« first day (1670 days earlier)      last day (1250 days later) » 

04:06
@JohnRennie Hello sir , are you free?
@Lllt Hi :-)
Yes I'm free.
Hello sir, Ok
Sir suppose we have a conductor
Somehow I put excess charge on bulk of it
excess negative charge
Now this charge and free electrons will repel till they seperated maximum i.e. till the excess charge spreads on sureface
Yes??
What if we have insulator?
What will happen when we put excess charge on bulk of insulator
By definition an insulator cannot conduct i.e. the electrons cannot move. So the excess electrons will stay where you put them.
04:10
Yes I know that insulators consist only of neutral atoms
But why does excess electrons will not move when they repel each other and get seperated to maximum distance
Do you know about energy bands in solids e.g. the valence band and conduction band?
No
In atoms the electrons occupy orbitals like the 1s, 2s, 2p, etc and the electrons cannot be removed from those orbitals without supplying a lot of energy e.g. in the photoelectric effect. Yes?
Yes
When you put the atoms together to form a solid these orbitals interact with each other to form a king of orbital that spreads out across the whole solid. These are called energy bands.
04:15
Ok
The electrons in solids occupy these energy bands like electrons in atoms occupy the 1s, etc orbitals.
Ok
But the bands differ from orbitals in one key way. Orbitals have a single precise energy e.g. the hydrogen 1s has an energy of 13.6 eV.
Yes
And each orbital can contain only two electrons.
04:17
yes
But the bands in solids can contain many electrons and they have a range of energies.
ok
Now, a band can only contain a certain maximum number of electrons, and if the band if full these electrons cannot move. But if the band is only part full the electrons can move.
These exact reason for this is a bit complicated. You would have to read an article about band theory to understand it.
The electrons inside band can move if band is unfilled?
04:20
Yes , then what happens
And the key fact we need to know is that in insulators the bands are filled while in conductors they are not.
Ok
That's why insulators insulate i.e. because their electrons cannot move so they cannot carry a current.
Ok
But what happens when we put excess electrons
An important thing to remember is that when we charge an object the number of electrons we add is a tiny, tiny fraction of the electrons already there.
04:24
Yes
So we are not making any significant change to the total number of electrons in the solid.
Yes
If we charge an insulator you might think that because the energy bands are fullthe extra electrons would have to go into the next empty band, then because that band is only part filled the extra electrons will be able to move just like in a conductor.
Yes
But the energy of the next empty band is usually considerably higher than the filled band, and instead what happens is the extra electrons get put in various types of states collectively known as defect states. These have a lower energy than the next empty band, and electrons in these states are not free to move.
In a perfect crystal the bands I've talked about are the only states an electron can occupy, but in real crystals there are defects in the crystal structure and the situation is a bit messier.
04:29
Ok so excess electrons remain wherever they are in defect states
The defects create extra states - only a small number of them, but enough to hold enough extra electrons to give the solid a significant charge.
@JohnRennie Ok
I should say none of this really matters for the JEE. In a typical JEE question you'll be told whether the material is a conductor or insulator
And typically you assume it is either a perfect conductor or a perfect insulator.
Real life is messy and there are no perfect conductors or perfect insulators. Even good insulators have some small conductivity.
@JohnRennie Yes but the explanation you told is the correct explanation and I have to go through explanations which confuse me more rather than making me understand points
OK :-)
04:33
Thankyou sir :-)
Although because real life is messy the real explanations can be messy and confusing as well ...
The excess charge we give to conductor will go to surface
Will it redistribute itself uniformly
It depends on the shape of the conductor.
Ok but how?
In a conductor the potential has to be the same everywhere, because any potential difference will cause the electrons to flow as a current.
04:35
Yes
So the electrons move until the potential is the same everywhere. Yes?
Yes
If we take a sphere then the surface is the same everywhere i.e. if we rotate the sphere by any random angle it is unchanged.
Yes
So on a sphere the charge is distributed evenly.
But suppose we take a cube. This is not the same everywhere.
04:38
Yes
An electron in the middle of a face has a different environment to an electron at one of the corners.
