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12:00 AM
Now let me show you the components of forces in the bottommost position.
 
@LoopBack I do not understand how this demonstrates that the normal reaction is not the same at all points on the (hemi-)sphere.
 
@sammygerbil Wait my explanation is not over yet. It has just begun
So in the bottommost position $F\sin \theta = R$ and $F \cos \theta = mg$
@sammygerbil Now this is how components of forces look like when the ball is in the dotted position
@sammygerbil This clearly shows that $F \cos \theta$ has decreased which means $F $ has decreased but the angle $\theta$ is same
@sammygerbil And previously $F \sin \theta=R \sin \alpha$, but now $F \sin \theta=R\sin \theta$. And $R \sin \theta$ is less than R. So R has increased
@sammygerbil Now my explanation is over
Sorry my last sentence is incorrect. let me rewrite it
@sammygerbil And previously $F \sin \theta=R$, but now $F \sin \theta=R\sin \alpha$. And $R \sin \alpha$ is less than R. So R has increased
 
12:19 AM
@LoopBack Sorry it is not clear to me. I didn't understand the significance of the two positions of the ball. I shall have to study this to try to understand what you are saying.
 
@sammygerbil See the first figure, where the string is intersecting the hemisphere. It shows that there are two points where the string makes same angle with the vertical. You can read my explanation again
 
@LoopBack ok I get this. But I don't get why $F\sin\theta=R$ and $F\cos\theta=mg$ in the lower position.
 
@sammygerbil as you said the ball is moving gradually so all the forces must be balanced
 
yes so how are you balancing them?
 
With the force F. The force F can be varied until it's cos component equals mg
And sin component will be handled by R
 
12:31 AM
@LoopBack Sorry I don't understand this.
 
@sammygerbil What do you think it should be then?
 
@LoopBack What do I think what should be? What is 'it'?
$\theta$ is the same in the 2 positions. $\alpha$ is different.
 
Yes and alpha is 90 in this position
 
Why 90 degrees?
$\alpha$ is the angle between $R$ and the vertical?
 
Because it is the bottommost position and R will point radially outward
Yes
From the vertical. I mentioned it my diagram
😂
 
12:38 AM
@LoopBack ok
now for the upper position
 
Yes?
 
32 mins ago, by Loop Back
@sammygerbil This clearly shows that $F \cos \theta$ has decreased which means $F $ has decreased but the angle $\theta$ is same
 
So?
 
I don't get this.
 
Previously Fcos theta=mg(a constant)
But now F cos theta + Rcos alpha =mg
Which means F cos theta must have decreased
Which means F has decreased
And the decrease in F is not because of theta as is unchanged
Clear?
 
12:48 AM
@LoopBack Sorry still not following.
Is $F$ the same in both positions?
 
In the former case F cos theta was equal to mg which is a constant
Ok let me write it this way
 
@LoopBack ok I think I've to this part. So $F$ has decreased.
 
Yes.... Thank God
@sammygerbil F has decreased means options A and D are incorrect
 
@LoopBack Yes I got that with Ice Inkberry.
I agree that $F$ decreases. But what about $R$ ($=N$)?
39 mins ago, by Loop Back
@sammygerbil And previously $F \sin \theta=R \sin \alpha$, but now $F \sin \theta=R\sin \theta$. And $R \sin \theta$ is less than R. So R has increased
 
So?
You pasted the wrong statement
I has rewriten this statement, below this incorrect statement
 
12:57 AM
Previously we had $F\sin\theta=R\sin90$ now we have $F\sin\theta=R\sin\alpha$.
@LoopBack ok sorry
 
sammygerbil And previously Fsinθ=R, but now Fsinθ=Rsinα. And Rsinα is less than R. So R has increased
This is the correct statement
 
39 mins ago, by Loop Back
@sammygerbil And previously $F \sin \theta=R$, but now $F \sin \theta=R\sin \alpha$. And $R \sin \alpha$ is less than R. So R has increased
Let's call lower position 1 and upper position 2. Then $F_1\sin\theta=R_1$ and $F_2\sin\theta=R_2\sin\alpha$.
$F_1 \gt F_2$
 
Oh yes I didn't notice that F1>F2
 
So $F_1\sin\theta \gt F_2\sin\theta$ therefore $R_1 \gt R_2\sin\alpha$
 
Cannot say whether R has decreased or not
 
1:04 AM
That's right. It could be the same. :)
 
@sammygerbil Wait I have something else to say. Theta=90 - alpha
Check out my diagram
As theta+ alpha =angle between tangent( the string) and normal of the hemisphere
 
I think $2\theta=90-\alpha$.
 
