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Gayot Fow

06:45

@blackbird still waiting

and @CMaster what .net framework are using?

And ANYBODY: does anybody know if they have a4 pockets stateside? Or alternatively what do they use instead of an a4 pocket? What's the American term for it?

hippietrail

07:19

你好

Gayot Fow

08:01

@hippietrail cool, i bet it would make a great tatoo

CMaster

@GayotFow err, 4.5

although I think I started a project with 4.0 at one point as well

if you can send me the dll of the library you are using

I can probably knock you up an example failry quick

@GayotFow You mean these things right: amazon.co.uk/Tiger-transparent-punched-pockets-sleeves/dp/… ?

THey won't be A4 in the US, they'll be one of their weird sizes (letter or legal or whatever)

just say plastic wallet or holder or something like that

Gayot Fow

@CMaster yeah, those things exactly. I don't think Americans use them like we do.

And on the other thing, I used string manipulation that appears to work. It's not as 'official' as using a scientific method.

I made the delivery yesterday. And now I'm working on it from personal interest because I like the concept for myself :)

Gayot Fow

08:35

Chat room very sparse. @Neanderthal is having a strop and won't be back for a while; and I don't know where @JoErNanO is. My two allies who double check my stuff are missing :(

blackbird

10:29

@GayotFow who's waiting for what ?

Gayot Fow

@blackbird Waiting for you to put an answer in for that Saudi guy

Gayot Fow

10:53

@blackbird then ping me :)

Gayot Fow

11:27

@CMaster travel.stackexchange.com/questions/77488/…

once we get up to about 100 views we can decide to delete it. Right now it has 53, about half-way there.

ok, now deleted

CMaster

Why the need to delete it?

Gayot Fow

@CMaster poor community reception, too broad (1), unclear (2)

blackbird

12:37

@GayotFow but you've already answered that one

travel.stackexchange.com/a/77486/9551 spam ?

CMaster

@blackbird I saw it earlier, but then reread it

it is an answer to the question, I decided to leave it

blackbird

@CMaster I'm still on the fence with A like this

we've had some like that where it was a genuine A but it was promoting some product or website and people flagged it as spam

@GayotFow did you speak to neanderthal offline ? too bad he's away

Gayot Fow

15:11

@blackbird Yes. People were beating him up because he's a Saudi. A low point in the community's life

CMaster

Thats an errr, interesting take on events

Gayot Fow

@CMaster I wasn't there and only have what he said. It was very disappointing to hear what happened.

blackbird

15:27

hm I have to agree with CMaster on this one, that's not quite what happened, even though I sided with neanderthal in the debate

then I tried to mediate and it didn't work

I think it compounded with the other clash on the question of how to pronounce Giza in Arabic

CMaster

My interpretation was that he misread what was said

took it as saying "Saudi Arabia is a poor shithole"

and then went off on one

and any critcism of this atttitude could be dismissed as "racist white people"

Gayot Fow

Were you a participant?

CMaster

minor

I rolled back an edit he made

to remove the mention of SA from the answer

I could see why the answer would be seenas a problem

"The worse the visa regime the worse the country"

but to my mind, that should get the post flagged (and possibly removed)

not just the one example that a user feels close to removed

blackbird

quite frankly I think that post was needlessly contentious, but neanderthal took it personally

Gayot Fow

He's a good lad

CMaster

15:33

as said, I could see why people would dislike the answer

but I didn't like the idea of removing each nation one by one

blackbird

I know he is

CMaster

as an individual got offended to see their faourite nation on there

either it's acceptable to say, or not

but he had it in his head that somehow the answer was trying to say that Saudi was poor (it wasn't)

and that seemed to be the main objection

blackbird

poor as in literally or that it's a terrible place to be ?

