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5:12 AM
@JohnRennie good morning
 
@harambe morning :-)
 
@JohnRennie doubt in yesterday question.
17 hours ago, by John Rennie
So (mass wood + mass metal)/(vol wood + vol metal) = density of water
 
Yes?
 
But the wood barely floats in the surface so how can mass of both wood and metal divided by their volume gives the answer
I mean the metal is under the water......
 
The phrase barely floats means the wood only just floats i.e. even a tiny bit more weight would make it sink.
So the top of the wooden block is level with the top of the water i.e. all of the wood is in the water
So the volume of water displaced is equal to the volume of the metal plus the volume of the wood.
 
5:24 AM
@JohnRennie okay so it stays at equilibrium at this position. Got it
@JohnRennie I had some small doubts in fluids
 
@harambe I'm working for about 20 mins ...
 
Please Ping me when you get free
 
5:52 AM
@harambe back
 
6:05 AM
@JohnRennie hi
 
@harambe hi
 
Q2
I tried the pressure to be Po+$\rho gh$ here with h=6 cm
The answer comes out with h=8 cm.... Why?
Autocorrect sucks sometimes
 
If you look at the right part of the tube, then the bottom of the tube has 8cm of mercury above it (plus atmospheric pressure) so the pressure is $\rho g 0.08$ (+ 1atm). Yes?
 
Yes
 
If you look at the left side of the tube it has 2cm of mercury above it plus the unknown gas pressure in the vessel. So the pressure is $\rho g 0.02 + P$.
And the two pressures have to be equal because we're calculating both of them from the same place.
 
6:16 AM
Why equal... Pressure should be equal at h=6 cm.....
The difference in height of the mercury will contribute to extra pressure, right?
 
If you're sitting at the bottom of the U then the pressure on the left and right sides has to be equal otherwise there would be a net force on you and you would move.
So $\rho g 0.08 + 1 atm = \rho g 0.02 + P$
Or rearranging $P = \rho g 0.06 + 1 atm$
 
Pressure at sane height difference should also be equal
That is 6 m below right arm of the U tube should be equal to the pressure of the gas?
Can't we use this alternative
2
Q: Variable area manometer duct

Haridev VHow does one measure the pressure at the end of the manometer tube when the manometer tube itself is having a variable area?

@JohnRennie
 
@harambe isn't that what $P = \rho g 0.06 + 1 atm$ says?
 
@JohnRennie the answer given is 1.09atm
I guess the answer is wrong?
 
Hmm, I get 1.008 atm
Oh wait, no
1.079 atm
 
6:27 AM
How?
 
1.09 Pa
@harambe do you agree with the equation $P = \rho g 0.06 + 1 atm$ ?
 
I guess taking wrong value of density caused problem... I get it now
 
Just remember that 1 atm is 760 mm of mercury. Then the extra pressure is just 6cm / 76cm = 1.079
 
@JohnRennie got it
Q4) (b)
I think we have to integrate the pressure here and multiply it by area of the sides
But the question states the area of only top and bottom and not the sides
 
@harambe that's a clue that the exact shape of the sides doesn't matter. Let me draw some arrows on your picture ...
The force exerted by the surface on the water is always normal to the surface.
 
6:41 AM
Okay
 
Actually now I think about it I'm not sure what (b) is asking ...
Oh I get it. It's simpler than I thought.
The force exerted by the base on the water is $PA$ i.e. pressure of th water times the area of the base plate. Yes?
 
Yes
 
@harambe and the total upward force on the water must be $mg$ where $m$ is the mass of the water (0.5 kg in this case)
 
Okay
 
So the upward force exerted on the water by the sides must be $mg - PA$
 
6:50 AM
@JohnRennie wait.
If the force by surface on the water is normal then how can it be upwards
Shouldn't it be sideways
Like in your diagram
Oh wait.. Resultant
 
My diagram is misleading because the pressure increases as we move downwards so the red arrows should be bigger on the bottom half than on the top half.
So the upwards component in the bottom half is bigger than the downwards component in the top half. There is a net upwards force.
 
Okay
@JohnRennie got it
 
It should be more like that
 
@JohnRennie answer not matching
I get 5N
Answer says 1N
Mass of water = Density x volume =O.5 litres x 1000 kg/m^3
 
Mass of water = 0.5kg so the downwards force mg is 5N. OK so far?
 
