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04:22
@JohnRennie Hello sir
@Lllt hi :-)
I have following arrangement
The vertical curved surface is smooth and horizontal one is rough
I have to find maximum distance travelled by block on horizontal surface when releases from h height above on vertical surface
First I will tell you what I tried
I tried using work-energy theorem
Therefore W(g)+W(N)+W(f)=K(f)-K(i)
where W(i) indicates work done by ith force
Now work done by gravity mgh
work done by friction= -umgx
where x is distance travelled on horizontal surface
Now what is work done by normal
Everyone told me zero as force and velocity are perpendicular but I cannot figure it out How
The work done by the normal force is indeed zero.
The velocity is always parallel to the surface. Yes?
Yes
But how normal force is perpendicular to surface
That's how the normal force is defined. It's the component of the total force normal to the surface.
04:32
Yes that's true but see following
The normal force is indeed perpendicular to surface as shown
And velocity is like this
We usually consider the object to be small enough that we don't need to worry about how the object curves underneath the object. That is, we take the normal force to be in the same direction everywhere that it acts on the object. Certainly this is true for the JEE.
In your example where the object is large compared to the radius of curvature of the surface it is true that the normal force acts in different directions at the two points where the block touches the surface.
But I tried to figure out a reason --- The two points where block is in contact with surface where normal force acts have different velocities
Yes??
But in fact the velocities of those two points are in slightly different directions because the block is rotating as it slides down the slope.
Yes
At each point where the block touches the surface the velocity is tangential to the surface. It has to be otherwise that point on the block would either go below the surface or rise above it.
04:38
But these points where normal force acts have velocities such that dot product of normal force on them and their velocity is zero, Yes??
So at every point where the normal force acts on the block it is still true that the velocity is at right angles to the normal force.
@Lllt yes
Yes and since point of application of force is moving normal to the direction along which force is acting , therefore work done by normal force is zero
Correct
Is this correct reason for surfaces of high radius of curvature and having bigger blocks
OK I got that
Yes. It will always be true that at any point where the object touches the surface the normal force and velocity are at right angles.
04:41
Here also,The two points where normal force acts move perpendicular to that direction snd therefore work done by normal force is zero
Ok I got that , Thankyou :-)
 
4 hours later…
08:17
@JohnRennie, can you please tell the above @Community question of two blocks?
@Learner Hi :-)
Hi sir
I think he is right, in ground frame the acceleration will change, maybe
Give me a moment to read the question ...
*stands in queue to ask a doubt
@AdilMohammed noted :-)
@Learner do you want to go through the question now?
08:23
Yes
The first step is to find out what μ is. We are told this is the minimum friction needed for the 4kg block not to slip, so let's calculate it.
0.52
I am getting @JohnRennie
Yes, I agree, so μ/2 = 0.26 and the force acting on the 4kg block is μ/2 x mg = 10.4N. Yes?
So the acceleration of the 4kg block is 2.6 m/s²
08:29
Yes
Now, the heat is the frictional force (10.4N) times the distance the 4kg block moves relative to the 12kg block. Yes?
Yes, Clear
And we are told the 12kg block moves 10m.
We know that distance is related to acceleration by s = ut + ¹⁄₂at²
08:32
Yes and u=.
0*
In this case the initial velocity is zero, so s = ¹⁄₂at²
We could calculate the time the 12kg block takes to move 10m but actually we don't need to because for a fixed time the distance is proportional to the acceleration. Yes?
And the acceleration of the 4kg block is 2.6 m/s² which is half the acceleration of the 12kg block, so that means in the time it takes for the 12kg block to move 10m the 4kg block will move 5m. Yes?
08:35
Here is my main concern
When a=5.6 of whole system, we can calculate the net external force
F=(4+12)*5.2
Now when I write the individual FBD of 12kg, we have F towards right and friction towards left
So, won't the net external force change and so the acceleration?
This question tells us that the 12kg block accelerates at 5.2 m/s². It doesn't tell us what the external force is, and we don't care what the external force is. The acceleration is 5.2 m/s². That's what the question says. Yes?
So have they given that whatever the situation is, acceleration will always be 5.2?
Have they given combined acceleration or just of 12kg=5.2?
The acceleration of the 12kg block is 5.2 m/s².
That's what it tells us. We have to calculate what the acceleration of the 4kg block is.
( i.e. 2.6 m/s² )
Yes @JohnRennie, then we're done
Heat= umg*5
It was easier than you thought :-)
08:43
Yes, overthinking always a hurdle
Thank you very much @JohnRennie
:-)
@AdilMohammed What do you want to ask?
can i ask now?
Yes :-)
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Q: The direction of the electric field at a point on a diameter away from the center of a uniformly (positively) charged hemisphere

LiqSnkThe answer is : perpendicular to the diameter. I don't understand how to arrive at that answer. I'm taking a high school physics course and have covered Electric field and Gauss's law for simple symmetries such as the sphere. Can anyone help me on this? Edit: The solution says that the field com...

