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5:17 AM
hi! can anyone help me with this

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/461108/derivation-of-mean-free-path?noredirect=1#comment1035219_461108
 
@AnshumanSinha wait for John Rennie. I am sure he will be able to help you
 
5:28 AM
@Zerix hi, did you sort that enthalpy of vapourisation question. I reallised literally moments after you left what the mistake was.
 
@JohnRennie good morning.
No I couldn't....
 
It's actually really simple.
The enthalphy of vapourisation is defined as the enthalphy change for one mole of water at 373K and 1 atm changing to one mole of steam at 373K and 1 atm. So the enthalpy for the process described in the question is just 2 x 40.66kJ. OK so far?
 
Shouldn't it be equal to change in enthalpy only, as it is a constant temp process
 
Ok
 
Remember that H = U + PV and because this is a constant pressure process that means $\Delta H = \Delta U + P\Delta V$
 
5:32 AM
Okay
@AnshumanSinha looks like it's constant pressure process
 
So $\Delta U = \Delta H - P\Delta V$
 
Yes
 
Isn't vaporisation of water a constant temp. process ?
 
We are given $\Delta H = 81.32$kJ so you just need to calculate $P\Delta V$ and subtract it.
 
@JohnRennie okay
 
5:35 AM
If you do that it gives the answer 75.12kJ
 
Okay. Let me try then
@AnshumanSinha It's an open system I think. So. Pressure is constant and temperature can vary. At least that's how I interpret
 
Pressure and temperature are both constant.
 
Both. Okay
 
But volume changes so enthalpy and internal energy are different
 
okay
how to calculate delta(V) ? using density relation ?
@JohnRennie may you help me with my problem physics.stackexchange.com/questions/461108/…
 
5:42 AM
@AnshumanSinha that's a standard derivation that you'll find all over the internet.
 
I only find the derivation assuming a cylinder which gives different result for mean free path.
something like l = 1/pi*d^2*n.
but this result seems to be derives from spherical considerations.
 
Finally got the answer...... Whew
 
@AnshumanSinha the volume swept out by the particle is a cylinder of radius $d$. It's radius $d$ because the centre to centre distance between it and any particle it hits is $2r$ i.e. the diameter.
And the volume of this cylinder is $4\pi d^2\ell$
You just set this equal to the volume per particle $1/n$ giving you $\ell = 1/(4\pi d^2 n)$.
 
are you getting the same expression as I've posted in the question ?
@JohnRennie
 
Hmm, there's a factor of 3 difference ...
 
5:56 AM
yeah, maybe because you're not considering the equal probability consideration for all directions
 
Oops, there's a rogue factor of 4 in there
I must have been thinking of the area of a sphere.
 
Hello
 
@AnshumanSinha I guess the factor of 3/4 comes from removing some of the simplifications used in the standard analysis, but I don't know how that factor is derived.
 
I have a sort of homework qn on capacitors
For the circuit shown in the figure q1, q2, and q3 are the charges stored in the 3 microfarad, 4 microfarad, 5 microfarad capacitor respectively. Find the ratio of q1:q2:q3
 
okay.
I think it'll come once we consider the molecule to be moving in all possible directions, thus giving us a sphere instead of a cylinder.
 
6:04 AM
@JohnRennie Have you looked through my question?
 
Hi Yusuf, no I haven't. Give me a moment to find it ...
 
ibb.co/WnbFHDH check this link for the image, please somebody reply asap i have an exam tmrw šŸ˜¢
Anyone šŸ˜Ÿ
 
@YUSUFHASAN it looks straightforward enough, if a bit tedious. How far have you got with it?
 
Hello
For the circuit shown in the figure q1, q2, and q3 are the charges stored in the 3 microfarad, 4 microfarad, 5 microfarad capacitor respectively. Find the ratio of q1:q2:q3
ibb.co/WnbFHDH check this link for the image, please somebody reply asap i have an exam tmrw 😢
Anyone 😟
 
@JohnRennie I don't understand the feasibility of this happening. If lambda is varying with time,then how is the power being delivered is constant?
 
