Polyglot Development - 2018-07-03

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NieDzejkob

00:01

have a look

instead of variables, use files, and use the cmp command

Zacharý

Good.

Zacharý

00:37

I'm now trying to fit brain-flak into the test harness...

facepalm

The language's name is brain-flak, not brian-flak.

All that work for nothing.

@NieDzejkob why did you make your funge code so compact?

Once BrainFlak is on there: adjusting Somme is going to get harder, along with the brainfuck parentheses balancing

Zacharý

01:06

17

@NieDzejkob, good luck!

1 hour later…

Feeds

02:16

DJMcMayhem has unfrozen this room.

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A: Add a language to a polyglot

207. Haskell with ApplicativeDo, 9990 bytes "Click 'Run code snippet' for a 'Try it online!' link."; h='https://tio.run/##7L1bbyPNkhj4LHr/wb6kivqapHgtUqR4EdlN3VrqVktqXVrdLfFjF8kiWVKxil1VlEip9eHMeDHr4/GDPZ4djD1rnzPjXew8GNjBYh9seBYLeF6NgX/DN0@LwQLnH5yNiMwqFi9Sq79zzq4XMCWy8hIZmRkZGRmRt2oodvfXvw...

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A: Add a language to a polyglot

208. Pyret, 9990 bytes "Click 'Run code snippet' for a 'Try it online!' link."; h='https://tio.run/##7L1bbyPNkhj4LHr/wb6kivqapHgtUqR4EdlN3VrqVktqXVrdLfFjF8kiWVKxil1VlEip9eHMeDHr4/GDPZ4djD1rnzPjXew8GNjBYh9seBYLeF6NgX/DN0@LwQLnH5yNiMwqFi9Sq79zzq4XMCWy8hIZmRkZGRmRt2oodvfXvw7ihx2a@qijmw5zVNthLUu...

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A: Add a language to a polyglot

209. Haskell with NumDecimals, 9977 bytes "Click 'Run code snippet' for a 'Try it online!' link."; h='https://tio.run/##7L1bbyPNkhj4LHr/wb6kivqapHgtUqR4EdlN3VrqVktqXVrdLfFjF8kiWVKxil1VlEip9eHMeDHr4/GDPZ4djD1rnzPjXew8GNjBYh9seBYLeF6NgX/DN0@LwQLnH5yNiMwqFi9Sq79zzq4XMCWy8hIZmRkZGRmRt2oodvfXvw7i...

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A: Add a language to a polyglot

210. Haskell without MonomorphismRestriction, 10035 9977 bytes "Click 'Run code snippet' for a 'Try it online!' link."; h='https://tio.run/##7L1bbyPNkhj4LHr/wb6kivqapHgtUqR4EdlN3VrqVktqXVrdLfFjF8kiWVKxil1VlEip9eHMeDHr4/GDPZ4djD1rnzPjXew8GNjBYh9seBYLeF6NgX/DN0@LwQLnH5yNiMwqFi9Sq79zzq4XMCWy8hI...

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A: Add a language to a polyglot

211. Haskell with MonoLocalBinds, 10000 bytes "Click 'Run code snippet' for a 'Try it online!' link."; h='https://tio.run/##7L1bbyPNkhj4rPL@g31JFfU1SfFapEjxIrKburXUrZbUurS6W9LHLpJFsqRiFbuqKJGt1ocz48Wsj8cP9nh2MPasfc6Md7HzYGAHi32w4Vks4Hk1Bv4N3zwtBgucf3A2IjKrWLxI3f2dc3a9gCmRlZfIyMzIyMiIvFVDdbq/...

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A: Add a language to a polyglot

212. Strict Haskell, 10120 bytes "Click 'Run code snippet' for a 'Try it online!' link."; h='https://tio.run/##7L1bbyPNkhj4LHr/wb6kSH1NUrwWKVK8iOymbi11qyW1Lq3ulvixi2SRLKlYVV1VlEip9eHMeHHWx@MHezw7GHvWPmfGu9h5MLCDxT7Y8CwW8LwaA/@Gb54WgwXOPzgbEZlVLF6kVn/nzK4XMCWy8hIZmRkZGRmRt2rKdu83vwnhhx0a2qirG...

