Jelly Hypertraining

caird coinheringaahing

00:53

@HyperNeutrino I'm gonna regret this, but can you give me a challenge to do?

HyperNeutrino

Sure. Let me think of a good one.

caird coinheringaahing

Take your time, I'll just open the 50 tabs needed

HyperNeutrino

Alright :P Wait what ._. I literally need 4 tabs for Jelly

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino I use 5 for strings as well

HyperNeutrino

TIO, Atoms, Quicks, Syntax

:P

caird coinheringaahing

00:55

@HyperNeutrino I have code page, and JHT

HyperNeutrino

Oh right JHT

I just look up the atom by its description and copy it off the wiki pages

CMC: Given a list of numbers, return the list with each number nested that many times.

[1, 2] -> [[1], [[2]]]

[1, 2, 4] -> [[1], [[2]], [[[[4]]]]]

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino 6 bytes

HyperNeutrino

Won't look yet cuz I haven't done it yet :P

Care to join me and Noah back in TNB? oh wait nvm you did already

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino I can teach Noah for now, if you want to try the CMC

HyperNeutrino

Sure, thanks.

caird coinheringaahing

01:10

@HyperNeutrino ⁹²×⁸?

HyperNeutrino

I had ⁴²×³ which is essentially the same thing but yours is technically more accurate because it works with any links, not just with the arguments in the command line. Nice job.

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino thanks!

Back to Hypertraining?

HyperNeutrino

Sure. I should resume working on that CMC I made :P

Grr I feel stupid for not knowing how to do this quickly xD

@cairdcoinheringaahing I can't exactly tell why W⁸¡€ŒṘ doesn't work.

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino I tried that as well, but couldn't get it to work

HyperNeutrino

yeah idk why

does yours use ¡

caird coinheringaahing

01:22

@HyperNeutrino I think its the shortest way with ¡

HyperNeutrino

01:32

@cairdcoinheringaahing got it 5 bytes

caird coinheringaahing

@Hyper clever, I'm on mobile now, so I'm gonna finish the CMC with Noah, then I have to go, ok?

HyperNeutrino

02:04

@cairdcoinheringaahing Alright. Sorry, I had to leave for a bit.

totallyhuman

11:20

@HyperNeutrino sorry mom forced me off of computer

caird coinheringaahing

15:08

@Mr.Xcoder CMC: Fizzbuzz

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing ?

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder generate the first 100 numbers, but if the number is divisible by 3, replace it with "Fizz", if it's divisible by 5, replace it with "Buzz" and if its divisible by both, replace it with "FizzBuzz"

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh, that's tough

Don't spoiler

I doubt I can do that in less than 30 bytes @cairdcoinheringaahing

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder bytecount doesn't matter, just get it working, then golf it

@Mr.Xcoder 143 bytes (because I'm lazy)

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Creative!

Erik the Outgolfer

15:24

@cairdcoinheringaahing invalid

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer why?

Erik the Outgolfer

because the %15 part is never reached

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer You saw nothing

Erik the Outgolfer

also that's very ungolfed

and by that I mean ungolfed python

caird coinheringaahing

9 mins ago, by caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder 143 bytes (because I'm lazy)

(because I'm lazy)

Erik the Outgolfer

15:26

I mean, come on

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder @EriktheOutgolfer Dennis says he can do it in 20 bytes.

Erik the Outgolfer

maybe even

@cairdcoinheringaahing where?

(of course he's dennis)

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer on the Fizzbuzz challenge (haven't seen it, used the leaderboard)

Erik the Outgolfer

he didn't say he can do it, he actually did it

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer can you accept NoahCristino's request so that he can do Jelly here, rather than in TNB?

Erik the Outgolfer

15:30

wait a sec

I'll ask him if he really wants to

Noah Cristino

I'm here

caird coinheringaahing

@NoahCristino when you want to train Jelly, ask in here, not The Nineteenth Byte

Noah Cristino

Ok

Mr. Xcoder

I accidentally generated some intriguing output

Noah Cristino

So the side lengths

Erik the Outgolfer

15:33

ask in here since tnb can be spoiler otherwise basically

Noah Cristino

#
##
###
####
#####
####
###
##
#

are from the args

Mr. Xcoder

  2

  3
  3   4
  3   4   5
  3   4   5   6
  3   4   5   6   7
  3   4   5   6   7   8
  3   4   5   6   7   8   9
  3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10
  3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11
  3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12
  3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13
  3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14
  3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15
  3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16
  3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17
  3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  18

Lol ^

Noah Cristino

³ is the side length right?