Why 2 theta
 
$\theta$ is angle between horizontal and the radius going to the midpoint between the 2 positions of the ball, the dot in your 2nd diagram.
So angular separation of the ball positions is $2\theta$.
 
Theta is between vertical and string
 
1:11 AM
Yes. Also related to ball positions.
 
So theta = 90 - alpha
 
Why
As the string is tangent to the hemisphere theta+ alpha = 90
See this
@sammygerbil
 
Where is the lower position in this diagram?
 
I m say specifically for this position
Not for the entire case
 
1:17 AM
You have to show the relation between the two positions to get the relation $2\theta=90-\alpha$. Or $\theta=90-\alpha$ if you prefer.
 
Yes
 
Why not draw a diagram in which $\alpha+\theta \ne 90$?
 
Because the question allows me to take any position between the top a the bottommost point
And if the question is correct then it should also be true for rest of the case
 
Here's the proof : In your last diagram the string is tangent to the hemisphere at the position of the upper ball, because it is at right angles to the normal. But in your earlier diagrams the string is tangent at the midpoint of the two positions of the ball.
 
@sammygerbil I proved that R2>R1 see this
 
1:24 AM
Hey all! :-)
 
@user64829 morning!
 
And $cosec \theta - tan² \theta>0 \forall \theta \in (0,0.855)$
 
I have a doubt in thermodynamics, let me know when you're done with Loop.
 
I can solve your doubt user
 
Okie, cool
 
1:26 AM
You can ask me if you want? @sammygerbil look at my derivation
 
0.5 mole of diatomic gas at 300K is heated at constant pressure so that its volume is tripled. If R=8.3 (SI units) then work done is?
 
@LoopBack If your derivation is based on your diagram in which you show that $\theta+\alpha=90$ then I think it's wrong. Have you looked at my disproof?
5 mins ago, by sammy gerbil
Here's the proof : In your last diagram the string is tangent to the hemisphere at the position of the upper ball, because it is at right angles to the normal. But in your earlier diagrams the string is tangent at the midpoint of the two positions of the ball.
 
2490 J
 
wait
Since it's not an ideal gas how can we use V1/T1 = V2/T2 ? Shouldn't we use T1*V1^(γ-1)=T2*V2^(γ-1) ?
γ is specific heat ratio
 
How can you say the gas isn't ideal
 
1:32 AM
It's diatomic
 
@sammygerbil which earlier diagram?
Who said diatomic gas can't be ideal
 
@sammygerbil In this diagram the ball cannot fit in the midpoint because it's radius won't allow, so the position will be slightly at higher position
 
Then what is the significance of this T1*V1^(γ-1)=T2*V2^(γ-1) equation? When do we use P1*V1^(γ)=P2*V2^(γ)
 
@user this not an adiabatic process. So you can't use this equation
Adiabatic process is a process where neither heat enters the system nor leaves. But here the gas is being heated
 
1:39 AM
@LoopBack If the ball has the same radius in both positions then the tangent point of the string will be the midpoint between them.
 
@sammygerbil you are misinterpreting my diagram. I said the string will be parallel to a tangent at some point of the hemisphere. But this doesn't mean that the ball will be at that point. Wait I'll explain you with a diagram
 
I understand that the ball will not be at the tangent point. But in your diagram showing $\alpha+\theta=90$ degrees it is at the tangent point of the string.
 
Let PQ be the tangent to the hemisphere
If the ball were at this position the string would become like this
 
@LoopBack OH! I'm stupid
Thank you
Thermodynamics is kinda confusing :/
 
So instead I took this position where the string is in the direction of tangent
@user64829 np
@sammygerbil do you understand now
 
1:46 AM
@LoopBack No. You have not shown the bottom-most position in your diagram.
 
