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@GaurangTandon I think it is fairly organised already - we have a nice workflow and when things get posted they (eventually) get deleted, although I must apologise for making Martin pick up the slack... What could be helpful though is if we, as a team, chose one particular query to focus on - as you can see there are some of those in the room description, but as you've certainly found out there are lots of possible queries that would bring up a list of, shall we say, less stellar questions.
We're undoubtedly making slow and steady progress, but when everybody is working on something different, I guess this progress is not readily visible. So maybe it would be good for us to just focus on one bite-sized query at a time, something like 100-odd questions (and it would be a morale booster too when we finish one of those). I guess that's what you had in mind when you said 'organised'?
00:47
@orthocresol yep, agreed
@orthocresol your new edit brought that question to life! :D
@orthocresol yes, definitely, that can be a start
we can pin the query at the top
01:31
I feel we can get the maximum output by deleting out the bad stuff tagged [homework]. These days my primary will if any is to get the homework tab off our homepage (just view the site in incognito mode, the homepage shows [homework] as our top tags. yikes!)
over time, as questions about thermodynamics, everyday-chemistry, experimental-chemistry, electrochemistry increase, they'll displace [homework]. however, we can accelerate that by getting bad homework questions deleted first
 
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02:57
Yup, sure.
 
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08:08
Anyone interested in testing the beta version of the Citation Helper?
Have a look at the trailer: https://www.useloom.com/share/6b706826b2c04e2f929e2c339643ee72
I've tried to make it as robust as possible. There are only two bugs remaining to my knowledge, for which I am awaiting a reply from the concerned people involved on the internet, but the main citation generator is working fully.
It's a userscript so I believe any Chrome or Firefox user may want to give it a start?
 
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12:44
@GaurangTandon Nice!
Found a couple of bugs with this.
thieme-connect.com/products/ejournals/abstract/10.1055/… pasting this as the link doesn't work, but pasting it as the DOI works. Also, the author's name is capitalised wrongly. I know that can be a tough one to fix and I reckon there could also be a potential problem with chemical formulae, e.g. HCN will be re-capitalised to Hcn if the article title is converted to title case.
same with this sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0040403918304623: pasting the url doesn't work but the doi does
Additionally there is a mistake with the abbreviation for that, it should be Tetrahedron Lett. not Tetrahedron Letters
Also, bonus points if there is a way to automatically renumber the references properly. Right now if you have two references [1] [2] and you insert a third one between them, it comes out as [1][3][2]. Ideally the new reference should become [2] and the old [2] should be renumbered to [3]. Although I don't know if that is possible.
13:15
@orthocresol thanks :D
for the first part: hmm the problem with `paperWeb` URLs (as I call them) is that I have to _manually_ incorporate them into my code for each instance, so it's a lot of `if-else` conditions, like this:

if (/wiley/.test(URL)) {
return // DOI easily
} else if (/springer/.test(URL)) {
return // crude match condition to extract DOI
}
else if (/sciencedirect/.test(URL)) {
// lots of stuff to convert the given PII to DOI....
return "10.1016/" + doi;
} ...

I think you get the idea. I am still looking for a better method though. Do you have some suggestions?
@orthocresol for the second part, yeah, that's a problem I have. For the article title I have it set in a way that it should convert the title to title case ONLY if it is entirely in ALL CAPS (example), . Otherwise, it should remain as it is, un-touched (example), to avoid messing up chemical names.
But I just ran title case on author names without such a check; i guess this can be fixed easily with a similar check
@Martin-マーチン
@orthocresol
I assume you did read my private reply? Why am I still in the penalty box?
@orthocresol wow :( from what info I found on the internet, Elsevier DOIs can be constructed from the PII like so - "Sxxxx-xxxx(yy)zzzzz-c" (S can be upcase/lowercase/absent altogether) (example). But this one has an entirely different DOI. I'll have to investigate a bit more.
@orthocresol for that I have set a mechanism that uses the separate list that I'd earlier told you about; it requires a one time execution on the user's side of a very large file; so that i'll share later
@orthocresol ahh nice thought. it's tough though. I'll see how I can handle that correctly.
thanks for your feedback :D
14:13
@GaurangTandon You're welcome. Remember it doesn't have to be perfect upon release, it already has a lot of functionality.
@orthocresol yeah :)
@AnuragBaundwal You were suspended because of a consistent pattern of being rude to other members of the community. The fact that you still don't acknowledge this indicates to us that you need a period away from the site to reflect on your behaviour and how it impacts other people. On Stack Exchange we expect people to at least have a modicum of respect and courtesy towards others. If you can do this, then you are welcome back after your suspension ends. That is all we will say on the matter.
14:52
@orthocresol In all but one case, there was no swearing ("asshole"). Besides, in all cases, even if I did get angry, my anger was justified. There was no baseless trolling. However, I will try just ignoring and flagging users that I get angry with in the future. Hence, I request you to put me out of the penalty box or at least shorten the time. Thanks.
15:25
@GaurangTandon this almost makes me want to learn JS
::deleted-ortho Roomba can't be activated on this one: chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/42742/…
This is a strange one that I don't think is bad, but isn't chemistry, double but I'm not finding anything on Physics.SE: chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/20157/…
:: deleted his "answer" Uncle Al alert: chemistry.stackexchange.com/q/10197/194
Sir, I still think you shouldn't answer a homework question directly. In this case, maybe you should have provided links of online tutorials. — M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ Feb 9 '15 at 20:19
I've read all the comments and apparently the student has a problem to figure out how to proceed to solve this exercise. So, I decided to solve this classical exercise to him, as a role model. So, he can solve similar ones. And I tried to clarify obscure points for him, step by step, as I usually do with my students, so that he can solve harder exercise on his own. I hope I persuaded you! Thank you. — Yomen Atassi Feb 9 '15 at 21:05
:(
Ok, I activated Roomba on a few. I'm out of votes for today because I wasn't thinking
15:45
@pentavalentcarbon haha :) JS is too powerful than this, and I am only using it in its minor capacity. though, for the time being you can always instead just ping me with a new feature-request ;)
@pentavalentcarbon vote to delete
@pentavalentcarbon vote to delete. can be replaced by CP proposed (chemistry.meta.stackexchange.com/a/3700/5026)
@pentavalentcarbon i don't recall the exact rules but i hope the roomba activated was a monthly/weekly one but not yearly?
@pentavalentcarbon we should rather reopen it instead. The OP has a misconception and it is worth clearing. the closure seems unwarranted. thoughts?
@pentavalentcarbon maybe we can keep this on standby as an example for a future canonical post on the Henderson-Hasselbach equation, and just mark it as duplicate in the future
16:02
@GaurangTandon That userscript you told me about tells you when it will be activated, if it can be. All of the ones I triggered will be wiped today, because they're very old questions.
agree with everything else
@GaurangTandon I really don't think I should be the one to write them, but I can keep track of the links/notes if you aren't already
@pentavalentcarbon yeah, I was on <userscripts> mode. So, couldn't write any canonical post. I'll try in the next two days.
Also, now that you're here, have a look at:
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Q: Comment keyboard shortcuts