Yes
This means that for a given surface charge density the potential will be different in the middle of a face and at a corner, or conversely for a given constant potential over the surface the charge density will differ at a face and at a corner.
Yes to keep potential same, charge redistributes itself non uniformly, yes?
So in any shape that is not symmetrical like a sphere, or a cylinder, or an infinite plane, the charge distribution will be non-uniform and probably quite complicated.
04:41
Yes
All we can say for certain is that the potential will be the same everywhere.
Yes
@Lllt btw this is a good read related to the same; unequal charge distribution is taken advantage of by lightning rods as well. There is a result as well which sometimes questions use that $\sigma R$ = constant, where $R$ is the radius of curvature which is an approximation.
@JohnRennie hi
@AshishAhuja Hi :-)
Consider the scenario I've drawn below that a fluid in a container is being accelerated horizontally. The angle $\alpha$ made can be easily calculated by equating the pressure due to the horizontal, vertical pressure at a point but I'm interested in calculating it in a different way.
04:49
OK ... ?
I've commonly seen that the angle is often directly taken as the ratio of the forces/acceleration, but I never really understood this. If you look at the diagram above, from the right triangles you get $\tan(\alpha) = a/g$ as well as $= g/a$. How exactly do you directly calculate angles from forces/accelerations (in general situations, I've taken this as an example)?
A surface has to have a constant potential energy. This is because water is a fluid and can move, so if the potential energy differed across a surface the water would simply move across the surface and would keep moving until the PE settled down to a constant value across the surface. OK so far?
So consider taking some infinitesimal mass of water and moving it along the surface, and calculate the work done on that mass of water. This work has to be zero because we know the potential energy is constant on the surface. Yes?
04:56
Suppose we move a distance r along the surface as shown above. This means we move a distance x = r cosθ horizontally and y = r sinθ vertically.
The work done against gravity as we move is Wg = +mgy = +mgr sinθ.
The plus sign is because we are moving up and our PE is increasing.
OK so far?
(You can probably see where this is going by now :-)
yes, so you're going to equate m g r sin theta = m a r cos theta. I know this, I was trying to figure out when/when can't we directly take tan theta to be the ratio of the forces/accelerations as I've shown in the above part of the diagram.
Well the underlying principle here is that the surface of the water has to have the same potential energy. Yes?
i.e, in the biggest right triangle you get tan theta = g/a, and in the smaller one on the bottom left, you get tan theta = a/g. I've never actually understood how you can do this.
@JohnRennie yes
If you apply that principle it always tells you what the angle will be.
@AshishAhuja I'm not sure what you mean here ...
ok it's fine nvm
05:09
OK :-)
@AshishAhuja in the bottom right triangle if you use similarity (with the big right angled triangle), you will conclude that the vertical length is = a and the horizontal length is g so you get tan alpha= g/a there too
@satan29 oh yes my bad.. but the actual answer is tan alpha = a/g
yeah i know.. still trying to think what can be wrong
but tan(alpha) will be the same for all triangles atleast
yes agreed, that's my mistake.
actually
The water surface should be perpendicular to mg +ma
in general
and if you work in the fluid frame, (in which the fluid is in in eqb), then ma acts in the opposite direction
in fact the best way to understand this i think is to take a small mass of fluid dm inside water
cross sectional area= A, length=x\
in the ground frame, this dm mass has to be accelerating horizontally with a. so if you look at the horizontal forces, it is due to the pressure at the two ends
05:27
@satan29 what you say makes sense, but this makes me think as to shouldn't mg act in the opposite direction as well (even though mg acting in the opposite direction does not make much sense)?
There is a confusion about the direction of g that ironically is simply explained by general relativity.
if the surface was horizontal then there would be no P diff. Thats whay the surface kind of becomes diagonal: so that the left end has a higher pressure than the right end
if the vertical difference is y, then the pressure difference rho g y
@JohnRennie ah yes general relativity xD
which gives a force = rho g y A, which should be equal to rho A x a
and so gy=ax
yes this is exactly what my approach is; it is more or less similar to what JR did.
