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02:51
@JohnRennie hi !
 
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04:04
Gas A: Cp = 29 SI unit and CV= 22 SI unit
Gas B: Cp = 30 SI units and CV = 21 SI units
A) Both have one mode of vibration
B) A is rigid and B has mode of vibration
C) B has no mode of vibration and A has one
D) A has one mode of vibration and B has two
Both gases are diatomic given
in JEE/High School Chemistry Problems, 10 mins ago, by YUSUF HASAN
@PolarBear Well... I just wrote Cv for each gas as (5+x)R/2 and Cp as (7+x)R/2,equated them to their values and divided the equations.... For A i got a consistent solution of x just greater than 1..while for B i got a negative value of x... So C
What does the negative value of 'x' signify?
in JEE/High School Chemistry Problems, 6 mins ago, by YUSUF HASAN
I mean.. I dont really know the physical significance of negative x.. Just that it is invalid.. Prolly JR sir can tell the meaning of negative x
If you could help @JohnRennie, we would be grateful.
04:53
@PolarBear In neither gas is $C_p - C_v = R$, which puzzles me ...
05:09
@JohnRennie this question was from yesterday's JEE MAINS
@JohnRennie That's correct. The data doesn't perfectly fit in but this was the exact question asked.
@PolarBear for a diatomic with no vibrational modes active you'd expect $C_v = 20.8$ and $C_p = 29.1$
So for A $C_p$ matches and for B $C_v$ matches, but for both only one of the specific heats match.
I guess the answer is (A) because (A) is true, diatomics do have one mode of vibration, but that has nothing to do with the data given.
06:06
@JohnRennie hi.
Best of luck to all jee students.
@JohnRennie hi are you here.?
@Nobodyrecognizeable hi. I'm working at the moment. Back in about half an hour.
@JohnRennie all right.
06:22
@JohnRennie Yeah, so we might get a bonus
 
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07:33
@JohnRennie Yeah, bonus then I guess.
Thanks.
Or marks will be given to idiots like me who put A with some lame reason
@PolarBear $C_V = \dfrac{Rf}{2} $, for B: f = 5 $\implies C_v = 20.75 \approx 21$
@JohnRennie For non ideal gases that equation doesn't hold.
07:48
Yup, but for A?
So @Ab
@Abcd you are saying option C ?
@PolarBear B's data is given in HCV C_v = 20.8, C_P = 29.1 under "diatomic assuming no vibrations"
@Abcd HCV. Ooh. That's why I remember seeing data.
I think it's in NCERT too
Yup.
Yup yup yup a damn table
Saying ignoring vibrational modes
@PolarBear So none of them have vibrational right?
The thing is that both A and B have specific heats that are a close match for a diatomic at a temperature where no vibrational modes are active. Each vibrational mode should add R to the specific heat.
But there is no option saying no vibrational modes for both.
07:57
@JohnRennie That's what
Without vibrational modes for diatomic, Cv=20.8 and Co=29.1
@PolarBear are you sure you remember the data and options correctly
@Abcd Yes, those are the options.
I confirmed with others.
@PolarBear data of Cp Cv ??
Option A is technically correct because both molecules do have a vibrational mode, and option (A) doesn't specifically say an active vibrational mode.
@Abcd Yup.
07:59
@JohnRennie wow what a catch
@JohnRennie active
Why just why T_T
But I don't think they would put such tricky question in mains. But anything can happen.
If that really is the answer then it's a remarkably poor question. The idea is to test how good you are at physics not reading the examiner's mind.
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I hadn't realised JEE Mains were running this week. I thought it had gone very quiet in here :-)
@JohnRennie Yeah, there are a couple of such ambiguous questions in every paper.
@JohnRennie Yeah, for the second time this year!
08:20
@JohnRennie hi.
@Nobodyrecognizeable hi
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Q: Verifying the resistance of a shape whose radius of cross section is linearly changing

Nobody recognizeable This was the problem so ; I thought cross section is a function of x . Ie A(x) = a+ kx . A= b when x= l so $k = b-a/l$ now i wanted to find the resistance via $\frac{\rho l}{\pi}\int \frac{dx}{(a+kx)^2}$ where x limit goes to 0 to l. And we finally come to result R = $\frac {\rho l^2(b-a)}{\pi ...