Erik the Outgolfer

yes

Noah Cristino

How do you do loops in jelly?

Mr. Xcoder

15:34

You better avoid them

Noah Cristino

oh

Mr. Xcoder

Else you just use golfed Python

Noah Cristino

then how do I do this without a for loop?

caird coinheringaahing

@NoahCristino its easier to make a list, and then vectorize over that list

Mr. Xcoder

Hint: Generate the lengths of each row first

Noah Cristino

15:35

ok

whats vectorize mean again?

Erik the Outgolfer

@NoahCristino there are loops, but, ugh, they're not the best

Noah Cristino

@Mr.Xcoder I see where you're going with this

so my list for 5

Erik the Outgolfer

@NoahCristino caird meant map here

Noah Cristino

would be

caird coinheringaahing

@NoahCristino vectorize is when you do 1 thing to every thing in a list (map in most languges)

Noah Cristino

15:36

[1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1]

ok

Mr. Xcoder

@NoahCristino Correct

@cairdcoinheringaahing that's super hard for me (the Fizz-Buzz one)

Erik the Outgolfer

now how would you convert that to lines?

@DJMcMayhem hi

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder I'm struggling to :P

Mr. Xcoder

Hi

Noah Cristino

@EriktheOutgolfer I think I should generate that list first

then do that next

Erik the Outgolfer

15:37

how would you?

Mr. Xcoder

Hey, why does this error? ³R3,5ḍT€

Erik the Outgolfer

Welcome to our class, Noah Cristino!

Noah Cristino

thanks

‘ is increment

I'll probably need that

Mr. Xcoder

This doesn't: ³R3,5ḍ€

@NoahCristino Not necessarily

Noah Cristino

ok

caird coinheringaahing

15:38

@Mr.Xcoder you're applying € to T, not to ḍ

Erik the Outgolfer

@NoahCristino what's your approach?

Noah Cristino

I need to generate the numbers

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Duh, you're right

Noah Cristino

1-³

then (³-1) - 1

1-5

4-1

in a list

Mr. Xcoder

Do it.

Noah Cristino

15:40

wait

or I could do

Erik the Outgolfer

@NoahCristino like, [1 - x, x - 2, -4, 3]?

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer @cairdcoinheringaahing I've got it at 10 bytes, but I'm sure it could be shorter SPOILERS

Noah Cristino

nvm

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem for the triangle?

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem as I said over tnb it's 5

Mr. Xcoder

15:41

@DJMcMayhem Why do you use the string syntax for only 1 char?

Noah Cristino

J

DJMcMayhem

Because I don't know it :P

Noah Cristino

does Returns [1 … len(z)].

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem ”

Noah Cristino

nvm

Mr. Xcoder

15:41

@DJMcMayhem Drop the opening quote and move the ending one before the character

Noah Cristino

R is Inclusive range [1 … z]

DJMcMayhem

Thankya

Erik the Outgolfer

@NoahCristino correct

Noah Cristino

[1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

is R

DJMcMayhem

How should I try to get rid of the <swap><each>?

Noah Cristino

15:42

with 5 as an arg

Erik the Outgolfer

yep

what's your code for now?

Noah Cristino

R

I can cut off the last element and reverse then append

Erik the Outgolfer

for [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] what would your result be for ^?

Mr. Xcoder

@DJMcMayhem I solved it in 6, couldn't golf further

Erik the Outgolfer

5 bytes requires a trick

caird coinheringaahing

15:44

@EriktheOutgolfer thay all require a trick

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer A master trick, I'd say

Erik the Outgolfer

actually an experience trick I'd say

Noah Cristino

[0, 0, 0]

tio.run/##y0rNyan8/z/u////0YY6CkY6CsaxAA

Mr. Xcoder

How can I get the indexes of the 1s generated by this code: ³R3,5ḍ€?