05:30
@AshishAhuja no
@AshishAhuja Obviously GR is mega complicated, but the explanation it gives for the directions of the pseudoforces acting on our liquid is actually very simple.
pseudo force=-m*(acceleration of frame)
basically for your earlier image(s), I think your diagram simply showed the surface to be along the direction of $\vec{g} + \vec{a}$ which I dont think is the case
the surface in general will be along the direction $X \vec{g} + Y \vec{a} $ where X and Y are scalars
ah cool I got it now
I knew that the surface would be perpendicular to g - a, but never really thought about it here. Since the surface is perpendicular you get tan(90 - alpha) = g/a, so tan(alpha) = a/g
@AshishAhuja yeah
05:56
@JohnRennie Sir when we give positive charge to conductor it spreads on surface , will this charge now not attract free electrons towards itself
When we talk about giving a positive charge to a conductor what we actually mean is that we remove electrons from it to give it a net positive charge. Apart from some special cases the only charges we move around are electrons so we add electrons to give a negative charge and remove them to give a positive charge.
When we remove an electron we can think about this as creating a positively charged hole, where the hole is the space where the removed electron used to be.
OK so far?
One minute sir
Yes it's clear, then
The positive holes do attract electrons, but suppose an electron moves towards the hole and fills it, then that electron left behind a hole when it moved. So all this did is move the hole to where the electron came from.
Yes
and at last these holes are left at the surface
Yes. We end up with the holes uniformly spaced on the surface, though of course it's really the electrons uniformly spacing themselves on the surface.
06:06
Yes
06:31
@JohnRennie Sir can you help me in deriving self energy of a uniformly charged shell
OK, what is the problem with it?
The self energy is the work done to assemble the system when initially charges were at infinity
Now if we bring a dq charge from infinity on shell , the potential due to it will not be same on every point of shell
How does author wrote that potential
We assume that dq is so small that it does not significantly change the charge we already have assembled.
In the integral we are taking the limit dq ⟶ 0 so this is the case.
So we can take the potential before adding the charge dq and assume the potential doesn't change as we bring in dq from infinity.
Suppose at some instant charge q is placed on shell
How do we write potential due to this charge?
i.e how come potential becomes $\frac{kq}{R}$ at surface since this charge q charge is not equidistant from all points of surface
The potential of a sphere is the same as the potential of a point charge at the centre of a sphere. Yes?
06:45
but here q is not placed on a sphere it is placed somewhere on sphere
The dq doesn't have to be a ball. It can be a spherical shell that we shrink inwards from infinity. So after adding dq we still have a sphere.
Or looked at another way we can bring in our little ball dq then when it reaches the surface spread it out over the surface to form a shell.
Either way we always keep a spherical shape as we add the charge from infinity.
@JohnRennie Oh so this happens , we bring a spherical shell from infinity and I had been thinking that we bring a point charge dq and placed on shell and then bring another point charge from somewhere else and then place it on shell
Yes it's clear a spherical shell shrinks inwards from infinity , thankyou sir :-D
You could bring in a point charge, but then when it reaches a distance r you spread it out to form a sphrical shell of radius r around the sphere.
Spreading it out doesn't change the energy because you are keeping all of it at the same distance r.
But mathematically using a spherical shell is a lot simpler.
@JohnRennie I don't get this
Suppose we bring in a point charge dq to the surface of the sphere of radius r and charge q.
Then the PE change is k q dq/r. Yes?
06:53
Yes
Now I split the point charge into two halves dq/2 and I move one half to the opposite side of the sphere. So the charge I move starts at a distance r and ends at the same distance r as I move it round the sphere. Yes?
I can draw a diagram if it would help ...
Oh , since electric filed inside will be zero moving dq from one end to opposite will not cause energy chang
Yes :-)
No, wait, this applies to insulators as well.
Or we can say that when we moved the point charge after splitting it , the change in potential energy is zero and hence work required is zero
@Lllt Yes.
And then we can split the two dq/2 charges into four dq/4 charges and move them round the sphere, and so on until we have formed a spherical shell of charge round the sphere.