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A: Add a language to a polyglot

213. TapeBagel, 10150 bytes "Click 'Run code snippet' for a 'Try it online!' link."; h='https://tio.run/##7L1bbyPNkhj4LHr/wb6kSH1NUrwWKVK8iOymbi11qyW1Lq3ulvixi2SRLKlYVV1VlEip9eHMeHHWx@MHezw7GHvWPmdmd7HzYGAHCz/Y8BgLeF6NgX/DN0@LwQLnH5yNiMwqFi9Sq79zBusFTImsvERGZkZGRkbkrZqy3fvNb0L4YYeGNupqhsMcxX...

Zacharý

02:35

Note: the upcoming imports are about this challenge

7 hours later…

NieDzejkob

09:59

@Zacharý this time it's not a funge. Your turn

6 hours later…

Zacharý

15:34

Oh, by the way, Polyglot development is open. @NieDzejkob

Zacharý

15:45

And most of the messages might get moved there.

Zacharý

16:19

@NieDzejkob, why do you need the ggc?

@NieDzejkob, why do you need the ggc in your code?

Speaking of that, can you explain what you did to the vim portion?

What did you do the the Vim portion?

NieDzejkob

Sorry, I forgot I had to do that when writing the explanation

I've edited in a paragraph

Zacharý

Thanks!

Dang you: why couldn't of it have been Trefunge-97, now I can't stick any more funges.

Time for brainfuck derivatives.

NieDzejkob

why not?

also, how would you distinguish Trefunge-97?

Zacharý

IDK...

:-egnufeB<NULL> is what it prints out

NieDzejkob

actually, I have an idea

it probably does that because G consumes more arguments

Zacharý

16:31

Ohhhhhhhh, good idea... and then we could just take turns doing all those befunges...

NieDzejkob

before funge-98 there's also 2y, which pushes the cursor coordinates

I suppose that's easier

Zacharý

Or not, because if we add a line in there, it'll get all kinds of messed up

I'm trying to comprehend your funge portion...

And it prints different things in Trefunge-97 when isolated than the entire program does

NieDzejkob

16:48

you'll need more than two lines for funges anyway

BMO

@NieDzejkob: I just added Haskell, however I'm struggling w/ FreeDOS.. Can you help me out?

NieDzejkob

@BMO no problem. What do you need help with?

Zacharý

._. okay no more messing around with befunge-97.

BMO

(TIO link is too short), here's a pastebin link of it: pastebin.com/0Y51ZzST

Zacharý

If you want to add that after he does Haskell, go ahead.

too *long

BMO

16:57

@NieDzejkob: Well the interpreter seems to not know, the instruction 0x75

NieDzejkob

what did you change in the DOS code?

why the \x07 unprintable?

BMO

One sec.

Zacharý

Three's a party, huh?

oh no ... not another one I can't test ._.

BMO

Basically I used this asm code: pastebin.com/W4cNgf04

Oh and also I have no idea whether I need to use jnz skip or jz skip, what are the flags inititially set to?

NieDzejkob

how does a haskell comment look?

Zacharý

17:01

-- IIRC

BMO

-- one line comment and {- multi \n line \n comment -}

Zacharý

Well, ping me when you guys are done

NieDzejkob

so you want a {- in the DOS code?