6:12 AM
@JacobP.J ibb.co/WnbFHDH
Link is dead in your comment here
 
Sorry
ibb.co/WnbFHDH
 
No. Problem
 
@JohnRennie are you free now?
 
You can ask after Yusuf @JacobP.J
 
Okay
 
6:15 AM
@YUSUFHASAN as the wavelength changes the energy per photon changes. If the power is being kept constant then the number of photons per second must be changing.
Step one is to work out the cutoff wavelength for photoemission i.e. take the 2eV work function and calculate the corresponding wavelength.
 
Yeah did that... Kind of stuck after that
 
You are told the light is on for 120 seconds, so you can work out how many of those 120 seconds the wavelength is below the cutoff wavelength.
 
Ohh... I see...Because the cycle is 2 minute on and 1 minute off?
 
Yes, I get the cutoff wavelength to be 620.4nm. Do we agree?
 
Yep... Got that as well..
 
6:19 AM
And the equation for the wavelength (in nm) is $\lambda = 300 + 4t$
And I get $t = 80$s as the time when the wavelength exceeds this. So photoelectrons are only produced for the first 80s of each 3 minute cycle.
Are we agreed so far?
 
Yeah.. I agree to this as well
 
So now all you have to do is come up with an equation for the number of photons per second as a function of time.
You know $\lambda = 300 + 4t$ and the photon energy is $E = hc/\lambda$
And the total power is 100W = 100J/sec
 
So... No. of photons= 100/(hc/lamda)?
 
Hey @JohnRennie
 
So the number of photons per second is $N = 100/E = 100\lambda/(hc)$
 
6:25 AM
Okay... Nd this should be integrated from 0 to 80,i believe? @JohnRennie
 
@JacobP.J hi Jacob. There's a bit of a queue at the moment but I'll be with you in a bit ...
 
@JohnRennie alright im waiting .
 
@YUSUFHASAN exactly, yes. That will give you the number of photons capable of creating a photoelectron in each 3 minute cycle. Then multiply that by the 1% efficiency.
 
@JohnRennie Okay thanks a lot!
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@YUSUFHASAN it's a bit of a tedious calculation, but basically straightforward.
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6:28 AM
@JohnRennie Yeah.. The final answer looks quite dirty here, but still, I got the concept! :)
 
@JohnRennie im here
 
19 mins ago, by Jacob P.J
For the circuit shown in the figure q1, q2, and q3 are the charges stored in the 3 microfarad, 4 microfarad, 5 microfarad capacitor respectively. Find the ratio of q1:q2:q3
ibb.co/WnbFHDH check this link for the image, please somebody reply asap i have an exam tmrw 😢
Anyone 😟
 
I got q1 as 30 micro columb
I am confused about the upper half
 
@JacobP.J the 3uF capacitor is easy isn't it, because you just use Q=CV and you know C and V. Yes?
 
6:31 AM
Yep
Thats why i got it
 
To do the top half you need to work out the voltage across the 4uF capacitor
 
Is the voltage across 4 same as that across 3uf
I guess not
 
To do this you combine the 1uF and 5uF capacitors into a single equivalent capacitor.
Can you do this, or do you need a hint?
 
The combined voltage across 4uf and that of the parallel equals battery voltage 10 v
 
Correct
 
6:33 AM
I dont know how to proceed with the calculation
 
You have a 1uF and 5uF capacitor in parallel. And capacitors in parallel add. So the total capacitance of those two capacitors is 6uF. Yes?
 
Is the charge across each arm the same since potential is same ?
@JohnRennie yea
 
So in effect you have a 4uF and a 6uF capacitor in series, and you know that the voltage across the two of them is 10V.
 
Yep
So i can calcukate net charge
Calculate*
Is this net charge equal to q1
 
No, it's not as simple as that, but it's not very hard.
The key is that the charge on the 4uF and 6uF capacitors must be the same.
Can you see why it must be the same, or should I explain why?
 
6:38 AM
Why
 
Let me do a quick diagram ...
 
