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Buffy

1:27 AM

I am profoundly disappointed. Is the be-nice policy dead?

Because of this: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/79216/…

thesecretmaster

1:56 AM

in Discussion on answer by Buffy: Difficulty of algorithms homework problems, 24 secs ago, by thesecretmaster

I've gone ahead and removed the unnecessary bits of this conversation. You're both entitled to an opinion and to discuss your opinions, as long as you adhere to our Be Nice policy which states that your tone should match the way you'd talk in person with someone you respect and whom you want to respect you. Remember that we’re all here to learn together.

However I'd hesitate to say that the Be NIce policy is dead just based on that exchange. While it could've been nicer, it wasn't exactly egregious.

Also, if you were wondering, chat flags go out to the entire network, which is why a non local mod showed up.

Gypsy Spellweaver

2:12 AM

@Buffy The "Be-Nice policy" is not dead, even when others fail to follow it. No more than the first of the Ten Commandments is dead because someone commits murder. The policy will only be dead when, and iff, nobody follows it and nobody cares that it is not followed.

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Gypsy Spellweaver

3:31 AM

@thesecretmaster For your reading pleasure:

Q: What happens to chat rooms whose parent sites get closed?

Stack Exchange sites can get closed if the become inactive.. The site contents are removed and are available only as data dumps. However, chat rooms have a more liberal retention policy: they are kept permanently if they got at least 15 messages by 2 users. So what happens to chat rooms associa...

As to why you cannot move it, see the last comment on this answer.

A: Can the parent site of a chat room be changed?

Yes, the parent site can be changed. The Pastafarianism chat room has been officially adopted by Area 51. :)

Does seem odd that it's the one thing that can't be done by just any mod.

Though I don't know if it's the sending, or receiving, site that has to be connected. Probably the original parent site mod-ship is needed.

thesecretmaster

Thank you!

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Buffy

9:13 AM

@thesecretmaster A good reason not to use them. That exchange is precisely why I hate social media in general and feel the need to protect my real identity here.

Had I responded with something like "I get the idea that you find it hard to understand simple things" I assume I'd get banned. Other than calling out what I saw as abuse, I think I spoke only to the technical issue.

I feel that the mod that intervened was part of the problem, not the solution.

Sort of "Shut up and go back to work".

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thesecretmaster

11:42 AM

@Buffy Do you feel that the issue has been handled now?

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Buffy

12:57 PM

@thesecretmaster Well, it was "handled". Satisfactory is another matter altogether. I'm still screaming obscenities at the screen if you want to know. I won't repeat them, since it wouldn't be "nice".

skull

1:30 PM

live and learn

Ben I.

2:06 PM

@Buffy Are you doing okay?

Buffy

2:17 PM

@BenI. Personally, yes. But I'm still disgusted here. IMO, the response of @nitsua60 was completely out of line. "Bickering" indeed.

Ben I.

2:29 PM

So, I'm reading through the trashed comments, and I don't think I'm quite seeing what you're seeing.

The lens that I'm viewing it through is that he doesn't know who you are, and you could be a middle school student. He is also unfamiliar with common CS verbal shorthand, so probably his background isn't in CS.

Here, I'll make a private room

Buffy

Sorry, not now. Maybe not ever.

When someone, anyone, has an issue with what I write, I expect them to deal with the issue itself and not (a) question my competence or (b) put words in my "mouth" that I didn't say. For a mod to characterize my responses as "bickering" is not acceptable behavior. The mod, at least, should know better.

It was, IMO, trolling pure and simple.

The first message I got from somewhere in the system, was that my flagging was "trivial" (or the equivalent) and that I should save flags for "important" things IIRC.

Buffy

3:03 PM

@BenI. A private room isn't really "private" in any real sense. I don't feel safe, at the moment, expressing myself openly anywhere on this site. The fact that another mod from a different group (RPG of all things) could intervene is proof of it.

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Gypsy Spellweaver

5:14 PM

@Buffy There are no "private" communications in the SE-system. Less visible to most users, but not private. Privacy requires out-of-band communications. Serious issues, relative to SE itself, can be handled by SE staff using the Contact Us page. Without knowing the missing pieces of the event I cannot say if this qualifies though I don't think it is likely.

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Ellen Spertus

9:35 PM

People might want to comment on this post in Academia Stack Exchange. academia.stackexchange.com/questions/111582/…

Buffy

9:45 PM

@EllenSpertus On the answer you point to, or generally? I mostly agree with the opinion of Jacob... Especially that the TA is out of line.

Talent is, indeed 3rd.

Ellen Spertus

10:02 PM

@Buffy Oops, I didn't mean to point to an answer. I meant the question in general.

Q: Should graduate student TAs tell undergraduates to leave a major?

While I was a TA for an undergraduate CS course, I built up a good teaching relationship with a student who was struggling. By the end of the course, she had turned things around and was performing much better. We hadn't spoken since I was her teacher until she reached out to me about a graduate...