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12:03
Alternatively, the relation must apply also when $m_1 \gg m_2$. Then $r_1 \to 0$ and $m_2 \to 0$ so $M\approx m_1$ and $D\approx r_2$.
@sammygerbil angular velocity remains same... Any reason
@harambe The two stars must remain on opposite sides of the fixed COM. So they always have the same angular velocity even if their orbits are elliptical.
Okay. Got it
The COM cannot move, because there is no external force.
Yeah. Just internal gravitation force.
12:06
Correct.
When is your jee?
Hi
@Fawad are you asking about jee advance
It's on may
@harambe no,I am asking for jee main 1 date and shift
Figured. Mine is on 9th Jan at evening shift.. Around 5: 30 PM. I think
@sammygerbil got it.. I am getting (b)
@harambe Yes I think that is correct. You could guess this option because the only difference between them is the factor in front of $\pi^2$. Almost always $\pi$ appears as $2\pi$ so we should expect to see $4\pi^2$.
12:17
Yeah
@sammygerbil can a satellite revolve around the earth at altitude Re ( radius of earth)
Won't it crash
@harambe In theory it is possible. See Newton's Cannonball above.
@sammygerbil could I ask you a doubt Sir?
After harambe
In practice it might crash into a building or an aircraft, and it will quickly lose energy because of atmospheric drag, since the velocity must be very high.
@Hema Yes go ahead. I think we've finished with the main part of harambe's question.
@sammygerbil why exactly can't Ampere's law be applied to the centre of a current carrying loop the same way Biot Savart's law can be?
My textbook says it will not give a simple expression for the centre like Biot Savart's
Does it have something to do with the Amperian loop taken?
@Hema I don't understand what you mean. How are you trying to apply Ampere's Law to the loop?
12:26
@sammygerbil by taking an open surface enclosing the loop
Which is perhaps parallel to the loop
@Hema That sounds rather vague. Can you upload an image showing your calculation?
Just a minute please
@Hema What exactly does your textbook say about this? I am intrigued.
This is the only surface I can think of
My actual doubt is why there is any field at all if Ampere's law cannot be applied
Since for Gauss's law if no charge enclosed there is no flux
My textbook just says " for the case of the circular loop it cannot be applied to extract the simple expression for the field at the centre of the loop
However there exist a large number of situations of high symetry where it be conveniently applied"
What exactly is wrong with this situation? And won't a field exist only if the law is followed?
@Hema Amperes Law relates the current crossing the surface to the line integral of the magnetic field around a closed loop which is the boundary of the surface. Here the current appears to be in the surface not crossing it, and the magnetic field at the dotted line is not the same as the magnetic field at the centre of the loop.
12:37
@sammygerbil but how can a field exist if the law is not applicable?
@Hema The field is correctly predicted by the Biot Savart Law. I don't see how you are applying Ampere's Law here to obtain the field at the centre of the current loop.
If you show me a calculation I can tell you what you are doing wrong.
But it seems to me that you have a vague idea without any details of how you will apply Ampere's Law.
@sammygerbil I actually haven't calculated,I had felt confused on reading it
Because Ampere's law is said to be similar to Gauss'slaw
And by Gauss's law there needs to be a charge enclosed for a net flux
And in this case it seemed odd that there could be a magnetic field even without an enclosed current in any form
@Hema If you draw a circle around the loop at any point, passing through the centre of the loop, then there is a current passing through this circle and a magnetic field along the circumference of the circle. Similar to the magnetic field around a straight current-carrying wire.
@sammygerbil ohhh ok
I'm really sorry for being so vague, I had actually found Ampere's law in itself rather difficult to grasp
The problem here is the lack of symmetry. Unlike the straight wire, for which the magnetic field is the same at every point around the circle, here the magnetic field will be stronger where the circle is at the centre of the loop than where the circle is furthest from the centre of the loop.
12:49
Ohhh ok ok
This makes it difficult to calculate?
Yes, because the magnetic field varies around the circle (which is the Amperian loop) we don't know how to do the line integral. Unlike for the straight wire, for which we know (by symmetry) the magnetice field must be the same at every point around the circle, so the line integral is simply $2\pi r B$.
Ohhhh ok ok
Got it Sir
Thank you!
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Q: Ampere's law and Biot-Savart law gives different terms for magnetic field in middle of a current running in a loop

user3921 I would like if someone could clarify this issue for me: When dealing with a current $I$ running in a loop with radius $R$ and looking for the magnetic field in the middle of the loop. By using Ampere's law, i know that the current $I$ runs through a loop with the same radius $R$ ,we get that: ...

The OP has incorrectly assumed that the magnetic field is the same around the thin circle, which he/she has used as the Amperian loop.
@sammygerbil ohhh ok
Got it :)
@Hema As with Gauss' Law for electrostatics, to apply Ampere's Law usefully, you need to find a loop around which the magnetic field is constant, or known for part of the loop. EG you can sometimes choose a rectangular loop for which the magnetic field is constant on the long sides and zero on the short sides. With Gauss' Law you look for a surface at which the electric field is constant.
13:02
@sammygerbil ohhh ok ok
Ohhh
@harambe Do you have more questions?
13:18
@sammygerbil yes
My KA/KB is coming out to be 3
I just used Gm1m2/r^2 =mv^2/r
I calculated velocity here by putting r=R and 3R
But it is not matching
@harambe The question says the altitudes are R and 3R. These are not the radii of the orbits. Altitude is distance above the surface of the Earth.
Oh.... Silly of me. Let me attention this then now
Got it
I got (a) and (b)
@sammygerbil imgur.com/a/zVghL5W
Does speed of projection mean orbital velocity?
Or is it something else
@harambe No it means something else. Total energy is conserved between launch point and orbit, so KE+GPE at Earth's surface equals KE+GPE at the orbital radius.
13:34
Okay
That makes sense
@harambe Speed of projection is launch speed from Earth's surface.
I get it.. I saw that in wiki too about the satellites project ected from top of mountains
@sammygerbil I am done with the questions for now
@harambe ok goodbye for now.
 
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14:53
@harambe Options (a) and (b) both correct. PE is inversely proportional to $r$, and for circular orbits 2KE=PE.
15:45
@sammygerbil Are you free?
@Abcd Not sure. I have a few things to do this evening, and will go to sleep early ie before midnight.
@sammygerbil oh okay.
@Abcd free now for about 1 hour
 
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17:26
@JohnRennie Available for a small query ?
@NehalSamee is it quick? I'm about to clock off for the day.
Go on then
which one would have highest velocity when equal force act on each for equal time and let go ?
@JohnRennie
Will it be all have same velocity ?
Are we told anything about how the force is applied, or what if any friction exists in the system?
17:30
@JohnRennie friction is said to be negligible and
force is applied to the right side
In that case they will all have the same velocity. Force times time is equal to change of momentum, so applying the same force for the same time will produce the same change in momentum.
And since their masses are all the same that means the velocities will all be the same.
@JohnRennie Thanks ...
have a good night
Though what worries me is that questions like this tend to have some sneaky point that you're supposed to consider.
@JohnRennie yeah ..its a sat question
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