7:03 AM
Yes
And water is at equilibrium so it should be equal to upward force
 
Pressure at base = $\rho g h = 1000 \times 10 \times 0.2 = 2000$ N
Area of base = 0.002m^2 so $PA = 2000 \times 0.002 = 4$ N
 
Oh crap.... Forgot the lower force
This was so confusing question for me
@JohnRennie this answer is only valid only when the top surface of water also exerts force on water
 
@harambe Huh? What force does the top surface exert on the water?
 
Otherwise force by the bottom comes to be 204 N
 
@harambe You're including the atmospheric pressure?
 
7:10 AM
You forgot atmospheric pressure
 
The atmospheric pressure cancels
 
How..
 
If we include atmospheric pressure the pressure at the top is 1atm and the pressure at the bottom is $\rho gh + 1atm$.
So at the top we have a downward force of 1 atm times A, and at the bottom we have an upward force of ($\rho gh$ + 1atm) times A.
 
Yeah that's what I was saying
But I think a glass is usually open at the top
 
The upwards and downwards forces of 1atm times A cancel to leave just the upwards $\rho g h A$
 
7:20 AM
@JohnRenniebthis proves that shape won't matter but what if the sides we're straight instead of curved
 
7:30 AM
@harambe If the sides are straight then the force they exert is always horizontal so they cannot exert any net upwards or downwards force on the liquid. In that case the force exerted by the base must equal mg.
 
7:43 AM
@JohnRennie Q19
Applying Archimedes principle, wouldn't the volume get cancelled bfrom both sides
 
@harambe picture?
 
If the object is half submerged then its average density must be half the density of water ...
 
This doesn't match the answer
The answer comes in 865 kg/cm^3
 
Let me do the calculation ...
 
7:50 AM
Half of density of water gives 509 kg/ cm^3
 
@harambe My answer matches ...
Volume of the outer sphere = $\tfrac{4}{3}\pi (0.08^3)$ and volume of inner sphere = $\tfrac{4}{3}\pi (0.08^3)$ so the volume of the material in the spherical shell is $\tfrac{4}{3}\pi (0.08^3 - 0.06^3)$. Yes?
 
Yes
 
I make this 0.00124 m^3
The volume of water displaced is half the volume of the outer sphere i.e. $\tfrac{4}{3}\pi (0.08^3)/2$. OK so far?
 
Eh... Why not half volume of both spheres
 
Let me draw a diagram ...
@harambe There
 
8:07 AM
@JohnRennie okay but still I can't seem to understand the logic
 
@harambe Can you see that the volume of water displaced is equal to half the volume of the 8cm sphere?
 
Volune is the amount of space in the sphere so I guess the liquid treats the 8 cm sphere as an entire sphere instead of hollow
 
Yes. The liquid can only interact with the outer surface so what's inside the 8cm sphere makes no difference.
 
Got the hint Thanks for the help
@JohnRennie got the answer now
 
Cool :-)
Don't be put off if it isn't immediately obvious to you what is going on physically. Intuition takes time to build up.
 
8:57 AM
I plotted the angles and the line symmetrical to all the angles will have angle $\theta$. Right? But, I can't get the answer.
Hello @JohnRennie if you are here, can you please help me do this?
 
@IceInkberry hi
 
@JohnRennie Can you verify my method for the above question? I think I am wrong (obviously) because my answer is wrong.
 
@IceInkberry 8° and 188° are the same line rotated 180°, and so are 38° and 218°.
 
I did this ^
Or the perpendicular (to the line I have drawn at $\theta$) one
 
9:10 AM
Oh no, I am right but I didn't get my answer right. I am really sorry.
I was subtracting 8°
@JohnRennie Thank you for verifying it. I should work on my presence of mind.
 
:-)
 
9:52 AM
@JohnRennie hi
 
 
2 hours later…
11:23 AM
@harambe Sorry, I was working. I'm back now for a bit.
 
@JohnRennie I wanted to ask about surface tension and excess pressure but I will probably ask it tomorrow
 
@harambe OK
 
@JohnRennie are you free for a last doubt
 
@harambe yes
 
Well I don't have a clue on how to solve such questions.Can you tell me how to proceed here
 
11:39 AM
Start from $dU = dq - dw$
This is an adiabatic change so $dU=0$
 
Okay
 
The work is given by $dw = PdV$, and $dq = TdS$
And if we make these substitutions we get $TdS = PdV$ or:
$$ dS = \frac{PdV}{T} $$
Since it's an ideal gas PV = RT so P/T = R/V, and substituting this we get:
$$ dS = R\frac{dV}{V} $$
$$ \Delta S = R \int_{V_1}^{V_2} \frac{dV}{V} = R \ln \left(\frac{V_2}{V_1} \right) $$
 
Okay
 
And $V_2/V_1 = 2$
But I have to say I don't see how you could work this out for yourself. You kind of have to already know how it's done.
 