@JohnRennie any ideas?
@JohnRennie also how to put limits on integration?
If we take $x$ to be the distance from the left end, then the radius is $r = a + (b-a) x/L$. Yes?
@JohnRennie yes ive solved it that way.
So if we take a disk of length $dx$ we get $dR = \rho dx/A$
08:27
@JohnRennie the question is not there. If im wrong with my process then please forgive my previous statement.
@JohnRennie so im assuming there is a flaw in my solution. Go on professor please then.
$$ dR = \frac{\rho}{\pi (a + (b-a))^2 \frac{x^2}{L^2}} dx $$
@JohnRennie alright.
$$ R = \frac{L^2 \rho}{\pi(a + (b-a))^2} \int_0^L \frac{dx}{x^2} $$
@JohnRennie you can't get the" $x^2$" out of Integral.
Well, no, because you're integrating $dx$
08:31
@JohnRennie thats what you did in previous step.
@Nobodyrecognizeable I'm not sure what you mean.
@JohnRennie forget this . Thats done. I can't believe that i was doing a wrong integration till yesterday being an undergrad. Anyway do you have anymore free time?
Yes, I'm around for a bit.
@JohnRennie you just can't isolate the "$x^2$ while doing $ r^2 $ as you did anyway i go for my next question:
@JohnRennie actually in this step you couldn't isolate the $x^2$
@Nobodyrecognizeable I don't understand what you mean ...
08:40
As x is just multiplied with b-a not the whole term .
Oops, yes, algebra error!
$$ dR = \frac{\rho}{\pi (a + (b-a) \frac{x}{L} )^2 } dx $$
@JohnRennie yep the question is solved why am i pointing that. Forget that consider the new question.
5 mins ago, by Nobody recognizeable
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@JohnRennie please consider this.
@Nobodyrecognizeable that's a system of two coupled oscillators. There will be two normal modes, one in which the masses move in phase and one in which they move in antiphase.
@JohnRennie i think i have to ask for reference.
Typically problems like this are introduced as part of a course on Lagrangian mechanics as we'd normally use the Euler Lagrange equations.
Though you can just do it the hard way using regular Newtonian mechanics.
08:45
@JohnRennie if you can do this that way then im excited. Then you should go on. $L= kE-pE$
@JohnRennie alright.
Suppose $x_1$ is the displacement of the upper mass and $x_2$ is the displacement of the lower mass then the tension in the upper spring is $T_1 = kx_1$, and the tension in the lower spring is $T_2 = k(x_2 - x_1)$
So you get a pair of coupled equations:
$$ \ddot{x_1} = \frac{T_2 - T_1}{3m} $$
$$ \ddot{x_2} = \frac{-T_2}{2m} $$
@JohnRennie alright.
@JohnRennie hey again. quick question: consider a toy drawbridge (I will attach the picture right after) of mass $m=4kg$ and $l=30cm.$ The question is:What is the angular velocity of the bridge when it falls to the point that it is hanging vertically?
I realize this is quite easy to solve with conservation of energy, but I was wondering why another method using the work-energy theorem with $\int_{40}^{0} \tau d\theta = \int_{40}^{0} mg\frac{l}{2}\sin(\theta) d\theta$ so that that integral $= \frac{1}{2}{\omega}^2$ doesn't seem to work
my bounds are in degrees. here's the picture. imgur.com/Zjv6bu4
08:53
@Nobodyrecognizeable from memory the easiest way to solve the pair of equations is using normal coordinates.
@JohnRennie i need a lotta reference.
If we write the equations out in full we get:
er, that integral $=\frac{1}{2}I{\omega}^2$ rather
$$ \ddot{x}_1 = \frac{k}{3m} (x_2 - 2x_1)$$
and:
@JohnRennie $\ddot{x_2} = k(x_1-x_2)/2m$
09:02
$$ \ddot{x_2} = \frac{k}{2m} (x_1 - x_2) $$
@JohnRennie yep. Now if i integrate for $x_2 $ then should $x_1$ be considered constant?