BMO

I did that already, yeah

But I'm not sure whether to use jnz or jz to jump over the useless section and the interpreter doesn't swallow my code :(

NieDzejkob

I think it will be easier to do it this way:
https://tio.run/##rRrbctNI9jn6hXlp5ICkWLJsB0JwbE/uwA6QFIEZFsd4ZKlli@ji0iWxCZmq/YH9gP2A/YN93qr5lPkR9pzulixfgKndDcTu7nPtc@2WMrSS8ZcvFXLgOMQidGRlo9B6QdIIZpPIn438KCUpTVIytuKQJgkZzsgrjx5/oh@voqFUIUeR71uThBL5KHKoTKzQIfJBPMoCGqaJTBJqp14UJsSNYjKkaUpjQqcTGns0tKkk2VZKusQGWskPiZGwIfuoDV1SIYfUzcIRNZ5sS2mU2WMyiT1gLIFozyWzKCMW6p4L1ElgXVGSZDHFXQSR47kzAhrUJjOSRCQdg7x0TGdAQokX2n7mUAcGuEh8L7ySqD2OiBESebMhg2qctrTaxFUnShZXt3E1iYKAGq43RZg0maXjKNxeWn1x8Orp24OnJ4Pnr45P3nUa0uFf35xcdORN9cYmht3GrWuyBLtmhiO@FY4ya0RV7VbaYPLkCtlc5FIjmw2dbDJO4CFwmCxtDMG3wJBp3I2ydJKlgoHY3OeYXn…

(click see full text)

BMO

17:12

@NieDzejkob: How did you so quickly figure this out?

But it won't work for haskell :(

NieDzejkob

why not?

BMO

I tried to integrate Haskell by defining a new operator /*

So it would be identifier /* identifier {- comment...-}=definition;main=...

But hR!- can't be an identifier :(

NieDzejkob

okay, let me think

BMO

It can only be letters or numbers (not a leading number though)

NieDzejkob

how about this?
https://tio.run/##rRrbctNI9jn6hXlp5ICkWLJsB0JwbE/uwA6QFIEZFsd4ZKlli@ji0iWxCZmq/YH9gP2A/YN93qr5lPkR9pzulixfgKndDcTu7nPtc@2WMrSS8ZcvFXLgOMQidGRlo9B6QdIIZpPIn438KCUpTVIytuKQJgkZzsgrjx5/oh@voqFUIUeR71uThBL5KHKoTKzQIfJBPMoCGqaJTBJqp14UJsSNYjKkaUpjQqcTGns0tKkk2VZKusQGWskPiZGwIfuoDV1SIYfUzcIRNZ5sS2mU2WMyiT1gLIFozyWzKCMW6p4L1ElgXVGSZDHFXQSR47kzAhrUJjOSRCQdg7x0TGdAQokX2n7mUAcGuEh8L7ySqD2OiBESebMhg2qctrTaxFUnShZXt3E1iYKAGq43RZg0maXjKNxeWn1x8Orp24OnJ4Pnr45P3nUa0uFf35xcdORN9cYmht3GrWuyBLtmhiO@FY4ya0RV7VbaYPLkCtlc5FIjmw2dbDJO4CFwmCxtDMG3wJBp3I2ydJKlgoHY3OeYXnfRF3ZKnZz38roR@tIGWPoesYMJ4Wx…

BMO

17:15

An identifier could also be a pattern match, eg. string ("foo"), character (eg. 'c'), number or list (eg. [1,2,3]) etc.

@NieDzejkob: I think I could get that working yeah

@NieDzejkob: Cheers for that! This should do the trick

Ok got it working :) (now even works with the Haskell version on TIO!)

@Zacharý: Here you go, it's your turn now ;P

Zacharý

@BMO Or NieDzejkob's, if he wanted to

BMO

True, or maybe someone entirely else joins out of the blue :)

NieDzejkob

17:37

@Zacharý You're right. #20 posted

Zacharý

21 is now done

BMO

22 as well

Zacharý

note: stuff might get moved to polyglot development

god no ... please don't go haskell-crazy like stasoid did.

BMO

@Zacharý Why not though?

You guys did the fungeoids ;P

Zacharý

@BMO you might summon him

BMO

17:50

@Zacharý Which would make sense

Zacharý

@BMO, do you want to do stuff like shown in the feeds... tons upon tons of haskells.

BMO

I was not aware that they showed up in here (first time visitor today), but I wouldn't mind - it's my favourite language after all.

Though it's basically just a repetition of that post..