@JohnRennie pressure won't be change?
 
11:47 AM
We don't care about the pressure. We've managed to get the equations in a form where the pressure doesn't appear.
 
Hi, I bought a copy of Peter Gnadig's 200 puzzling physics problems, the issue is - I don't know where to read up the prerequisites to get a running start at the book. Any suggestions?
 
Okay
 
@SudarshanaSuri are you an undergrad or still at school? Those problems are quite hard.
 
@JohnRennie matches answer
 
@harambe good :-)
 
11:51 AM
@JohnRennie I'm done with school, trying to get back to physics. I am more than capable of doing routine problems but would like to level up my game.
 
Have a nice day professor. See you tomorrow
 
@SudarshanaSuri the problems are intended to help physics undergraduates broaden their skills, so if you haven't done a physics degree you'll struggle with them. Since they span pretty much all of classical physics there isn't really any specific reading to cover them. You have to study all of classical physics.
@harambe bye
 
@JohnRennie I am familiar with classical physics at the level of cracking IITJEE if that helps.
 
@SudarshanaSuri in that case you should be able to tackle at least some of the problems. I'd suggest you dive in and Google when you get stuck.
 
@JohnRennie I see, thank you, that is motivating advice.
 
12:21 PM
@JohnRennie, hello
 
@blue_eyed_... hi
 
@JohnRennie, Two coherent sources A and B of radio waves are 5m apart. Each source emits waves with wavelength 6m. Consider points along the line between two sources, at what distances, if any, from A is interfernece constructive.
 
@blue_eyed_... you get constructive interference at a point when the path lengths from that point to the two sources differ by an integral number of wavelengths.
i.e. the difference in the path lengths is $n\lambda$ where $n$ is an integer equal to or greater than zero.
 
@JohnRennie, The path differences is yd/D where d= separation between the slits, D= separation between the slits and the screen and y=distance of fringe.
 
From the question it looks as if the line is the straight line between the two sources A and B. If so that line is 5m long. There is only one point on this line where the difference in the distances to the two sources is equal to $n\lambda$.
 
12:35 PM
@JohnRennie, how?
 
Consider the point P. The distance to A is $x$ and the distance to B is $5-x$. So the difference in the distances is $(5-x) - x = 5-2x$. Yes?
 
@JohnRennie, yes
 
So you're looking for values of $x$ that satisfy $5 - 2x = n\lambda$ for integral values of $n$.
where $\lambda = 6$
 
@JohnRennie, what's the value of n ?
 
$n$ can have any integer value. For each possible value of $n$ there will be a corresponding value of $x$.
 
12:44 PM
@JohnRennie, if n=1, x=-1/2
 
Yes, but that point isn't on the line between the two sources, since it's to the left of source A (on my diagram).
 
@JohnRennie, Then how do we get x from that equation?
 
Try a different value of $n$
 
@JohnRennie, for n=0, we get x=5/2
 
And is that position between the two sources?
 
12:48 PM
@JohnRennie, yes
 
So there you are. That's a solution. The question is whether there are any other values of $n$ that give values of $x$ between A and B.
 
@JohnRennie, I guess no. Because for every n>0, RHS of the equation will be greater than 5.
 
I agree. There is only the one position between the sources where the path difference is equal to $n\lambda$, and that's the midpoint where the distance to both sources is the same i.e. $n=0$.
 
@JohnRennie, Yes.
 
1:19 PM
A lot of questions I've done seem to be inspired from gnadig
I think even jee stole their carpet question
 
1:34 PM
@AvnishKabaj Have had a look at AITS questions? Exactly same (:
The non-star ones*
 
Not exactly but somewhat
Mostly
 
@AvnishKabaj Nope, exactly. Even the solutions of the book.
And if the question had more than one solution, the paper had the first one.
 
2:19 PM
Ok
Nice
 
2:32 PM
A square loop of side 10cm and resistance of 0.7 ohm is placed vertically in the east west plane. A uniform magnetic field of 0.1 T is set up across the plane in north east direction. The magnetic field is decreased to 0 in 0.7 sec at a steady rate. Determine the magnitude of induced emf and current during this time interval.
 
3:05 PM
@sammygerbil, hello
 
@blue_eyed_... hello. what is your difficulty with this problem?
 