Ok see this
 
The string is not parallel to the tangent PQ in this diagram. Why not?
 
That what I m saying , the ball cannot be at the point of tangent but slightly higher
 
@LoopBack Yes I agree it is not at the tangent point. Therefore $\alpha+\theta \ne 90$ degrees.
 
For that point, but not for the upper one
For upper point it is
 
1:50 AM
The diagram showing $\alpha+\theta=90$, is that the upper point or not?
 
Yes it is the upper point
 
But it is at the point where the string is tangent to the hemisphere.
You said the ball cannot be there.
 
The ball cannot be at the tangent point
But it can be at a higher point
 
Can you demonstrate $\alpha+\theta=90$ on a diagram containing both positions of the ball?
 
The bottommost and the upper point
 
1:53 AM
yes, both positions
 
The string does not go to the centre of the lower ball.
Also the radius does not look perpendicular to the tangent.
 
I can make mistake in drawing, because this ain't a perfect sphere
 
Wait, are you trying to prove that Normal force isn't constant every time?
 
And the hemisphere does not look complete : the tangent should be vertical at the lowest point.
@user64829 Yes. Do you have a proof that it is or is not constant?
The answer to the problem says it is constant.
 
2:03 AM
I guess, take 2 extreme cases. Once when the small sphere is just above the ground (near the equator). Let the angle string makes with vertical be theta. Resolving tension, you get Normal force = mgTan theta
 
@LoopBack Well try using compasses and ruler. You will find it even more difficult to draw the diagram which proves $\alpha+\theta=90$ degrees.
 
@sammygerbil so you are trying to say there isn't any such point
 
Consider another case where the small sphere is right above the big hemisphere. Here the tension will be 0 and normal reaction will be mg
So it isn't constant
Since tantheta is not = 1
Am I correct?
 
@LoopBack That's right. I am saying $2\theta+\alpha=90$.
Because the tangent point of the string is the midpoint of the 2 ball positions.
The string is a chord of a circle of radius $R+r$. The radius is perpendicular to every chord at its midpoint.
 
Ok I get it
@sammygerbil see this
 
2:13 AM
@user64829 That is what I thought initially. But when I looked at the equations I found it is not correct. It works only if you are exactly at the top.
 
@sammygerbil you're correct
 
@sammygerbil I didn't get you, what?
 
@user64829 You can balance the ball exactly at the top with no tension in the string. However, if you go just a tiny distance either side you need some tension in the string to keep the ball from sliding off the hemisphere.
Another point is that when the ball is at the top you can divide the weight of the ball between normal reaction and tension in the string in any ratio you choose so that $F+R=W$. So instead of the ball resting on the sphere with $F=0, R=W$ you could have the ball totally suspended by the string with $F=W$ and $R=0$.
 
Oh yeah...
 
@sammygerbil r u there?
 
2:27 AM
hello
 
@sammygerbil do you agree that there is a point where alpha= theta
 
@LoopBack Yes.
 
@sammygerbil if yes then the question is incorrect
@sammygerbil see this
Diagram 1 is
Diagram 2 is
So both R and F decreases
@sammygerbil what do you say?
 
@LoopBack Sorry I am getting too tired to think. I shall have to sleep now. I have to go somewhere in the morning but will be back around 3pm UK time tomorrow. Goodnight chhaatr.
 
Good night
 
2:40 AM
Another doubt in thermodynamics
Why is dQ= nCp (change in temperature)?
We can tell that dU = nCvdT since if volume is constant, all the heat energy will be used to change internal energy ( no work is done)
Didn't understand why dQ= nCpdT
 
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3:08 AM
@sammygerbil Oh, please tell me about what you did. I read your and Loop back's conversation above but couldn't follow it.
 
3:30 AM
@sammygerbil btw your expression $\alpha +2\theta =90$ is wrong check it once again.
 
@JohnRennie, hello
 
@blue_eyed_... morning :-)
 
@JohnRennie, good morning.
Please explain me about the direction of waves motion
 
OK, let me draw a diagram ...
 