Noah Cristino

How do I drop the last element of a list

Erik the Outgolfer

15:45

@NoahCristino how would that be useful?

caird coinheringaahing

@NoahCristino "^" means the message above

Mr. Xcoder

@NoahCristino Search for pop

Noah Cristino

oh

Ṗ

DJMcMayhem

@Mr.Xcoder Can I see? I really can't think of any way to make it shorter

Erik the Outgolfer

@NoahCristino correct

@DJMcMayhem avoid the spoiler at first!

Mr. Xcoder

15:45

@DJMcMayhem Should I spoiler you?

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem can I give you a hint?

DJMcMayhem

Sure, that would be good

(the hint, not the spoiler yet)

caird coinheringaahing

this works on numbers

Erik the Outgolfer

that's the trick...

DJMcMayhem

Oh wow

Mr. Xcoder

15:47

@EriktheOutgolfer I used it and have 6 bytes

Erik the Outgolfer

can I see?

Noah Cristino

so many built ins

Erik the Outgolfer

I think I know the reason

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer Could you update my level in the catalog?

Noah Cristino

you don't see the one you need

Mr. Xcoder

15:48

@EriktheOutgolfer Oh, I think I found the solution

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem I thought you haven't done any programs thought ;)

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem sure I updated to 1 (first jelly program in here)

DJMcMayhem

I've done at least 10-15...

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer here I have 6 bytes

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer you still need to add Noah.

Erik the Outgolfer

15:49

@Mr.Xcoder yep that's the reason

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'll do in a bit

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer I should use inconsistent values, right?

Noah Cristino

#×ŒḄ

doesn't workkkk

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mr.Xcoder does anything take an unexpectedly large proportion to your program?

@NoahCristino # is nfind...not sure why you'd need that

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer The string

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer think he thought it would act as a string

Erik the Outgolfer

15:51

@Mr.Xcoder can you solve the problem?

@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah me too

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer Trying to map

Noah Cristino

ya caird

It's not in the atom list

Erik the Outgolfer

github.com/DennisMitchell/jelly/wiki/Syntax

caird coinheringaahing

@NoahCristino what isn't?

Erik the Outgolfer

atom isn't the only list

@cairdcoinheringaahing 1-char literal probably

Noah Cristino

15:51

oh

Erik the Outgolfer

you can go over rules & resources there are links to all of the lists there

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer 5 bytes

DJMcMayhem

OK, so here's a question. How does <nilad><dyad><monad> get parsed? Would that compute dyad(nilad, monad(a))? (where 'a' is the first argument)

Erik the Outgolfer

yep that works

DJMcMayhem

Then why doesn't spoilers work?

(even if I remove each)

caird coinheringaahing

15:54

@DJMcMayhem check the error message

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer How can I get the indexes of the 1s in this list: ³R3,5ḍ€?

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem there's a similar atom you should be using instead

Noah Cristino

how do I multiply by a string

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder T

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mr.Xcoder T of course

ninja'd

Mr. Xcoder

15:55

@EriktheOutgolfer Thanks

Erik the Outgolfer

that is, well, if it only has 0s and 1s

@NoahCristino ẋ (btw searching is beneficial you don't have to ask every time this way)

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing That doesn't help at all

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah it doesn't help much

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem yeah I can't teach

Noah Cristino

I have #ṘẋŒḄ

but #Ṙ

isn't a string rep of #

Mr. Xcoder

15:57

@cairdcoinheringaahing @EriktheOutgolfer How exaclty should I use T?

caird coinheringaahing

@NoahCristino use github.com/DennisMitchell/jelly/wiki/Syntax

Mr. Xcoder

I don't know where to place it.

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder [1, 0, 1, 1]T => [1, 3, 4]

Noah Cristino

k

Mr. Xcoder

@NoahCristino Hint: Use CTRL / CMD + F

Noah Cristino

15:58

“#”ẋŒḄ

outputs #########

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer I still don't understand why my version doesn't work. I've tried the other atom, but it gives the same result

Could you just explain what causes the error?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing ³R3,5ḍ€T yields [1,2], although ³R3,5ḍ€ is

[[0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0], [0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0...]]

. Wait, why is it nested?

DJMcMayhem

It is <nilad><dyad><monad>, correct?

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem must be something with chain breaking

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