No, you look for new coordinates $X = ax_1 + bx_2$ and $Y = cx_1 - dx_2$
With the correct values for $a$, $b$, $c$ and $d$ you can write the equations as:
$$ \ddot X = -k_x X $$
and:
$$ \ddot Y = -k_y Y $$
so you just get two regular simple harmonic oscillators. The new coordinates $X$ and $Y$ are the normal coordinates.
@JohnRennie ok go for kyles question. Let me try to do this.
@Nobodyrecognizeable Suppose you write $X = 3x_1 - 2x_2$
Then $\ddot X = 3\ddot x_1 - 2\ddot x_2$
@JohnRennie ok a=3, b=-2
09:10
If we substitute for $\ddot x_1$ and $\ddot x_2$ we get:
$$ \ddot X_1 = \frac{k}{m}(x_2 - 2x_1) - \frac{k}{m}(x_1 - x_2) $$
And that simplifies to:
$$ \ddot X_1 = -\frac{k}{m}(3x_1 - 2x_2) = -\frac{k}{m}X_1 $$
@JohnRennie alright.
I'm just trying to work out what the transform is for Y ...
I have to go now I'm afraid. I won't back for a while.
@JohnRennie all right.
 
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10:45
@JohnRennie youll get the same using 2nd equation also .
11:03
@Nobody
@Nobodyrecognizeable you can work easily by working in angles. Try taking a random point and work will angles for your varying cross section problem.
@KushalT. all right thats done. I hope you found your answer in your question too. You should accept one of those answers.
@KushalT. Btw are you a jee student?
@KushalT. Find mr xcoderx he is also studying fir olympiad. Hes a great student though. Probably one of the best ,(even in the world).
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11:35
@Nobodyrecognizeable, yes I'm preparing for the physics olympiads. Who is this xcoderx in real life that you're talking about?
Also I just searched, couldn't find the profile, care for sharing the link?
Are you a JEE student?
 
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12:53
@AdvilSell
@Abcd Yup ?
@AdvilSell Does charge on capacitor change when dielectric is inserted
@Abcd If battery/ any other capacitor is connected then Yes , else no
@AdvilSell Why
@AdvilSell explain
@Abcd See if the battery is not connected then charge don't have any place to go , and since it can't be destroyed it stays there , whereas if a battery is connected then new charge can be moved in /out
13:05
@AdvilSell How do we find the new charge?
@Abcd That's simple if the battery is connected the voltage will be constant , Hence do accordingly
@AdvilSell Do you rembr the derivation $Q_o \left(1- \dfrac 1 k\right)$
@Abcd what is this ?
@AdvilSell Charge on dielectric
@Abcd Nope , Charge due to what ? Are you talking in line of Force on dielectric ?
13:11
@AdvilSell induced charge
@Abcd Sorry I am afraid i don't know it , I think it's something related to polarizability and that sort of thing
@AdvilSell See RTPF question 1
@Abcd Downloading
Hmm
@Abcd It is taking a a lotta time
13:18
@AdvilSell Downloaded in 5 seconds for me
@AdvilSell Retryy or see on webpage only?
@Abcd Idk , saying 8min from 15 min
@AdvilSell cancel it and retry. Or see on one drive web only ?
@Abcd Can you post the question ?
@Abcd I think the answer is wrong A must not be the answer
@AdvilSell A is correct
@Abcd How ?
13:31
@AdvilSell Calculate new charge on Capacitor and put it in the formula I posted above.
@Abcd what's q0 here ---new chrge on cap ?
@AdvilSell it's charge on capacitor
@Abcd Okay , Then it' alright what's the problem then ?
@AdvilSell I wasnt getting the derivation of that formula but now I got it in HCV :D
@Abcd Okay , cool :D
13:34
@AdvilSell See Q 3 also please
I dont get what $T_a$ is...
@Abcd I think work function
@AdvilSell In solution they have written $4.25 = T_A + \phi_A$
@Abcd then Ta become maximum kinetic energy of electron
@AdvilSell Question 5. I am getting A and D
@Abcd D ain't possible the Rates are equal at t=0
13:42
@AdvilSell They arent, read carefully.