Bcz they are In series?
I guess in series current is the same, so charge accumulated on each plate is same
 
Look at the point I've marked with the blue arrow.
There is no way for the total charge at this point to change because it's between two capacitors.
 
Yep i see it, is my series reasoning correct?
 
Yes :-)
 
6:41 AM
Oh yeah it wouldnt change
So q2 =q3
 
Yes. So the voltage on the 4uF capacitor is $V_4 = Q/4uF$ and the voltage on the 6uF capacitor is $V_6 = Q/6uF$.
 
But its further complicated , they have asked for the capacitor inside one of the parallel arrangement
 
And we know that the two voltages must add up to 10V so $V_4 + V_6 = 10$V. Yes?
So now you can work out Q, and that gives you the answer for the 4uF capacitor. Now, just one more step to go.
OK so far?
 
Ok
Then solve the parallel 1uf and 5uf
 
Now you know Q you can work out the voltage on the 4uF capacitor, which should come to 6V.
And that means the volatge across the 1/5 pair is 4V. Yes?
 
6:47 AM
Ao that across the parallel must be 4
Yes
 
BOOM! :-)
 
Lemme work it out
On an unrelated topic, i have a question about displacement current
 
@JohnRennie are you free now?
 
@Nobodyrecognizeable hi, yes
 
Inorder to explain displacement current my textbook used dc current in a circuit with conducting wires and capacitor, the wire has no net EF inside and hence no displacement current
I wonder what happens if ac is allowed to pass through the wire
 
Will there be displacement current created in addition to conduction current?
 
@JohnRennie hi. Are you busy
 
@Zerix I have two questions queued up :-)
 
Yes. I would like to ask after those ofc
 
@Nobodyrecognizeable you've snipped off the top of the question ...
 
6:59 AM
@JacobP.J so is it your physics test tomorrow?
 
@Zerix Yep
 
All the best!
 
Its saturday 12:29 pm here
@Zerix where are you from, im from India
 
India
 
7:01 AM
@Zerix thanks
Aha šŸ˜†
 
@Nobodyrecognizeable its not working why dont u type it out
 
@JohnRennie there are three charges as you see.
 
@Nobodyrecognizeable OK, Three charges at the corners of a triangle in the xy plane?
 
@JohnRennie the origin is defined tp be the centroid.
@JohnRennie although that is a triangle. Triangle is in xy plane .
 
7:07 AM
Are we given the dimensions of the triangle?
 
@JohnRennie yep sides are of length- L
 
Equilateral triangle then. OK.
And you're asked to find the z component at a height L above the triangle.
 
@JohnRennie yep component of electric field.....
 
That doesn't look all that hard, though the calculation is a bit fiddly.
 
Basically what I was saying that the potential at (0,0,L) is 0.
Now if the electric field is the gradient of the potential should not it be zero at that point ?
 
7:13 AM
Ah, I see what you're saying. Because that point is the same distance from all three charges, so the total potential should add up to zero.
 
@JohnRennie basically I can do the Calculation and I can find the answer what the thing which confuses me is that a b is equal to $E=-\partial V/\partial x$ then why the electric field should not be zero?
@JohnRennie yep that's for sure
 
Hmm ...
 
@Nobodyrecognizeable nice question btw which website?
 
@JacobP.J creepymind.com :p
 
šŸ˜‘ really?
 
7:18 AM
@JacobP.J it's my personal domain so you can understand now
 
I see
Good question tho
 
@Nobodyrecognizeable what is the correct answer? C?
 
@JohnRennie +4. But what's the answer to the doubt?
 
+4 ??
 
@JohnRennie ordinarily JEE main questions have 4 marks on them if you have them correct
 
7:22 AM
OK, but I was wondering which of the answers is correct
 
@JohnRennie yep c is correct and as always you are correct.
 
But doesn't that mean when L=0, i.e. at the centroid, the vertical component of the field goes to infinity? That can't be correct?
 
Ok let me send the solution again.
I think if l is equal to zero then you don't have a triangle you have a point and you are asking what is the electric field at that point who is necessarily needs to be infinity.
@JohnRennie ^^^^
So I think that predicts the accurate results
@JohnRennie hey professor are you here?
 