@sammygerbil, Do we need to resolve the magnetic field into its components?
 
@blue_eyed_... yes. The magnetic flux through the loop must be measured perpendicular to the loop.
Alternatively the area of the loop can be resolved perpendicular to the magnetic field.
 
3:44 PM
@sammygerbil, An athlete peddles a stationary tricycle whose pedals are attached to a coil having 100 turns each of area 0.1m^2. The coil, lying in the XY plane is rotated, in this plane, at rate of 50 rpm, about Y axis, in a region where a uniform magnetic field, $\vec {B}=0.01 \vec {k}$ Tesla, is present. Find the (i) maximum emf (ii) average emf, generated in the coil over one complete revolution.
 
39 mins ago, by sammy gerbil
@blue_eyed_... hello. what is your difficulty with this problem?
 
@sammygerbil Hello!
 
@Dante hello! Happy New Year.
 
@sammygerbil, what's the difference between maximum emf and average emf?
 
Hey! Happy New Year!
 
3:47 PM
@blue_eyed_... Maximum is amplitude, average is probably RMS value.
 
@sammygerbil, is alternating emf induced here?
 
@blue_eyed_... What is your doubt?
 
@sammygerbil, I've studied about a case where an alternating emf is induced when a rectangular coil rotates in a magnetic field. Not sure about circular coil
 
@blue_eyed_... The shape of the coil does not make any difference to the emf being alternating or constant.
The formula contains only the area of the loop, not the dimensions of the loop. It is only the area which matters.
 
@sammygerbil didn't get this step
 
4:01 PM
@sammygerbil,I got maximum emf=0.52V and RMS value=0.37 V. Is that correct?
 
@Dante Neither do I. Why not do your own solution and check that you get the same result?
 
The condition comes this... Using this gives you the required answer
@sammygerbil happy new year!
 
@blue_eyed_... I get different values, how did you get yours?
@harambe Happy New Year.
 
@sammygerbil I tried, didn't get it
$N2=f1$ right?
So basically $N2=\mu N1$ right?
 
4:17 PM
Yes
It's just rearrangement after that but in the end it's better to learn the last result
@Dante have you finished with semiconductors
 
Nah
@harambe and @sammygerbil Thank you, got it!
@harambe Left it
I can solve formula based problems, that's all.
 
I was thinking of doing it but guess I will leave it and study it with a cool mind.
 
better idea
 
@Dante Write down the conditions for equilibrium, and for the ladder being on the point of slipping. The latter means $f_1=\mu N_1, f_2=\mu N_2$ : 2 equations. The former means balancing forces vertically and horizontally : another 2 equations. Finally take moments about a convenient point : another 1 equation. There are 4 unknowns $f_1, f_2, N_1, N_2$ but 5 equations so you can eliminate all of the unknowns and find a relation between the remaining variables.
 
Yeah, got it
@harambe It's so cold here in Bangalore my brain has become numb.
Feel like sleeping all day
 
4:26 PM
@Dante does the temperature reach to 10° C by early morning there.
 
Not 10 but close
 
It's cold in Kota too. It reaches 10 ° in the morning. The floor seems like it's frozen. It's so damn cold
 
Ikr, I don't even feel like getting off my chair, tiles freeze.
 
@Dante did you visit the snow world in Hyderabad. I remember when I went to Hyderabad, I did lot of skating there
 
I never went to hyderabad.
 
4:33 PM
Last time I visited Banglore, we went to Hyderabad too. Must have mixed that up
 
Oh, I see
 
@Dante did you go to mysore.. It's a short distance I believe
 
Yeah, quite a few times
And if you're talking about cold places, I've been to Manali too.
 
Manali and shimla are awesome seriously. Mountain hiking was the best thing I remember about Manali xD
I went to Manali after Shimla
 
Me too
 
Sid
4:38 PM
I am sorry that this is a bit late, but Happy New Year folks.
 
Hey, Happy New Year!
 
Sid
Hope you guys do well in your exams.
3
 
Happy new year!
 
5:02 PM
Wait, 10 deg C is "cold" in India? Lol I wonder what you'd say (during winter) about where I live, then :P
6
 
@Mr.Xcoder We aren't used to temperatures like this. The cold wave has hit recently, there has been sudden drop in the temperature.
 
Sid
@Mr.Xcoder For me, 10 deg C in winter is actually warm. I am, by now, used to living in sub 5 deg C conditions in December-January. :P
 
@Sid are you not in India?
 