@Zacharý ^

Zacharý

18:06

It's not like we're being James Holderness and using like twenty+ different befunges.

NieDzejkob

how do I debug brain-flak's unbalanced brackets

Zacharý

@NieDzejkob I don't know what you mean

@NieDzejkob Are you asking how do you balance them?

NieDzejkob

#23 is done

@Zacharý I know the rules, but how do I check where the rules are broken?

Zacharý

@NieDzejkob Here's what I did: deleted everything except the brackets, then expanded them out with tabs and newlines.

NieDzejkob

I guess you could do that

Zacharý

18:21

Woah, I totally never thought of making the void correspond to not main.

Well, this is getting a little fast-paced.

Zacharý

18:43

#24 is done

Your moves

Zacharý

19:03

@Potato44, what brings you here?

Potato44

@Zacharý i was look at the comment on NieDzeijkob Dos COM answer

Zacharý

Ah

I assume you're here for the same reason as in the other room, @Potato44?

Potato44

@Zacharý I've had a tab open in this room for months.

Zacharý

Ah

NieDzejkob

20:06

#25 is done

Zacharý

This is definitely bringing flashbacks to Hello World in multiple languages

Befunges and shells...

NieDzejkob

and Haskell

Zacharý

I don't remember Haskell spam in that challenge: only Lynn's shells, and JamesHolderness's befunges.

Wait, did you do that challenge?

Hello World in multiple languages?

NieDzejkob

I did post an answer with 7 languages

Zacharý

Quarter of the way to 100...

BMO

20:20

@Zacharý Actually @NieDzejkob prepared the next two already, the current ksh one works with dash and fish too, so it's already 27 ;)

Zacharý

FreezePhoenix might consider that cheating.

But I'll post it anyways...

BMO

I can't see why they would :S

NieDzejkob

there aren't any rules that would forbid that

BMO

@Zacharý I thought that would be left to @NieDzejkob as an exercise ^^

@NieDzejkob You did that on purpose, or didn't you?

Zacharý

@BMO Can't post twice in a row...

Should we let BMO have fish?

BMO

20:25

@Zacharý Most likely another answer won't change it, I guess

NieDzejkob

@BMO I did realise that it's possible before posting the answer, but I can't remember anymore whether I did that as an optimisation or on purpose

Zacharý

Well, fish is still open.

NieDzejkob

Busybox's ash would probably work

Zacharý

Hello, @SnoringFrog, you were involved in the behemoth around 100, right?

NieDzejkob

fish... errors?

Zacharý

20:31

ash errors, at least the one on TIO.

NieDzejkob

bash: ash: command not found

nice error

BMO

@NieDzejkob Nvm, you're right

Zacharý

So, any language ideas?

NieDzejkob

I'm currently looking at M4, and if that doesn't work out - Java

Zacharý

We should probably work on a way to fit those multiple-dimension funges in there.

NieDzejkob

20:37

that's also an idea

but I want something fresh before the funge spam

Zacharý

At least it's not literally getting the language name

cough

NieDzejkob

okay I'm not trying to add Java

Zacharý

Too much backslash?

NieDzejkob

the void at the beginning is a little bit problematic

Zacharý

That's what I was thinking for C++ as well...

And I assume same issue for C# as well.

NieDzejkob

20:46

for C++ that's semantics. For Java that's syntax

I don't think any Java file can start with void

Zacharý

And there's no more comment tricks left.

wait ... backslash + u.

NieDzejkob

yes, but it does not save us

unless backspace works :D

Zacharý

Oh, nvm, I was getting comments mixed up in my head.

NieDzejkob

21:17

somehow I broke the HTML in my answer... also new answer is done

Zacharý

Wait ... what???

I assume there are form feeds...

NieDzejkob

no

two dollars in a row broke something

I blame MathJax

I'll just add dollars to the escape script on TIO

here we go

SnoringFrog

21:32

I think I was still active around then

Zacharý

WHY IS YOUR FUNGE CODE SO DENSE

NieDzejkob

why not?

