pick up the enhanced link.

Willeke

You can go to the 'share' at the bottome of the Q, that often works better than the URL.

motoDrizzt

ok

Willeke

I agree with you.

motoDrizzt

thx both :-)

Willeke

Better not here.

Andrew Grimm

13:27

If it turns out to be regional rather than national, I don't think that would go greatly against what the OP wants, though you're free to check. Just so long as it's vaguely authentic and reasonably different.

JoErNanO

Totally unrelated. I've been meaning to post and pin this for a long time so here it goes:

SE FAQ's for reference: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7931/…

Sorry for the interruption, go back to whatever it was you were talking about.

goes back to writing the introduction to the thesis

Willeke

Poor @JoErNanO, take this nice drink with you c|_|

Andrew Grimm

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/…

motoDrizzt

XD

Andrew Grimm

I wouldn't have expected "national dresses" to be "watered down". If anything, I would have expected them to be exaggerated (and/or sexed up) things that are too complicated or impractical to wear.

Willeke

13:38

The Dutch dress what the dress shown as 'national dress' is based on has 25 or so parts, sleeves pinned to the body, three layers of petticoats skirt, apron, silver clamp as base for the lace cap, with its pins, black under cap, lace cap.

Andrew Grimm

When I was in Alice Springs, Aborigines dressed differently from white fellas - they had clothing based on urban cultures in the US.

Yep

Willeke

The dress up version has two or three parts, lace cap and single dress (open at back) which has al other parts sewn on.

Andrew Grimm

Oh wait - the 25 or so parts is the authentic version??

Willeke

Yes, sometimes more.

Some lace caps have 25 parts themselves.

Andrew Grimm

wouldnt that be impractical?

Willeke

13:41

And often the women can not put them on themselves, in families mothers and daughters would help each other. If all daughter have left, neighbours help each other.

Why do you think the dress has gone out of fashion?

And while some traditional dress is cheap, there are many that are rather expensive.

Silver or gold head clamp, that is $$$$ for the metal plus the work to make it.

Hand made lace or at least lace with a lot of handwork to shape it.

Andrew Grimm

But people have become richer, not poorer between times gone by and nowadays.If anything, we'd be the people best able to afford 25 piece outfits.

And people nowadays mainly do indoor work, not backbreaking manual labour that would tear clothing to shreds.

Willeke

Look at the gold in this search:

google.nl/…

Remember that girls were put in this kind of clothing while still to small to walk, growing into the full version while still in primary school

One of the women in a book about it told that she never learned to swim because there was no safe place to leave the gold and beads.

motoDrizzt

Andrew, some of my female friends take one hour and half, every morning, just for showering, hairdressing and make up. The same when back home after work to prepare to go outside for a beer.

We may be richer than in the past, but there are still 24 hours in a day.

Willeke

T-shirt and shorts in summer, sweater and jeans in winter is much easier.

The women in traditional clothing did not always don all parts for working days, and for rough work they might change the skirts for trousers.

In mountain areas, the local dress often had shorter skirts, to avoid having to pick it up to be able to walk, while outside.

Berwyn

@motoDrizzt Seems reasonable. I allow 3 minutes for shower and 2 minutes to get dressed, so a factor of about 20 difference seems to be about right according to my experience

Willeke

13:54

I am not typical, I use ten minutes between leaving bed and leaving the house. (And I am female.)

Berwyn

yeah, but you need 7 minutes to knot a bottle up before you leave

Andrew Grimm

Typical is overrated!

Willeke

No, I dare not touch any string before work, too addicting.

Andrew Grimm

:)

motoDrizzt

lol. Willeke...do you know there are videos on YouTube that teach women from other nations how to dress and appear like a Duth woman, uh? And that the short version of those basically is "jeans, tennis shoes, a shirt, no makeup"? :-D

Willeke

14:00

Almost fits me, I go for sandals, the velcro kind.

motoDrizzt

@Berwyn 3 minutes for shower is too quick even for me :-)

Willeke

No make-up, sure. Have not touched any in years.

motoDrizzt

The epic Dutch sandals :-)

Willeke

No, those are Teva, I wear Chacos.

:))

motoDrizzt

Wasn't there a post, back ago, about Dutch and sandals?

Berwyn

14:02

@motoDrizzt You're Italian. You need additional grooming time allocated

Willeke

Not that I can find, the results page for Sandals does not have the words Dutch, Holland or Netherlands

motoDrizzt

I'm not Italian, I'm a world citizen :-)

Berwyn

you say ahah instead of haha, you're italian!

Willeke

Office job in London?

motoDrizzt

I ceased to be Italian as quickly as possibile, and once began traveling took really few to decide that unless they hurt someone, everybody is basically right.

@Berwyn "lol" :-P

I think I'm much more Italian when I typically forget the subject in sentences...

Willeke

14:51

I feel that this Q need a roll back. The OP is asking about opening an account in the USA, not about accessing their UK account. (Even though the answers give that as the best option.)

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Q: Drawing cash from UK account while visiting US

We’re off to the States, East to West, and I have lots of credit cards etc. but have a problem. We used to have a Citibank account based in the UK but accessible in the States so that we could draw dollars out of ATMs. They are about to close it because we are not rich enough to warrant their bu...

usa money tips-and-tricks

I did try to stop the suggestion, but others let it slip on.

Berwyn

15:32

Asking about airline food is off-topic?

/me rolls eyes

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