@Sid Today is an average winter day here and the temperature is about -2 deg C. So I see your point =))
@Dante Indeed, quick changes in weather are awful.
 
@Mr.Xcoder All the best .I would probably be dead with so much cold xd
 
Sid
5:13 PM
@Dante There are, indeed places in India that have sub 5 deg C conditions in winters. :P
 
Oh, I see.
 
@Sid you're in Kashmir or somewhere ?
 
 
1 hour later…
6:40 PM
@sammygerbil hello professor.
 
@Abcd Hello.Happy New Year.
 
Same to you :)
@sammygerbil whats the way to do this in 2 mins. I had to:
Equate magnitudes of y momentums
Conserve KE
Conserve x momentums
And it took 5 minutes which is ... you know ...
 
@Abcd Do you know what the answer is?
 
@sammygerbil I got the right answer = m after those calculations...
 
@Abcd I think perhaps you are intended to recognise the result as coming from and elastic collision between particles of equal mass. That is the 'quick' method.
 
6:51 PM
@sammygerbil they exchange velocities ... but here that has not happened ....
@sammygerbil i mean if two particles of equal masses collide elasticallly, they exchange their velocities.
 
@Abcd In a 1D elastic collision they exchange velocities. In a 2D collision their final velocities are separated by 90 degrees.
 
@sammygerbil Oh how come I didnt know this till now X_X
 
The 'semi-quick' method is to transform to the COM frame. Then the particles approach in a head-on collision and separate at 180 degrees. When you transform back to the lab frame the velocities are 90 degrees apart.
 
@sammygerbil didnt get properly
 
@Abcd What didn't you get? Please be specific.
 
6:56 PM
> Then the particles approach in a head-on collision and separate at 180 degrees.
 
Anonymous
@Abcd Why not memorize the formula? It's a standard problem.
 
@Blue That final velocity formula is so big... I had memorised in 11th but forgotten now
its one of the biggest formulas till now
 
@Abcd In the COM frame both particles move towards the COM with the same speed in opposite directions along the same straight line. The COM is the point of collision. When they separate they go in opposite directions with the same spee, to conserve momentum and KE in the COM frame.
 
@sammygerbil but it looks like you are beginning with the assumption that they have same mass
 
@Abcd Yes. If they have the same mass this is the result. You can confirm the answer by doing the calculation in the COM frame.
That's one of the tricks to doing these questions. You have a hunch about which is the correct answer, then you do a quick calculation to check the answer. Instead of deriving a general formula to get an answer then seeing which option matches.
Even if the masses are different the calculation is quicker in the COM frame.
 
7:09 PM
@sammygerbil I am getting 19.5 using simple Boyle's Law. Answer given is (3). Is it wrong?
Let me show you my calc:
$h (r^3)= 10 \left(\dfrac{5}{4}\right)^3 r^3$
$h = 19.5$
 
@Abcd Answer #3 is correct. You have forgotten to account for atmospheric pressure.
 
@sammygerbil oh damn okay, h+10 on LHS
 
7:28 PM
@sammygerbil I think a factor of e is missing in these answers:
$J = nev_d$
$v_d = \dfrac dt $
$J = i/A$
$t = \dfrac{\rho ed A}{I}$ ---- ($\rho = n$)
 
@Abcd $\rho$ is volume charge density : $\rho=ne$.
$n$ is number density.
 
oh i see professor.
 
8:00 PM
@sammygerbil till what time are you here
 
@Abcd Probably another 5 hours.
 
8:24 PM
@sammygerbil how to do this...
i have tried:
let $\phi$ be angle with +ve X.
$\cos^2(8 + \phi) = \cos^2(38+ \phi) = \cos^2 (188+ \phi) = \cos^2 (218 + \phi)$
So:
$8 + \phi = 360 - (38 + \phi)$
$\phi = 157$
or... just try more in vain:
$8 + \phi= 180 - (38+ \phi)$
$\phi = 67$
or...
$8 + \phi = 720 - (38+ \phi)$
$\phi = 337$
or $8 + \phi = 540 - (38+ \phi)$
$\phi = 247$
all wrong
Just using periodicity of $\cos^2$
 
Try drawing a 2D diagram of polarizer marking the angles at which transmission is the same.
The angles 8, 188 are the same straight line, as are 38, 218.
Transmission intensity is same if the angle between polariser and direction of polarisation of light is the same.
 
@sammygerbil why does my method not work. I have used simple Malus law.
 
Direction of polarisation bisects the above two lines.
 
???
 
@Abcd Please be more specific.
 

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