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dzaima

02:35

\o/ v2!
https://tio.run/##pVbdbhNHFL7fV@BmPHaF7c16vKItpN4sJgkERQXTGggiCe7GHtsb1rvuer0uCkaoSFGRqoK4iNpeNIrUVv2hFyByUZXemHvyDvsC8Abpmdlf1wmE9uzOzPn5zndmZmftrWumq/X2911LbyCSlzYkCaXbn6auSWV06Ub7zp1r5XJxHhXncdv1ndfbSLz2AcIXUhcQNfQmulCZQ9XKPKX2ucxQBFnOE0Ks7oqAiIjSMKxpPWpqHYpwJmtTrWHo5k1EurZVJ5kMoV/QHL5tU7f0kaIcP1s5dxylVXVFkEWgQRNSWRFIHh1rteoLHf3qsevXS5ZlYcNawKXTM8X3qilZBoeCVUXFQrpBm7pJURXP4SCfkDNCWm9CANVq9a7R77FGiCGgZjZXSpYiRAeoWTf6DarUe05Dt1RC6glWUQReQqiAdNNJThdKU7OhNyPXSiGuWpldnKvVkpOTqKs7dbq4VgkTBdTRdDOb2@jaQN3MVnMkTwKX3ulatoNgQgU@qRKex4WBrTuU5POkNCT5oSKoCLmDJRDeLQ2YMXh3ZWkQS0QWDtGY1MaNMf8hniO…

Zacharý

02:47

WOOHOO

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BMO

16:48

Someone post a new language :(

We can't let this die..

Zacharý

We still have a lot of time left...

BMO

Yeah, I know but I have a new one and am working on another one ;)

Zacharý

Wait, you posted last, right?

I'm just gonna wait to ask about using different versions of C/C++, but let's not use any feature that gives the language version...

BMO

@Zacharý Yeah :(

Zacharý

I would add Braille: but Symbolic Brainfuck and Charcoal keep f**king it up.

BMO

16:58

Btw. on V,\/,V (FMota): What do you suggest would be the right language name?

Esolangs: It is called V after the sequence of instructions \/

However TIO calls it \/ and the Esolangs' title is V (FMota) :S

Zacharý

IDK, I'd say either \/ or V, and for just plain V, V is fine also. But I would wait for @FreezePhoenix's word

BMO

Pure code (not taking into account of introducing it to the polyglot) is 53 bytes for V and 81 for \/

(that would be my other one, the current one which I already know how to introduce (easy) is evil)

I chose evil because it's the only language on Esolangs which is a proper word (not just abbreviation or letter) when reversed :D

Zacharý

> Braille is a language that uses the Unicode braille symbols as its commands. Because it uses a hacky parseing method to find the braille symbols any character that starts with an E2 byte will be interpreted as a command, but If it is not a braille character and gets to execute it will cause a crash

No wonder my code wouldn't work... and I don't have anywhere else to put it

BMO

Well Charcoal and Symbolic brainfuck don't go well w/ it..

And putting it before isn't an option either: Your program must run without errors

I guess crashing counts as error, lol

Zacharý

Speaking of that ... we might have f**ked up somewhere

Who added functoid again?

> Type mismatch

But let's just leave it.

BMO

17:09

@Zacharý I did, however that one is fine (printing to stderr only)

These fucked up: 2,4,7 and 32

tio.run/##rTvbcttGls/…

Zacharý

What do you mean by "these fucked up"

BMO

Non-zero exit code..

This is a mess -.-

Zacharý

Let's wait for either FreezePhoenix (to approve of different versions of C & C++) or NieDzejkob (to add another language).

BMO

Oh well, 2,4,7 have non-zero exit code but their Hello, World! example on TIO doesn't and w/ 32 even that example has a non-zero exit code (a different one though)..

What should we do about all of this?

@FreezePhoenix ^

Zacharý

You can't ping him here...

BMO

17:35

@Zacharý Why's that?

Zacharý

He hasn't been in this room.

SnoringFrog

18:14

@Zacharý Honestly, I don't know how we ever got to 100. That seemed pretty unattainable for some time. I do know that whoever solved our Python 2/Unicode problem basically opened the doors for us to dump 20+ languages in relatively easily though.