06:59
all we are doing is that moving these charges on an equipotential surface
after splitting them and work required to move along equipotential surface is zero
Yes. The process of "spreading out" the point charge dq into a spherical shell does not need any work so it does not change the PE.
Yes it's clear
and we use thhe shrinking spherical shell due to easy math and symmetry
07:01
thankyou sir , it's clear :-)
07:20
Good morning. for a general vector $\vec{r(t)}$ and a general rotation matrix $A$ how do we build $\frac{d}{dt}(A*\vec{r(t)})$? . The result of the dot product is a vector. is it sufficient to say that $\frac{d}{dt}(A*\vec{r(t)})=(A*\dot{\vec{r(t)}} $
I am preparing for an exam and i found out this question, it is asked to check if a certain transformation is symmetrical. and i am having problems with the matrix vector multiplication rules. could someone check if i broke any rules here
$\mathcal{L} = \frac{1}{2}*\vec{r}^2 + 2t*\vec{r} * \dot{\vec{r}}$
With the transformation $\vec{r} \rightarrow \vec{r'}= A*\vec{r}$
It is asked to check if this transformation is "symmetrical".. thus the new lagrangian differs must only differs by a total time derivative. So far i got:
$\mathcal{L'} = \frac{1}{2}*A^2\vec{r}^2 + 2t*A\vec{r} *A \dot{\vec{r}}$ $\iff$
$\mathcal{L'} = \frac{1}{2}*A^2\vec{r}^2 + 2t*A^2\vec{r} * \dot{\vec{r}}$ $\iff $ $\mathcal{L'} = \mathcal{L}*A^2 $
Physically speaking, i know that rotations are symmetricla and they conserve the Angular momentum of the system "neothres theorem" however i am failing in this simple algebraic equation to form correctly.
07:47
Maybe i could write $A = I +\epsilon R$ infinitismal rotation?
@JohnRennie there sir?
@Lllt Hi :-)
Hello sir
Why does free electrons drift and come to reside on surface
Wouldn't there be a continuously varying electric field due to induced charge ,
The electric field inside a conductor has to be zero, because otherwise the electrons inside the conductor would move until the field became zero. Yes?
I mean why charge is there on surface not varying continuously as we move right
one minute
07:58
Because the field generated due to the charge movement inside the conductor has to be equal and opposite to the external electric field so the two fields sum to zero. Yes?
So what happens is that the electrons drift towards left
Well suppose the external field is uniform, then that must mean the internal field is uniform as well. Yes?
Yes
And the only way to get a uniform field is like in a capacitor where we have two sheets of charge with a uniform field between them.
Ok
08:04
You can show this with Gauss's law though for now maybe we'll just accept that this is the case.
So for the field to be zero everywhere within our sheet we need the charge to be at the two surfaces so it in effect acts like a charged capacitor.
So the electrons come to rest when both field become equal
Yes, well, equal and opposite not equal.
No I think, they are having collisions , thermal energy so they keep on moving
here and there
@JohnRennie yes'
@Lllt That's certainly true, but that thermal motion is random so it averages out to zero and we can ignore it.
Yes
So overall the charge resides on surface
08:11
Yes
@JohnRennie could you maybe check my question above
 
3 hours later…
10:59
@satan29 so if we consider an frame accelerating in the direction of the acceleration of the container with acceleration $a/2$, there would be a pseudo-force of m * a/2 towards the left, and the container relative to this frame is accelerating to the right with acceleration a/2. So in such a frame the liquid would appear to be flat (no tilting)?
11:50
@AshishAhuja why?
@satan29 tbh I'm not sure, but if there is a relative acceleration of a/2 to the right and a pseudo-force causing an acceleration of a/2 to the left, the net horizontal acceleration comes to zero?
the "net" acceleration in this frame is a/2 towards the right
doesn't the psuedo-force also play a role?
it does
Sum(all forces , including pseudo forced)= +ma/2
Ok I see
the force applied to the container = +ma
and psuedo-force = -ma/2, so net force = +ma/2?
11:56
no wait hang on, what are analysing here
@AshishAhuja well if you are using a frame that is accelerating at a rate a/2, then from this frame the acceleration of the container, (and hence the fluid elements) has to be a/2, n0?