@Abcd The question says so , the rate of decay of sample of radionuclide A is same as decays of radionuclide B
@AdvilSell $rate_{t= 0, A} = rate_{t= 60, B}$
@AdvilSell This is what question says^
@Abcd Oh..yes right
can we do it tmrw. I have mains to 12th man
@AdvilSell OK
@Mr.Xcoder in which grade are you ?
13:49
@AdvilSell 9th, why? :)
@KushalT. This is @Mr.Xcoder
@Mr.Xcoder btw how did your olympiads go?
@Mr.Xcoder Just asking
@Mr.Xcoder damn.
I wish i could be that brilliant in even 12th grade.
@Nobodyrecognizeable Well enough. The national's scheduled in 3 weeks, that's the important one
@Mr.Xcoder best of luck . Prove my statement chap. Not gonna waste your anymore time.
@Mr.Xcoder cya.
13:59
@Nobodyrecognizeable Thanks! :)
You're not "wasting my time".
@Mr.Xcoder you have nationals . So probably you should take up some problems. I suggest you walter lewin's problems in youtube .they are worth giving a try.
@Nobodyrecognizeable Thanks for the suggestion, I will have a look. I do know Lewin from some online lectures I've watched a while ago, I think. Right now I am preparing for the experimental examination and I don't have much work to do while I'm on my way home :P
@JohnRennie, Hello
@pi-π hi
@JohnRennie, An electron passing through a region is not deflected. Can we be sure there's no electric field in this region?
14:11
@pi-π No. There could be an electric and a magnetic field exerting equal and opposite forces on the electron.
@JohnRennie, But there cannot be only electric field. Yes?
@pi-π still no. If the electron is moving parallel to the electric field lines it will move in a straight line, though it will be accelerating not moving at constant velocity.
@JohnRennie, So we do have both the possibilities?
I think you need to post the question so I can see exactly what it is asking ...
@JohnRennie, here it is?
14:21
@pi-π OK then the answer is no because there could be an electric and magnetic field that cancel each other out.
@JohnRennie, thank you
@pi-π are you happy about how the electric and magnetic fields cancel? I can draw a diagram if necessary.
hello good afternoon@JohnRennie
14:36
@user8718165 hi
@JohnRennie what will be the weight of the tumbler?
@user8718165 well, what do think?
@JohnRennie before immersion of the bob, the weight of the tumbler was $10M$ where $M$ is the mass of the water and the tumbler is assumed to be mass-less. The mass of the bob is $m$ and is fully submerged in water.
@JohnRennie I think the mass should remain the same because the bob is not suspended in the water. Its held by a rigid body
I mean its suspended but its not freely floating in the water
14:53
Suppose the bob was something very light, like a ping pong ball. You put the ball on the top of the water, so it's floating on the water, and then the weight shown on the scales goes up by $mg$. Yes?
yes sir
Now you press down on the ping pong ball with your finger (which is a an approximately rigid object) and the weight shown on the scales will increase by an amount equal and opposite to the force you're pressing with.
@JohnRennie yes sir...
the mass will increase because the electromagnetic forces in the rod are pushing the ball down
So with an object less dense than water the weight shown on the scales will go up when you submerge the object on the end of a rigid rod.
@JohnRennie yes sir...got it
15:09
@JohnRennie sir what about an object denser than or having equal density as that of water?
Hello @JohnRennie
15:38
@user8718165 hi, sorry, I was working. Are you still around?
@JohnRennie nothing to be sorry sir...totally absolutely fine
@user8718165 I think the easiest way to look at this is by starting with an object that has the same density as water. When you add this object to the beaker you are just adding a mass $m$ of water. There won't be any force in the rod because obviously water has neutral buoyancy in water. So the weight on the scales goes up by $mg$.
OK so far?
yes sir...got it
@user8718165 Now we have already discussed what happens if we keep the volume the same but decrease the density. In this case the rod has to push down to keep the object submerged. So by Newton's third law the water/beaker/scales have to push up with an equal and opposite force. So in this case the weight shown on the scales goes up. Yes?
