Jelly Hypertraining

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Lynn

01:15

Merry Christmas! I wrote some puzzles: foldr.moe/jelly-puzzles

Razetime

01:57

@Lynn Merry christmas.

hyper-neutrino

02:15

merry christmas! looks cool, i'll give them a shot

started earlier; 1-9 were all very easy for me and i'm totally stuck on 10. probably just me being rusty, lol

i have 4 but idk if it's even the right idea since i don't see how i could golf the last bit out

Razetime

02:51

i was thinking jelly's automatic number range thing would do something there

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regarding 4 i forget if that's the thing there's specifically a builtin for or not

never mind i got 4

hyper-neutrino

yes there is lol

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md5 acd89af88c4d4174122663883dc6e2e2

hyper-neutrino

i wonder if any of these have multiple solutions

@UnrelatedString oh? that's not the same as mine lol. 39eb9e8406ba0949b6f8a5cf5aca8924

wait you do mean #4 [-5, -4, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5] right

Razetime

i do not get 1

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02:59

@hyper-neutrino yes

interesting

lyxal

03:13

Ooh number 8 is deceptive

It looks like : from a distance but it's actually ː

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that makes
more sense

lyxal

still relatively easy tho

(number 8 that is)

hyper-neutrino

yeah

lyxal

I'm stuck on 9 though

81ȷ only gets 81000

instead of 81000000

hyper-neutrino

ooh, you have one of the components

lyxal

03:25

I assume that's the ȷ

but idk how to manipulate it from there

any hints?

hyper-neutrino

if ȷ gives you 3 0s by default and you need 6, how can you get that?

lyxal

ȷ6

hyper-neutrino

that's one way, but then you'd need 4 bytes

lyxal

but the problem is the 81 at the front

hyper-neutrino

how can you get from 3 0s to 6 without modifying the literal?

lyxal

03:27

mutliplication?

I so badly want to say "use a flag" but that doesn't exist here ;p

@hyper-neutrino apart from using something like x or ẋ, idk

oh nvm

dang it

i forgor how to math

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal well, yes :P

lyxal

md5: 54cc6e1aadcbf7f809abcc8fb8115329

hyper-neutrino

nice, I have the same

there's technically another solution for this lol

but it's the same idea

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino did you eventually get it?

hyper-neutrino

not yet

been thinking about it on and off

lyxal

03:35

md5: 38a657eab0b7b2213e2c6d04cc4d4a3e

think auto-ranges

hyper-neutrino

i am now wishing i included an auto-range filter on my search tool

lyxal

11 is like super easy

(how to hover spoiler again?)

hyper-neutrino

[shown text](anylink "hidden text")

well i have looked at 11 for 10 seconds and didn't get it yet

i have now gotten it

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino hint

wow

hyper-neutrino

you need the quotes

lyxal

03:38

that's

not spiled

hyper-neutrino

anyway uh

that's kinda awkward

lyxal

for number 10: hint

(updated the hint to make it more helpful)

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal oh i know about that builtin alr

so uh

guess i am missing something probably obvious kekw

lyxal

another hint

hyper-neutrino

ok this is rather close

kek

lyxal

03:45

@hyper-neutrino constantn't

hyper-neutrino

lyxal

read the two hints again but in reverse order

maybe that could help

Razetime

i am really bad at these puzzles

lyxal

hey i should leave a third hint

hyper-neutrino

yeah i think i have an idea how the solution is meant to look i am now just missing the thing in betwee lol

yeah same

lyxal

03:47

hint

hyper-neutrino

i'm not good at just recalling built-ins for a specific behavior

Razetime

this is because i have exactly 5 really trivial jelly answers

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino the last byte is right

it's just how you generate [1, 2] that matters

hyper-neutrino

hover

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino :Ṗ

hyper-neutrino

03:48

ah fuck

i ran through like 8 range builtins but forgot about that

lyxal

lol

hyper-neutrino

yeah i don't often remember autorange when thinking of builtins

like i can remember if a builtin will autorange but am not good at using that to my advantage

12 was pretty easy but that's cuz i happen to recall the special-case behavior of one particular builtin lol

lyxal

which is? (because I'm not at all familiar with janky jelly stuff)