Give me a moment
Ah, that's what confused me. $L$ is both the edge length of the triangle and the distance above the plane.
I'll have to leave this for now as I have to work for a while now. Back later.
 
7:39 AM
@JohnRennie if you find out an answer please just post it.
 
 
2 hours later…
9:29 AM
@JohnRennie are you free?
 
@Zerix hi, yes
The chat room has quietened down now :-)
 
Hello
 
@JacobP.J hi
 
@JohnRennie when u have time will you please go through my second question about ac and wire
 
@JacobP.J I can wait. You should ask first. Your exam are also there
 
9:34 AM
@Zerix no you go on, you've been waiting since morning
Besides you came first šŸ˜€
 
@JacobP.J we tend to assume the wire is ideal and has zero resistance. In that case the electric field inside the wire is always zero whether we apply AC or DC.
 
Okay i see
 
Since the displacement current is $dE/dt$ (ignoring polarisation) that means the displacement current is always zero.
In a real wire the resistance isn't zero and there will be a non-zero field and hence a non-zero displacement current. But it will be small.
 
Will ac produce em waves as it passes through an ideal wire i guess no
 
Yes it will, after all that's precisely what a radio aerial does :-)
But under normal circumstances the radiation is negligible.
 
9:39 AM
Hm okay thanks
 
@Zerix your turn
 
A rod of length 3L is suspended from both ends with 2 ideal strings. Label the ends of the rod A and B. At a distance L from A lies a mass m1 and at a distance L from B lies a mass m2. The string in B is cut. What is the tension in the other string exactly when the string is cut?
How to proceed here
There will be fixed axis rotation about A
 
This was a question posted earlier, wasn't it?
 
@JohnRennie yes but we didn't get the solution
It's @Don'tbeax-tripledot question's
@JohnRennie how to write translation equation....
 
the rod starts accelerating downwards, and it also starts rotating about its centre of mass. You calculate the downwards acceleration just by taking the net vertical force and dividing by the mass. Note that the expression for this will include the unknown tension in the string $T$.
Now you take moments about the centre of mass to calculate the angular acceleration. Again the result will involve $T$.
Finally you require that the acceleration at the tied end of the rod be zero. This gives you an equation that you can solve for $T$.
 
9:46 AM
@JohnRennie doubt
The rod is massless
Why would tension affect the com then?
 
@Zerix The rod mass is the total mass of all the stuff that's falling so it's m1 + m2
 
Okay. That would make sense
 
The rod moment of inertia is the moment of inertia of the 2 masses.
And the centre of mass isn't in the middle of course.
 
Yes
 
All this makes the calculation tedious, but it's still straightforward.
I find it hard to get excited about calculations that are basically straightforward but involve lots of tedious calculations ...
 
9:54 AM
I was confused about the rod being massless and tension won't be there in translation equation
But Looks like I was wrong
 
Hmm, I am confused about the axis of rotation
I assumed it would be the tight end rather than the COM
 
Yes... Something to do with rod being massless
@JohnRennie why is the reason for the rod not rotating about fixed end
 
Ultimately you're going to be equating the linear acceleration with the angular acceleration. The linear acceleration is the acceleration of the centre of mass, so we use the centre of mass as our reference point.
The instantaneous centre of rotation is indeed the tied end of the rod, but choosing that as the reference point isn't going to help you do the calculation.
 
Okay
 
How should one write the equation of the angular acceleration?
I get $TL\dfrac{2m_2+m_1}{m_1+m_2}=(m_1+m_2)\alpha$
Am I correct?
 
10:07 AM
Calculate the torque and the moment of inertia, then use $\tau = I\alpha$
 
Ok
I get $I=L^2(m_1+4m_2)$
I haven't really worked a lot with rotation before so I'm quite unconfident
 
For point masses $I = m\ell^2$
 
Wait, should I concentrate the whole mass in the com and use $I=(m_1+m_2)x_{com}^2$?
 