@JohnRennie yes sir, but doesn't the weight of the submerged rod count?
15:46
Hmm, yes, it would, but let's assume the rod is very thin so it has little effect i.e. the force is dominated by the object attached to the end of the rod.
@JohnRennie ok sir...got upto this...could you please tell why would the mass of the rod even count? Isn't the rod attached to an external frame and hence doesn't apply any force on the water?
@user8718165 Anything underwater exerts a force on the rod. The underwater bit will be the ball on the end of the rod and the part of the rod that's underwater. The force can be upwards if the ball/rod average density is less than water or downwards if the ball/rod average density is greater than water. OK so far?
why average density?
@user8718165 if we are counting the part of the rod that is underwater, as well as the ball, then the densities of the rod and ball might be different.
For example if we put a ping pong ball on the end of a steel rod then the ball will be less dense than water but the rod will be more dense than water.
The reason I said average density is that we need to take the densities of both the rod and ball into account.
@JohnRennie by calculating the average density?
15:58
@user8718165 yes, where average density is total mass divided by total volume.
oh ok got it
Or we can just say that if the rod is thin its effect is negligible and just ignore it!
Actually, wait, no, I've got this wrong. The density of the ball and/or rod doesn't matter. Only the volume matters.
That's because the upthrust on the submerged body is the weight of water displaced i.e. $\rho_w V g$, where $\rho_w$ is the density of the water. And the increase in the weight on the scales is equal to the upthrust.
The reason I was going on about the density of the object is because if we start from the mass $m$ then the volume is $m/\rho_o$, where $\rho_o$ is the density of the object.
If we substitute this into my expression for the upthrust we get $\frac{\rho_w}{\rho_o}mg$, so that's where the density of the object comes in.
But if we stick to working with the volume of the object then it's a lot simpler.
@JohnRennie is this for the case when the submerged ball is less dense than water?
@JohnRennie ok sir got it
@JohnRennie Hi!
16:14
@Dante hi
It seems stoke's law is valid only for huge containers.
But viscous force equation has $\dfrac{dV}{dy}$ in it.
What is $dV/dy$?
Specifically what are $V$ and $y$?
That's just the usual $\sigma = \eta \dot\gamma$, where $\sigma$ is the stress and $\dot\gamma$ is the strain rate.
But that's only useful when we have a constant strain rate. For a ball falling in a liquid the strain rate is high near the ball and decays rapidly to zero as we move sideways away from the ball.
For Stokes' law to be valid we just require that the walls of the container are far enough away that the strain rate is approximately zero near the walls.
Take a look at the worked out examples
They taken $dV$ as velocity of the object and $dY$ as the distance between object and walls of container.
Can we not relate it like that here? ^
16:26
You mean this one?
Yeah, this one is one of them.
Well that one has nothing to do with Stokes' law!
Is stoke's law based on some different kind of viscous force?
In that setup you have a laminar flow in the thin layer between the falling object and the edge of the tube. If the velocity of the falling object is $v$ then the velocity of flow goes from zero at the inner surface of the tube to $v$ at the outer surface of the falling cylinder in a distance $y$, where $y$ is the size of the gap between them.
Since the flow is laminar the velocity increases linearly over the distance $y$, so the strain rate is $\dot\gamma = v/y$
And the stress is $\sigma = \eta\dot\gamma = \eta v/y$
Then the force is the stress times the area.
Stokes' law is nowhere to be seen!
Oh, ok. I thought both were relevant and viscous force was only due to velocity gradient of fluid between stationary surface of container and moving surface of the falling body.
Thanks!
16:36
@Dante no, with a falling sphere in a large container the strain rate is only non-zero in the immediate vicinity of the body and it fals quickly to zero in a non-linear way as you move away from th body.
Got it.
Once the walls are farther away than the distance where the strain rate falls to zero the size of the tube ceases to have any effect.
I don't think the container has to be that huge. I think once you're a few diameters away the flow has basically stopped.
Yeah, I said large so that you'd consider ideal case.
17:27
@Avka You had posted this an year ago.