Gaurang TandonAbout This userscript adds keyboard shortcuts to StackExchange comments. The default ones are: Ctrl+B (bold), Ctrl+I (italic), Ctrl+K (code), and Ctrl+L (link). You can yourself extend this with more custom Ctrl + single_key shortcuts as required (Ctrl+U can give UNICORNselectionUNICORN ;) ). ...

That looks nice but doesn't solve my current problems
@pentavalentcarbon ...you had problems with SE comments?
No, I need to figure out how to get my keyboard map and keyboard shortcuts on Linux like I have on macOS
the fact that SE overrides certain shortcuts is very irritating for me, but I almost always edit outside of the webpage anyway
16:14
For example: Ctrl-k inserts typewriter text on all platforms, but in most other text fields on a Mac, it does kill line from cursor, because the OS uses a library behind the scenes that has the same keyboard shortcuts as Emacs
So while all the standard cut/copy/paste/save/etc. shortcuts use the super key (unlike Windows/Linux), control behaves like my text editor...this is unbelievably convenient
Any text box that doesn't do this drives me crazy
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Q: AutoHotkey Equivalent for OS X?

Meer BorgIs there an equivalent product/method for AutoHotkey. For those that don't know, its a product that allows you to program your mouse movements and keyboard. This allows me to "macro" certain functions on programs instead of having to do it manually. In the old days they used to call them keyboard...

you really need to have a look at this --^
just remap all those crazy macros on the Mac with your own
I am being unclear
I need to figure out how to configure my Linux environment to behave the same way as a Mac
never thought I'd say that...
y'all who do work on Windows boggle my mind
Windows is good though
a mac is pretty expensive in my country though
16:23
I mean why not use Linux, especially if you're a developer
I wouldn't advocate for a new Mac at this point
hmm, i'm yet not an official dev, and this Windows installation carries over from the past one on which I used to play games; didn't buy a new PC yet, so...
Ya, makes sense
"official dev" is BS, by that logic I'm not one either
yah right
I am on board with removing any effort based policy, but to handle homework vampires like these - archived question - we would probably need one canonical post per elementary reaction type, and then mark the question as duplicate of all those elementary reactions involved. <convenient-self-note>
This question has a convenient Roomba - but I do not want this question to die, because I find the question useful, especially once the effort closure policy is gone. Agreed?
16:42
@GaurangTandon wait what
The homework policy is being killed?
@AvnishKabaj I meant: if and when it gets killed. whether that happens the next month or the next year, that i don't know. and it's definitely not being killed atm, so you can relax.
please downvote answer and initiate Roomba: chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/16247/…
@GaurangTandon There are a bunch of versions of this, we need to collect a few...there is definitely at least one that writes out the full matrix expression(s) and explains that sometimes the problem is overdetermined (multiple solutions)
@GaurangTandon Again, need to find dupes
@GaurangTandon I already did
@pentavalentcarbon I too thought of that, but that matrix question is different because it attempts to find a full solution to the equation, the question in this case only wants a relation between two coefficients
@pentavalentcarbon :( i too am out of votes. @AvnishKabaj are you there? please help chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/45070746#45070746
@pentavalentcarbon sure, but if we don't have any, then this one is the original ;)
@GaurangTandon I think the best possible canonical would not only have multiple levels of "difficulty" and different problem-solving strategies, but it would explain how they're connected.
That last part can be difficult...it needs some insight
16:51
@pentavalentcarbon it is at the risk of becoming too broad though. those different parts (or sub-parts) would probably need to reside in separate posts, so new questions can be marked as duplicate of those sub-parts as well.
or maybe I think this discussion would make more sense once we have the CP posts to begin with
17:26
@GaurangTandon done
@GaurangTandon agree on both
 
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@pentavalentcarbon not quite sure what to do about this one. I think it can just generally be rewritten into something like "Does light (or electromagnetic radiation) of different wavelengths travel at different speeds?" At the same time it really isn't about chemistry.
@pentavalentcarbon here is the best Q/A on balancing equations which I can find: chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/10021/… [cc @GaurangTandon]
21:48
A bunch of stuff is closed as a dupe of that one, which is encouraging
time to look at all the related ones
:: deleted || This won't get Roomba'd: chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/83232/…

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