Oops, I forgot to label the arrow pointing to the COM - it's the dashed one in the middle.
So you're going to get $I_1 = m_1L^2(m_2/(m_1 + m_2))^2$ and $I_2 = m_2L^2(m_1/(m_1 + m_2))^2$
Maybe everything is going to simplify, but it looks like tedious algebra to me ...
 
Oh, so you take $I$s about the com... I'm a rotation noob
Now the translation eq should be $(m_1+m_2)g-T=(m_1+m_2)a$
 
10:23 AM
Yes
 
I think it should be "don't be an x-triple dot" instead, @Don'tbeax-tripledot.
 
40 mins ago, by John Rennie
Now you take moments about the centre of mass to calculate the angular acceleration. Again the result will involve $T$.
 
And the upward acceleration of A due to the rotation is $(L + x)\alpha$
 
@Jasper That sounds quite weird to me
@JohnRennie Hold on a second, let me digest this :)
 
@Don'tbeax-tripledot That's because you pronounce x as ax, and we use "an" when there is a vowel sound. It's not the letter but the sound that matters.
 
10:25 AM
Focus gentlemen, this is a physics chat room not a use of English chat room.
 
Sorry. =)
2
 
Now you told me that I should use $\tau=I\alpha$. $\tau$ about the com just $T(L+x)$ because the two masses obviously have no effect wrt. the COM, right?
 
The total torque about the COM (we'll take clockwise to be positive) is $\tau = +T(L+x) - m_1gx + m_2g(L-x)$
 
Hold on a second, isn't $m_2(L-x)-m_1x=0$?
$\iff m_2L=(m_1+m_2)x\iff m_2L=(m_1+m_2)Lm_2/(m_1+m_2)=Lm_2$
I feel like I'm missing something here...
 
@Don'tbeax-tripledot Ah, good point, yes of course. You're correct that they will sum to zero because that's how the centre of mass is calculated.
That will simplify the algebra a bit
 
10:34 AM
So now we basically have: $$T(L+x)=(m_1L^2(m_2/(m_1 + m_2))^2+
m_2L^2(m_1/(m_1 + m_2))^2)\alpha$$
 
Yes
 
It looks so hard lol
 
@Zerix it's messy, but not hard.
 
I'll try to shorten that down a bit to simplify our existence
Which boils down to $$T(L+x)=\dfrac{m_1m_2L^2\alpha}{(m_1+m_2)^2}(m_1+m_2)=\dfrac{m_1m_2L^2\alpha}{m‌​_1+m_2}$$ I think
To sum up: $$\begin{cases}T(L+x)=\dfrac{m_1m_2L^2\alpha}{mā€Œā€‹_1+m_2}\\ (m_1+m_2)g-T=(m_1+m_2)a\end{cases}$$
 
I often like to check calculations by making a simplifying assumption. Suppose $m_1 = m_2$ so the COM is in the middle. Put $m_1 = m_2$ in your equation and check it gives the right result.
@Don'tbeax-tripledot yes
 
10:41 AM
@JohnRennie I do this all the time as well :)
To proceed...
57 mins ago, by John Rennie
Finally you require that the acceleration at the tied end of the rod be zero. This gives you an equation that you can solve for $T$.
 
Yes, if the angular acceleration is $\alpha$ then the linear acceleration at A is just $\alpha(L+x)$.
For A to remain stationary this (upwards) linear acceleration must be equal and opposite to the downwards acceleration of the centre of mass.
 
So $\alpha(L+x)=g-T/(m_1+m_2)$
I am curious if we get the correct result
 
@JohnRennie so calculate com. Then find moment of inertia about COM
 
@Zerix yes
 
Use torque equation to find angular acceleration
Torque due to tension only?
Then use the translation equation to calculate acceleration
And finally equate translation equation to angular avveleration at B
@JohnRennie ^^
Is this all we have to do
 
10:48 AM
At A not B. A is the tied end.
 
Okay. So A
 
Wait a second...
Does $L$ cancel?
 