Yes, as the answer says you can show the component of the field along a diameter must be zero from the symmetry.
Do you want to go through the argument?
08:46
oh no i just want to clarify
one thing
Yes ... ?
in this case, is the hemisphere having the mouth covered (henceforth simply a hemisphere) or is the hemisphere with the mouth open (henceforth a bowl)
A bowl, or at least that's how I interpret the question. It is just half a sphere i.e. take a sphere and cut it in half and you get a hemisphere. So there is no base to it.
ah yes my guess too
also can we say the "direction of the electric field at a point on a diameter away from the center of a uniformly (positively) charged hemisphere" is perpendicular
for both the bowl and the hemisphere
for the bowl the answer is given and for the hemisphere, the electric field is always perpendicular to the surface, here there is a base
Well, it's perpendicular to plane along which you cut the original sphere in half i.e. the plane of the base of the hemisphere.
08:49
yes
perpendicular for both the cases right?
Or the plane of where the base would be if there was a base.
Are you asking what would the field be if there was a base?
It would not be perpendicular to the base.
08:51
oh come on why not? its a conductor after all right???
The argument relies on the fact that the field inside a charged sphere is zero. Yes?
oh yeah for the bowl, but for the hemisphere i am bringing in a different arguement
Ah, I see, you're saying that for any conducting surface the field is always normal to the surface?
yes
yes right? electric fieldlines is always perpendicular to the surface , so here base is part of the surface and hence the electric fieldlines is always perpendicular to the base as well?
If the hemisphere was conducting the charge on it would not be uniform.
08:54
oh yeah overlooked that part
But the question says the charge is uniform, and that implies the (hemi)sphere must be insulating.
oh if you take that route then yes the electric fieldlines wont be perpendicular to the base in a hemisphere
but if we assume that it is not uniformly charged? then can we say the electric fieldlines is always perpendicular to the base?
If the hemisphere and base are conducting then yes the field is perpendicular to the base.
08:58
Oh thank you sir. i got a couple more questions from the ncert exemplar but ill ask later seeing that there are a couple of others in the queue and seeing that I am an awfully slow typer😂
I don't think anyone else is waiting ...
If anyone else wants to ask a question ask now! :-)
oh in that case lemme upload a picture... takes a bit time
wait in a stable equilibrium if i displace an object will it (a) come to rest at the original position or will it (b) be in a SHM with the center of the SHM at the original position?
Energy is always conserved, and if you displace an object you have increased its PE so its energy relative to the equilibrium position is now greater than zero.
So when you release the object it will oscillate with a constant total energy. Whether the oscillation is SHM or not depends on the potential. You only get SHM when the potential is quadratic.
Although in some systems there may be damping, in which case we get a damped oscillation and the object will eventually settle back to the equilibrium position.
09:07
oh okay
now letme share the question
my doubt is isnt c and d contradictory?
c says there will be SHM and d says it is in equilibrium
**unstable equilibrium
In (c) the charge is negative and in (d) the charge is positive. Yes?
oh yeah my bad
thats all i got for now, thanks @JohnRennie
OK :-)
have a great day :-)
And you :-)
 