CMaster

literally

because the question talked about HDI

nean took the answer as meaning that those examples were low HDI

I don't quite get why

blackbird

the initial wording of the A was "the worst the visa regime the worse the country", and I think he took it as a criticism of the country/people itself not its government

CMaster

15:40

yeah

not entirely unreasonably

Gayot Fow

Bad situation to see judgements like that surface

hippietrail

i asked on MSE whether each site gets to decide their own policy on meta tags if anyone is interested

blackbird

@GayotFow Agree

hippietrail

keep in mind that KSA is an absolute monarchy and the new king is very popular with the people too

so it's quite possible part of normal citizen patriotism to defend their government under such a system

blackbird

I've gotten into serious arguments with Americans over minor criticism of the US

hippietrail

15:45

it would be a far longer far less fun thread were we to have some chinese users who felt we slighted their government in some question or answer here

yep americans are the most patriotic of capitalist democracies that i've ever come across

blackbird

I don't presume to know neanderthal personally, it could be pride or patriotism or cultural, idk, he felt offended and I respect his position (though still disagree with some edits he made, name calling etc)

Gayot Fow

I have seen this also with Americans.

hippietrail

but not the most patriotic of all. you can still have such debates with many americans without it getting heated

Gayot Fow

Brits are the most relaxed when it comes to criticism of our small island

hippietrail

i do know neanderthal personally, not that well, but we got on well. he's a funny guy with an open mind and has lots of stories.

kiwis are more relaxed that britis or aussies. canadians too.

Gayot Fow

15:49

He's a very progressive muslim, and he's a good lad. Also can be hot headed

hippietrail

nationalistic aussies really bug me.

Gayot Fow

Chile has to be somewhere near the top.

hippietrail

i'm sure we can all be hot headed about certain things at certain times. i know i can.

blackbird

near the top of what

Gayot Fow

And don't forget the "Soccer War"

blackbird

15:51

@hippietrail yeah for sure, depends on the topic

hippietrail

chile has been through tough political stuff and recovered pretty damn well. there's a lot they themselves can criticise and there's a lot to be proud of.

blackbird

we could all benefit from more tolerance to dissenting views

hippietrail

who would bother to have a war over a game people say is beautiful but at the end of the day is all about who is best at falling over and pretending to cry?

blackbird

Canada is pretty relaxed I think, though in Quebec you could run into some hardcore folks

Gayot Fow

I have seen American who were genuinely shocked. Gobsmacked

hippietrail

15:52

haha i like quebecers. they hate the english and the french ... and in such a french way (-: and they have poutine!

d'oh i had the wrong adjective in my soccer minirant!

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Q: Are meta tags banned across the board on all Stack Exchange sites or can each site decide if it wants to allow meta tags?

I think it was now six years ago that Stack Exchange told us that meta tags are bad. They convinced me. Up till now we'd managed to keep them off the travel site. Though I suppose a couple of our tags there could have cases brought against them being meta, that had never happened so I think we p...

blackbird

anw, I hope neanderthal decides to come back

Gayot Fow

And Joe also, don't know what set him off

blackbird

his profile says he was here 17h ago

Gayot Fow

@blackbird Joe?

blackbird

yeah, Joernano we're talking about ?

Gayot Fow

16:06

yeah, that fellow

blackbird

JoErNanO, France

35.5k 6 90 167

air-travel legal public-transport visas tips-and-tricks budget customs-and-immigration

idk if that last seen is for travel or the whole network

ah no, seems to be for travel

Gayot Fow

@blackbird in mine it's a ping from my main machine, it doesn't mean I was here

blackbird

yeah I guess it could be fooled easily enough

Gayot Fow

I could die and still seem active

Gayot Fow

16:28

I have never seen the US so polarized

if you say something nice about trump you get unfriended; and if you say something nice about clinton, you get unfriended

blackbird

16:55

sadly that happens before many elections

my gf was telling me the same was happening in Peru before the last elections

I've seen it in France as well

Gayot Fow

We get a covey of asylum claimants every US election. Without fail

blackbird

yeah they also like to say they'll move to Canada if X is elected

though I'm not sure how many more applications CIC actually gets because of this

Willeke