@satan29 the container containing fluid, which in the ground frame was moving with acceleration +a, in a frame with acceleration +a/2
again, we see that the pseudo forces act to the left, but there is an acceleration to the right, hence there should be a pressure difference
dp*A -ma/2=ma/2
and we get the same equation as the ground frame
@satan29 what's dp*A?
pressure difference * area
@satan29 can you show the next step.. I agree that the equation is valid, but I'm not able to proceed.
12:04
well get pressure difference= m/A a= rhoAx*a/A= rho x a, and pressure difference rho g y, so gy=xa..?
yes got it.
I think I will go read up more on pseudo-forces, my understanding is not very clear. Thanks.
the thing is
pseudo forces are used in order to get the same conclusion as the ground frame
the observer in the acclerated frame and the ground frame will ofcourse observe different dynamics of the system. For example if I'm in a car and I see a pole go past me , then ill conclude that the pole is accelerating and hence is experiencing a force ma, but someone standing besides the pole would disagree and say that the net force is zero. Both conclusions are correct in their own way
pseudo forces (the way I see them) are simply mathematical corrections that allow you to get the same equations as the ground manner, albeit in a different manner
for the person standing beside the pole, in their frame we would apply a pseudo-force which is in the opposite direction of the original force. This allows the net force in their frame to be zero, correct?
wait, the person standing besides the pole is not accelerating.... (wrt to ground)
sorry let me rephrase the situation:
a block is accelerating with acceleration $a$ wrt ground. In the block's frame, the pseudo-force allows for the net force in the block's frame to be zero(as it should be), correct?
12:18
yes
ok cool thanks
12:59
I'm not sure what velocity should be assumed, the mean or rms?
13:11
@satan29
13:27
id say RMS...
14:23
@satan29 Why do you say so?
15:15
@caramalizedTomato The mean velocity is zero. You'd have to use the mean of |v| to get a non-zero result and that rarely appears in physics.
Anyhow, the reason we use the RMS velocity is because in statistical mechanics it's the energy that is the important quantity so what we are really doing is finding the average of the energy i.e. the average of ¹⁄₂mv². And since the masses of the molecules are all the same this is ¹⁄₂m times the average of v². So the average of v² appears naturally in statistical mechanics.
15:38
@Lllt valence band and conduction band is briefly mentioned in the chemistry textbook with a nice diagram, thou it accompanies with a disappointing explanation
@JohnRennie Sir are all the orbitals forming a single "king of orbitals" or is it like all the valence are in one half-filled orbital and inner electrons are in another filled-orbital?
@JohnRennie Okay it is so, beacause v^2 is directly proportional to energy which is in turn directly proportional to temperature, am I right?
@AdilMohammed I've just started eating my lunch so I'll be offline for half an hour or so.
Oh you can answer when you are free, food comes first always😂
15:46
@AdilMohammed Ins solid state??
16:09
@AdilMohammed In introductions to band theory we usual say each orbital in the atom forms a separate band in the solid. So all the 1s orbitals merge to form a "1s band", all the 2s orbitals merge to form a "2s band" and so on.
But this is an oversimplification because the bands are usually more complicated than this.
In fact band structure can get very complicated when you start looking closely at it. However in many cases we are only worried about the valence and conduction bands and we don't care too much about other aspects of the band structure.
Good evening ! i have been struggiling for hours with this question, i really hope someone here can help me!
given is a hamillton function.
$ H (p,q) = p^2/2 - a/q $ and the transformation $ q \rightarrow Q^2 $
Find a function F such that the transformation is canonical.
I have been deriving and integrating for hours with no result... i am lost
@JohnRennie Maybe you can? you can solve everything : )
No idea, sorry :-(
Oh wow this is a first for John Rennie!
You always know what to do, now i am hopless haha
i will ask in another room
16:58
Thanks alot JRS
@Lllt yes just before doping, but the diagrams are only helpful if you have a basic idea
@AdilMohammed for which year are you preparing btw?
18:04
Hello!

« first day (1670 days earlier)      last day (1250 days later) »