SnoringFrog

Yep, looks like I added answers 81, 102, and 104. Stopped answering after 104 but I was still actively around in the chat for a while after that.

Zacharý

21:51

I can't find a way to squeeze Quadrefunge in there...

NieDzejkob

I'm sure I could do it

Zacharý

22:11

What's the dimension fingerprint?

And what distingues 93 v. 96 v. 97 v. 98 again?

I can just rewrite it so the other dimensions are done easily.

NieDzejkob

`G`: reflects on 98, noop on 93, otherwise consumes $dimension zeroes
`[` and `]` does not exist in 96 but does in 97

Zacharý

I have enough bytes to work with, so I should be able to do it

[ is turn left, and ] is turn right, correct?

And does [] reflect in 96?

NieDzejkob

@Zacharý correct

anything before 98 treats undefined instructions as a noop

Zacharý

22:26

wut

that should NOT be happening

NieDzejkob

@Zacharý Find the difference

Zacharý

facepalm

Thanks!

NieDzejkob

it gets me 2 out of 3 times I write Befunge code

Zacharý

Or anything above unefunge.

NieDzejkob

I don't think I've ever written Trefunge code outside of polyglotting

well, I did write Trefunge code that all fit in a plane, but that doesn't count

Zacharý

22:39

Why would you?

NieDzejkob

One OEIS after another

language restriction

Zacharý

Ah

BMO

Finally got around to have a look at Alice which is a really nice language => 28

(I split the last line into two for fixing Somme)

NieDzejkob

I'm going to wait and let @Zacharý finish his Fungeoid shananigans

BMO

I just noticed that splitting would not have been necessary.. shall I change it guys?

NieDzejkob

22:54

don't edit unless necessary. Maybe the next answerer will change it back

Zacharý

What funges does 7y work for?

BMO

@NieDzejkob Fair enough

NieDzejkob

@Zacharý 7y is get dimensions, but only for *funge-98

Zacharý

@NieDzejkob ... great, so it's going to have to be G trickery for the others.

NieDzejkob

or the other y, which will push the amount of zeroes equal to the dimension, which works in *funge-97

but I guess both are similarly annoying to work with

it's one loop to count the zeroes either way

Zacharý

23:00

No, not really for *98: just subtract and use if.

NieDzejkob

I mean both G and IIRC 3y

Zacharý

23:13

One last question: how and where does k work.

Zacharý

23:27

I got the funge section done, now I need to balance brackets/integrate it.

NieDzejkob

@Zacharý I believe k only works in 98. 4kZ executes Z five times

Zacharý

Ah, then it's useless to me...

Uh... my code works in all the languages (except Somme, BrainFuck, and BrainFlak): but the test harness is too slow.

Alice ... is slow as f**k

BMO

@Zacharý Is it working at all or is it just looping?

Zacharý

23:42

@BMO It might be looping, but IDK

BMO

On TIO my original submission takes 0.133s

Probably it is :( Wanna share the code?

Zacharý

I will after I balance the Brain-Flak/BrainFuck code

Remember how it was once easy to fix Somme ... yeah, it isn't now

BMO

Sure it is easy to fix?

Zacharý

I tried ^C-^V like usual, and it borked...

BMO

Add // to the second last line in the beginning and then swap with the initial two chars of the fix

I think it made it easier, since you now have room to distort unwanted characters that might interfere with Brain-Flak or brainfuck, though there would be room elsewhere (like in my alternative fix).

If you want, you can use my alternative version (last link in my Alice submission) and I'll change it as soon as you posted ;)

Zacharý

23:52

Now I borked Haskell.

Here's what I have so far

BMO

The multi-line comment hasn't been closed, on the last line you need a [somme] -} -- [unefunge]

However this leaves brain -flak and -fuck

Zacharý

I'll do that part.

BMO

Btw. adding a . (or whatever) in the old somme section in the column where unwanted (){}<>[] popped up will get rid of them, that's what I meant with it becomes easier to handle.

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