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal it's not really possible to give a great hint here so i'll just explain what the built-in is meant to do: hover

lyxal

m?

because it don't work

hyper-neutrino

03:56

you may wish to review the chaining rules

hover

oh ur hints for p10 made p13 a lot easier

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino dang it I have 5 bytes on that

hyper-neutrino

rip

lyxal

i cri every time

@hyper-neutrino for a moment I read that as Christmas rules

hyper-neutrino

hover

lyxal

and I was like "wait there's special stuff in Jelly on dec 25?"

hyper-neutrino

04:00

lol

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino in 1 byte?

hyper-neutrino

no, 2

lyxal

hover

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal hover

lyxal

ohhhh

right

because if you have the other thing it's niladn't

probably

Razetime

04:03

was thinking m9Ż or something

lyxal

ugh 3 bytes to get [0, 9, 9, 0]

so close but so far

hyper-neutrino

you should be almost there then

lyxal

if only there was a reverse pair

hyper-neutrino

(lol)

lyxal

I take it hover

hyper-neutrino

04:10

i am (lol)ing at your message because you already have the solution lol. you just need to find the code for it

lyxal

wow that's a really tacky solution

hyper-neutrino

kekw

damn jelly has no identity matrix builtin

Razetime

04:22

it's two bytes right

hyper-neutrino

what, 9,0?

Razetime

identity matrix

hyper-neutrino

idk how to do it, i forgot

it's got to be though; you need a 3 somewhere i think

oh i remember now

3 hours later…

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07:52

yeah a lot of these rely heavily on leading nilads in niladic chains

hyper-neutrino

yeah

or avoiding leading nilads to get an implicit 0 right argument

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that too

reminds me i find it funny that i'm testing them all with the footer 50µ¹⁶⁸£Ṅ)ṛ“

like that's a lot of superscripts

oh yeah i just got a 2-byter for 25 lmao

hyper-neutrino

08:33

oh lol

oh yeah same

stuck on 17 rn sadge

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i currently have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 14, 15, 18, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 27, 29, 31, and 32

hyper-neutrino

i have up to 16 + 18, 20, 25, 27

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i don't even know where to start with 17

hyper-neutrino

same

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wait holy shit

i just got it and wow

md5 d2f093942e9bc61cabef5d0478b7fa87

spoiler

hyper-neutrino

08:42

tf is that link

anyway unfortunately after reading the spoiler i have not gotten anywhere kek

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2 hours later…

Lynn

11:19

@hyper-neutrino it would be nice if I could use the keyboard on mobile (on your TIO page) :)

I can't scroll to see the rest. but enabling word wrap seems better anyway

Razetime

@Lynn it's a fixed size premade html table it seems

needs a bunch of changes to expand properly

how does it look in landscape view

Lynn

I think it will only need td { display: inline-block; }

Razetime

let me try that in devtools

hm this seems fine but padding can definitely be reduced in mobile

3 hours later…

Lynn

14:14

@hyper-neutrino That's a great output, I should include it in a future puzzle set!

I just realized there are two nice solutions to [9, 0, 0, 9]. Mine isn't, um, tacky

Lynn

14:30

I created about half of these with a search program that generates and runs random 3-byte Jelly programs, it's pretty wild to watch the outputs

2 hours later…

hyper-neutrino

16:51

@Lynn ah, yeah, I meant to do something about that a while ago. I'll see when I can get around to it :)

I think I will just have two layouts and responsively show the appropriate one based on screen size, since wrapping it around does sort of break the flow and the padding is rather huge

you can't scroll cuz I intentionally hid overflow-x which is overall helpful but here kinda makes it unusable on mobile :(

4 hours later…

Lynn

20:51

cool, thanks!

(I must admit I don't totally understand how it's helpful on desktop, either)

hyper-neutrino

21:30

@Lynn well, since i force a lot of things to be 100 width, if the page is tall enough then the vertical scroll bar takes up space which causes a horizontal scroll bar to appear for the like 10px that get used

which looks wrong

nothing gets blocked by the vertical scroll bar, the 100% width is just for alignment

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