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In reference to Television shows that are about Travelling, I would recommend, and probably you might know about "Globe Trekker"

@O.R.Mapper we can discuss it more here

but I think actually the DB and SNCF websites are comparable

In France the website for regional travel is : sncf.com/fr/trains/ter and asks first which region you are in

you have the timetables, maps, traffic alerts and probably a itinerarysearch engine

And voyages-sncf.com, actually the Online Travel Agency of the SNCF, its main portal for buying train ticket, is like bahn.de, you can search and buy tickets, both national and regional (and some international ones too)

but on the national website, you cannot find the time tables nor maps (either on SNCF or DB's website - at least I have searched it a lot and never have found)

So as you say it is not so much decentralized, only some of the information is made for region-specific. I think the reason is probably the audience. If I live in region X, I don't really care about trains in region Y - except near Paris because it has influence on a wide territory, so nearby regions would tend to have regional trains going as far as Paris

As far as I know, all timetables are available on the main DB website.

I am not aware of any regional DB websites (which implies I have never needed them, as I use DB a lot, in different places).

However, the transportation consortiums of the single regions do have their own websites which is where you would usually go for regional maps (but those are not run by DB).

I just tried to find a connection in one of the regional SNCF websites, and I could find the same connection (by SNCF TER) when directly looking for the connection directly on sncf.fr.

So, the whole timetable seems to be available there, as well.

The regional sites, though, feature extra information on special offers and tourism destinations etc. for the single regions.

Also directly on sncf.fr: Billets & Info trajets -> Horaires & Info trafic en temps réel -> Un horaire en gare -> you can enter any station name there and get all upcoming departures, from all regions (including TER departures, i.e. regional trains run by SNCF).

@O.R.Mapper what I mean by timetable is a document listing all times for all stops on a train line, i.e. the search request is not for a specific origin/destination but for a train line. If it is possible to download a pdf or find a web version of schedules of train lines I would be glad to hear it, for DB. I never found any

Today information is often accessible through these origin/destination requests but in the case of my question I wanted a list of train lines

and on SNCF website, you can find for example the list of all timetables for Intercités trains: sncf.com/fr/trains/intercites/horaires-travaux-lignes

(these are the national non-high-speed trains)

for regional trains, you have to first pick a region before accessing the trains

and it redirects you the the region's website

if you know where on bahn.de I can find such timetables for national/regional trains I would be happy to know about it

Well, the maps are here, both for high-speed (ICE + InterCity) and regional trains (indeed roughly sorted by state, but all on the same page): bahn.de/p/view/buchung/karten/streckennetz.shtml

As far as I can tell based on bahn.de/p/view/buchung/karten/fahrplanmedien.shtml , DB online provides the per-line timetables on paper, as printed leaflets available in the infopoints of train stations in Germany.

thanks

yeah

However, you can use this tool to create an arbitrary timetable for a given date range: persoenlicherfahrplan.bahn.de/bin/pf/query-p2w.exe/dn

And then download the result as a PDF file.

ah cool thanks

The only feature apparently not directly available is a list of stops of a given line (possibly because that is considered an uncommon use case - that someone would want to use a specific line, without having a destination).

But, for a comparison, I am also checking on one of the German regional transportation consortiums' websites, and it doesn't seem to be easy to get a list of stops on a given line there, either (aside from the network map, which, on the level of detail above cities, matches what you can find in the maps section on bahn.de above).

I think you can find the intermediary stops when you do an origin/destination search, but the result is not available for long, not as a persistent web page or pdf file

Yep.

It's not included in the "personal schedule"-generated PDF above.

In any case, looking at the maps from above, especially the long distance ones (e.g. bahn.de/p/view/mdb/bahnintern/fahrplan_und_buchung/… ), ...

... as well as the fact that German railways put a lot of emphasis on individual train numbers, whereas the "line numbers" (that sometimes do exist) are usually hidden for regional trains upwards ...

... has me convinced that in Germany, the idea is that customers do not think in terms of "lines", but in terms of individual, regular (daily, fortnightly, etc.) trains that have a given route.

Which may or may not match the route of any other train during the day.

(As in many cases, travellers will only use a smaller portion of the full route, anyway. Some trains almost zig-zag through the country.)

oh ok i see

The ICE map I linked to mentions regular "lines", but e.g. a line that runs every 4 hours is rather perceived as a set of trains on a similar route with different destinations by travellers.

Sorry for the walls of text. I tend to be somewhat verbose ;)

lol ok

Have a good trip, in any case :)

it'sinteresting

thanks yeah

@NeanDerThal Thanks for the edit on that indonesia question.