Zacharý

@SnoringFrog That sounds like us with switching the Befunge-93 interpreter, or otherwise we'd be restricted to a bounding box

SnoringFrog

For a while we were saving Cubix until we were "almost out of languages" because we were concerned with how hard it would make future changes. Cubix was language #46

Zacharý

We got lucky with funge spam, and might do the same thing with the C/C++ versions

D makes it hard to polyglot with practical languages: there are no macros in D, the only saving grace is a lack of backslash line splicing.

@SnoringFrog Starting out with D makes python impossible, I think

SnoringFrog

18:50

Not quite there, but I think this is the right approach
https://tio.run/##fVPNbttGEL7zFXIZDRWEFLVaCUFqK6LXjOxEbQpDSeUWhmWZoKmltDZFqhTFulUYoC9QAz0VPTTopUCL9FKg5wJ5FD1B3sBdiqKswkCHXO7OfN98O/vD4e2t6zuzGbThKXQvLrkbA6WLFBBRWaRKEooh0ApZEALq@IvSCbHg1fn47dsTy6ofQv0Qx0kePB2DcfIE8Kh0BNwXHhx1D6DXPeQ8elFODWn9CqX0TAFqgCq7C2fGA2fCActaxJ2hL4IroNModGm5TPk11/FNxJPWU9N89Lz74hGojJ0pDUOKwD3rnim0Ag9GI7czEV89OD1thWGIftjB1v5e/WGv1GjIgInMZKioQ@6JgEMPD3CdT@kzRRWeBMC23ak/n2WNUl8BT9Nb21NRKiQ1cP35kJvuLB6KkFHqbqkahtSllCsggni7XDk1D4bC24TOanezdtsvD2x7uzjCExG7/PKiWyQqMHFEoOmLaSSlPa2n0wpdh8RkGkYxyIJqq6JaeIi1byIRc1qp0FZKK6m…

That works in D, and gives an error for the unterminated docstring in python (because I didn't bother finding a place to close it: that seems like an easy enough part to figure out if you're actually working in it)

Zacharý

@SnoringFrog Freedos will bark at you, probably...

It might be possible to do a Python-D polyglot, but probably not added on to our current solution.

SnoringFrog

shrug I was just trying to get Python and D cooperating in hopes of giving a starting point. I don't know what all you're using, and I also don't know D at all lol

Zacharý

Woah: never thought of using class before, that might work for a separate polyglot.

SnoringFrog

I'm not really sure why Python is ok with the // there, it complained pretty much any other time it came across it. I was kinda just throwing things in random spots to see if anything would work lol

Zacharý

19:09

@SnoringFrog Yeah, I'm testing a D-Python polyglot now... the problem is that there are no classes that work with in both D and Python. Types can't be used as a base class...

Never mind: str works...

Once the SyntaxErrors go away: TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for //: 'type' and 'str'

SnoringFrog

19:23

Hmm...

Zacharý

19:41

I did it... I polyglotted D and Python

Here

SnoringFrog

Nice! I was still hung up on trying to get class to work, myself

Zacharý

Now, to try to fit C and/or C++ and/or Objective-C in there...

SnoringFrog

Good luck

I've never been much good at polyglotting with C

or with practical languages in general, really lol

Zacharý

Macros are your friend ... which is why D is not good for polyglotting with other practical languages

Zacharý

20:29

Yeah, no, it's not gonna work...

I can do D/C/C++/Objective-C because backslash. Python/Ruby/C/C++/Objective-C because #... but trying D/Python/? is just not gonna work...

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Zacharý

22:37

Hey, another one!

SnoringFrog

Yep, just trying to test Canvas still. Can't get even the Canvas answer to work in the online interpreter though

Zacharý

Which one ... TIO or Browser?

SnoringFrog

dzaima.github.io/Canvas/?dev Canvas says it has to be tested there

Zacharý

There's a TIO, we haven't updated the template.

SnoringFrog

Oh, didn't notice that. Sweet. Looks like it checks out, so we're good.

Zacharý

23:07

#41 is done [by @SnoringFrog]

BMO

23:45

Since evil has been posted (which was quite .... evil, lol) I did V => #42 done

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