I can't figure out what's the easiest way to find the maximum distance covered in second case.
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Q: Maximum range of a projectile (launched from an elevation)

Ryan If a projectile is launched at a speed $u$ from a height $H$ above the horizontal axis, and air resistance is ignored, the maximum range of the projectile is $R_{max}=\frac ug\sqrt{u^2+2gH}$, where $g$ is the acceleration due to gravity. The angle of projection to achieve $R_{max}$ ...

Anyone for a mechanics question?
I am repeatedly getting the answer as $\frac {du}{u^2 + v^2}$
17:44
4th opt?
Nope D is ${dv}$ instead of $du$ in the numerator
Is the answer D?
The answer key says that the correct option is A
Ah, ok, wait
Accha
Use coordinate geometry
Point A be origin
B be (d,0)
Haan I did that.
17:50
Let B's velocity be 0
Then foot of perpendicular would be the position at time t. Right?
Yeah
Did you get the right answer by that?
Yeah
@Dante Nothing except maximising the function. Sigh. Thanks though.
17:51
Uhm. Okay. Wait a sec
Achha, jaldi karo, neend aa rahi hai.
If I assume B to be origin, A at (d,0)
Anything :p
Then x of A = d -ut right?
And $y = vt$ ??
Umm, how I did it was,
B will be at rest, A will move along straight line with slope $\dfrac{v}{u}$
17:53
So $vx + uy = dv$ ?
That's $\tan\theta$, now $\cos\theta=\dfrac{u}{V}$
A has to travel distance $d\cos\theta$
How did they find torque by magnetic field?
(Connect the foot of perpendicular and you'll get the right angled triangle)
@Akari Getting it?
@PolarBear Itna bada question :o
@Dante wait a sec, I'm trying to interpret all of it on paper
Wait I know for my question, I am just so sleepy I can't figure out.
Okay, I don't for the moment
I may have a 'aahh' moment when someone reminds me
Please remind me someone
17:58
@Dante okay I got your method, but what was wrong in whatever I was doing?
I didn't get properly what you had been trying.
Consider B at origin, A at (d,0)
A has velocity v along Y, and u along -X
So for A, trajectory is $xv +uy = dv$
The foot of perpendicular from B on the trajectory of A comes out to be X = $\frac {dv^2}{v^2 + u^2}$
And Y = $\frac {du}{v^2 + u^2}$
@Dante you getting it?
@Akari Not really , sleepy af ;_;
Uhmm. Okay. So will you now sleep, or want me to explain it again? I guess it's the first option that you'll choose.
@Akari Good night! Let's discuss this later, I have my main also day after tomorrow!
Sorrry
18:10
Kk no prob. Good night
Uhmm. @Dante ? I just realised that you were getting the same answer as mine.
18:24
A and B will be two different capacitors, I get that and then that will be an LC circuit.
Next, how an I supposed to solve it?
I mean it would go from A to L and stay there (?) And then move on
A and B would act as capacitors and that's an LC circuit. Now, the charge would go from A to L and then to B. Now, considering that circuit we'll have \omega = 1/√2LC where C = capacitance of one sphere. So, let T be the time period. Like I don't really know what will happen, what I know is the charge will go into L get stored after time T/2. Now, it will start journey to sphere B and reach it in T/4.
But this logic doesn't seem to work
The solution given is:
I don't get a thing
19:27
@PolarBear isn't that what you've done
@Avka Isn't omega = 1/√LC
And it's a bit confusing for me here
T/2 for A to L and T/4 for L to B
That's what I think. Not sure. The solution's not that.
@PolarBear
They are in series
So effective capacitance is 2πeR
And you're correct it's prolly a misprint
Wo frequency di hai
Yeah
But the time it takes what about that?
Even with that T/4 answer nahi aata
I think it's T/2 + T/4 never encountered any question which had charge only on one capacitor
Usse bhi answer nahi aata though
T/6
Se as RHA hai?
See T is coming out to be approx 2π × 5 × 10^-7
They have pi inside the root too
So I multiplied everything in there
Bahar wala 2π is 2π/w wala 2π
T is by 2π√LC
Answer is (B) though.

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