@Zerix Remember that for a rotating object a distance $\ell$ from the pivot the linear acceleration is $a = \ell\alpha$
So you are equating $\ell\alpha$ to the downward acceleration of the COM
 
Got it
 
But $L$ is not given
 
10:50 AM
@Zerix when you start doing the mechanics stuff in JEE you'll run into problems like this, though they won't be as messy.
 
I have solved similar question but the rod wasn't massless. It was easy in that case
 
From eq. (1), $$\alpha=\dfrac{T(L+x)(m_1+m_2)}{m_1m_2L^2}$$ so $$\dfrac{T(L+x)^2(m_1+m_2)}{m_1m_2L^2}=g-\dfrac{T}{m_1+m_2}$$
 
@Don'tbeax-tripledot The result is obviously going to depend on L because the rotation depends on L while the downward acceleration doesn't ...
 
Well, the "result" given by them does not contain $L$ whatsoever
:|
Oh we also have to substitute $x$...
 
On the left you have a factor of $L^2$ in both the numerator and denominator so they will cancel.
 
10:56 AM
Yeah Yeah
Let me do the calculations
 
@Zerix the principle is the same. This is just messy because it's two point masses so all the quantities involved are functions of the masses.
 
Yeah. The equation are used in the same way
But I calculated alpha from the tied end and substituted it in the translation equation
 
:C
It still doesn't give the correct result, I'll redo the calculations
 
@Don'tbeax-tripledot does it look as though it has the right form? i.e. that it could just be a calculation error?
 
Mhm, not even close
Perhaps I've made multiple calculation errors
Let me redo them
Here's what I get... If you have time to check that would be great
2 days ago, by Don't be a x-triple dot
If I recall correctly the solution is among the lines $m_1m_2g/(4m_1+m_2)$
(they probably had masses swapped as well but that doesn't matter much)
Thanks a lot for your help @JohnRennie! If you spot the mistake let me know, but the point is that I've understood the method
 
11:23 AM
@Don'tbeax-tripledot that's a scary answer
@JohnRennie are you free for 2 minutes
 
I'm free if it's quick
 
What's the question
2 hours ago, by Zerix
A rod of length 3L is suspended from both ends with 2 ideal strings. Label the ends of the rod A and B. At a distance L from A lies a mass m1 and at a distance L from B lies a mass m2. The string in B is cut. What is the tension in the other string exactly when the string is cut?
This?
 
Yes
 
@Don'tbeax-tripledot if $m_1 = m_2$ both your result and the answer give the same result of $mg/5$
 
Q31
I don't know what to follow here
 
11:27 AM
P(V)^x= constant
 
I know about that. But how to calculate x here
I got (C)
I guess isotherm means temperature is same
The graphs made it hard
 
@AvnishKabaj do you know how to do q30
I am stuck there also
Wait don't mind me
 
You can use the ideal gas equation
To get the standard pv^x form
After that a standard jee book has everything you need to proceed
I can't teach an entire topic
As well as a book
 
@Don'tbeax-tripledot your result is correct. It matches the answer!!
(though they've swapped m1 and m2)
It's because $4m_1^2 + 5m_1m_2 +m_2^2 = (4m_1 + m_2)(m_1 + m_2)$
 
11:37 AM
Ah lol, I'm so dumb
@JohnRennie Thank you very much!!
 
@Don'tbeax-tripledot :-)
 
Dammit I just finished
 
@JohnRennie I had a tiny doubt in Q30
Volume and pressure is both changing
We don't know the values of them
āˆ†H=āˆ†U+āˆ†PV
 
@Zerix I'm busy now, sorry. I will be around tomorrow but I'm going to be very busy tomorrow first thing because it's a Windows update weekend.
 
11:40 AM
@JohnRennie okay.
 
 
2 hours later…
1:26 PM
Anybody wants to help me with an optics problem ?
What happened to Sammy gerbil ?
 
No one knows ¯\_(惄)_/¯
 
 
1 hour later…
2:38 PM
Anyone wants to try this question.
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/461108/derivation-of-mean-free-path?noredirect=1#comment1035219_461108
 

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