1 hour later…
10:12
What do you guys do when you’re bored ? Apart from studies
Ali
Ali
10:28
I am getting two different answer for question 23.(c).
Can anyone tell me what's wrong with the answer a1=2m/s² a2= a3=3/5 m/s²
The correct answer is a1=a2=a3=5/6m/s²
Can anyone please solve and tell ? I will be grateful
@SrijanM.T I tend to feel lonely more than bored because I have too much to studies most of time.
what do you do when you feel lonely? Even I am overwhelmed with studies, I can feel lonely, because I almost always study alone.
Ali
Ali
10:47
@Bohemianrelativist same. Though I have no friends and my JEE prep is on a descent.
@Ali All will move with same velocity because friction is sufficient at each contact.
Ali
Ali
But what is wrong with the former one ?
a1=2 a2=A3=3/5 m/s²
What's wrong with this ?
How you got that..?
Ali
Ali
When you draw the free body diagram these values of acceleration don't make the net frictional force exceed the value of the limiting friction
Assume the masses 3 and 7 kg move with the same acceleration and the 2 kg one moves with a different acceleration
I should get a contradiction if I assumed wrong. Right ?
@Ali Yes
Ali
Ali
10:54
Then what is the mistake ?
Wait..To prevent relative motion and bottom is smooth, so if they will move together a=10/12 =5/6( since net force on the system of three blocks is 10N ) and on each block if we check friction in each case provides the required force. I thought this way ..
And if any friction is not sufficient to provide the the required force then there will be sleeping and acceleration will be different of that block
Ali
Ali
Yes I know how the answer is 5/6. I want to know why the answer isn't a1=2 ,A3=a2=3/5
Because there is no slipping at surfaces...
@Ali Ok, I got contradiction .
The primary photoelectron had $E=0$ before and the photon transferred its energy so now the $E$ of photoelectron=$h\nu$?
@JohnRennie
If we consider 3kg and 7kg blocks as a system, net Fext =10-f2 and since acc of 2kg is different I.e there's slipping friction will be maximum I.e 2(0.2)10 =4
So, $a_2$(acc of 3+7kg system) =( 10-4)/10 = 0.6
Ali
Ali
11:07
Where is the contradiction ?
Why would there be no slipping ?
@Ali And there is friction between 2kg and (3+7)kg system , the friction will try that acceleration of 2kg is also 0.6? And $f_1$( friction acting on 2 kg)max =4 > 2(0.6) =1.2
So, here friction is efficient to avoid slipping at 2kg and 3kg junction, so that contradicts our assumption
Ali
Ali
Oh ! So you are saying that friction is sufficient to avoid slipping between the blocks. So the answer should be 5/6 m/s² and not 3/5 because that induces slipping ?
Ok thanks I get it now
Thank you very much @Rover
So that answer is superior where there is no slipping ?
@JohnRennie Can you check my question and confirm the reason given by Rover
11:32
But what we assumed about the blocks, it proves correct.
Everything does satisfy
The second point of @Ali
 
2 hours later…
13:20
Because then we can derive many satisfying conditions for a particular situation.
 
2 hours later…
Ali
Ali
15:01
That's what I am saying. The values do satisfy everything
But according to Rover ,as the tendency of static friction is to stop relative motion. The values of acceleration in which they are equal is the better solution.
@Wolgwang as the photoelectrons "ejects", the surface of the metal becomes +vely charged and attracts the electron, so you need some work to overcome that. That is reflected in the work function ($\phi$) for that particular metal, (which I would guess will depend strongly on the ionisation potential). So anyways, when the electron finally detaches from the metal, it has an energy of $h \nu - \phi$, which we associate to its K.E i.e $1/2 mv^2$
@satan29 Isn't this before ejection?
It is from this answer:
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A: Kinetic energy of photoelectrons

John RenniePhotoemission in the usual experiment is a two step process. First the incident photon creates a photoelectron in the bulk of the metal: The quantum efficiency for this is almost $100$% i.e. almost every photon that hits the metal creates a primary photoelectron. However this photoelectron is ...

15:18
@Wolgwang well yes, it is before ejection
actually , ignore my explanation for why the work function exists
the bottom line is, no, the electron doesnt leave the metal durface with hv energy
In this Q
Notice that propyl has more priority in order against methyl or ethyl
Then , I think my order ( Red colour) is right than my teachers in black colour
@Ali, Yes understood, thank you very much
Ali
Ali
@Learner I am not sure btw. Sir @ John Rennie is this explanation correct for my problem ?
 
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17:29
Yeah let's wait for sir
17:45
does sir know much about quantum information?
17:58
How do I post an image here? I'm only getting an option to type...
18:11
@VamsiKrishna Go here, upload the image, and then copy the link and paste it here.
@VamsiKrishna You should get the option. Are you on a mobile?
@Wolgwang Yes I'm on a mobile
@VamsiKrishna Turn on the desktop mode.
@Wolgwang Got it! Thanks a lot
18:37
I have to figure out what happens to the brightness of each bulb after shorting with the wire.How do I start? I have a basic knowledge of induced emf and electric fields
19:05
Nvm I got it....can't delete it now
Ali
Ali
@Bohemianrelativist He knows everything there is to know
 
1 hour later…
20:25
I just found I made a terrible mistake in an exam!

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