Ok @JohnRennie
 
3:47 AM
@blue_eyed_... this shows a wave moving along the x axis.
If you look at the node I've marked with a blue dot then you see that it moves to the right along the axis. Yes?
 
@JohnRennie,please mention the corresponding equations
 
This is just the usual $\sin(\omega t- kx)$
 
@JohnRennie, I can see that
 
Now the node is where the amplitude is zero, so at the node $\sin(\omega t- kx) = 0$
OK so far?
 
@JohnRennie, yeah.. Perfectly
 
3:51 AM
And for $\sin$ to be zero its argument must by zero or a multiple of $2\pi$ i.e. $\omega t- kx = 2\pi n$ for some integer $n$.
The different values of $n$ apply to the different nodes in the wave. let's assume our blue dot is the node where $n=0$ i.e.
$$ \omega t- kx = 0 $$
Does this make sense so far, because we are nearly there?
 
@JohnRennie, yes. It's ok
 
Good, because now all we have to do is rearrange the equation to get:
$$ x = \frac{\omega}{k} t $$
And that's just the equation $x = vt$ where $v$ is the velocity. So $v = \omega/k$.
 
@JohnRennie, what do we conclude from here?
 
We conclude our blue dot is moving right at a velocity $v = +\omega/k$.
And since the blue dot is fixed to the wave that means the wave is moving right as well.
 
@JohnRennie, oh yeah..along positive x direction
 
4:00 AM
If we started with $\sin(\omega t + kx)$ then we would have got $v = -\omega/k$ i.e. moving left.
 
Hey @JohnRennie Take a look at this
 
@JohnRennie, also what's the difference between the two wave equations y=A.sin(wt-kx) and y=A.sin(kx-wt)?
 
@blue_eyed_... $\omega t -kx = -(kx - \omega t)$
So it's just the difference between $\sin(a)$ and $\sin(-a)$
 
@JohnRennie, In which case we use which equation?
 
4:04 AM
It's conventional to use $\sin(\omega t - kx)$, but it's just a convention. Either form works.
@user64829 in a few minutes ...
 
@JohnRennie, do both represent the same wave as you had shown in the figure earlier
 
@JohnRennie Sure
 
@blue_eyed_... $\sin(-a) = -\sin(a) = \sin(a + \pi)$
So they are the same wave just reflected in the $x$ axis, or shifted along the $x$ axis by $\pi$
 
@JohnRennie, that means if one eqn represents wave above x axis then the other represents wave below x axis, is it?
 
@blue_eyed_... yes, or one eqn is the wave and the other is the same wave just shifted along the x axis a bit.
 
4:18 AM
@JohnRennie, are these correct?
 
Ha, we both drew the same diagram at the same time :-)
@blue_eyed_... Yes
 
@JohnRennie, are these equations and corresponding diagrams correct
 
@blue_eyed_... $\cos(a) = \cos(-a)$
So $\cos(\omega t - kx) = \cos(kx - \omega t)$
 
@JohnRennie, so they represent same wave?
 
Yes
 
4:27 AM
@JohnRennie, In that figure, which figure is correct for the cosine function
 
Well, take $x = t = 0$, then what is the value of $\cos(\omega t - kx)$?
 
y=A cos 0=A
@JohnRennie
 
Yes, $y = +A$, not $-A$, so the lower diagram is correct.
(assuming you've drawn the diagrams at the time $t=0$)
 
@JohnRennie, and y=A cos (wt+kx) and y=A cos (kx+wt). Do these equations also represent the same wave?
 
$\omega t + kx = kx + \omega t$
 
4:33 AM
@JohnRennie, these two equations also represent the Lower diagram?
 
@blue_eyed_... $\cos(\omega t + kx)$ gives you a wave moving left while $\cos(\omega t - kx)$ gives you a wave moving right. They are identical at time $t=0$ but start moving apart for $t>0$.
 
@JohnRennie, okay. I got it now. Thank you very much
 
Cool :-)
@user64829 we've finished discussing waves if you're still around.
 
Yes
I am
 
The work one by the system is $\int PdV$. Yes?
 
4:41 AM
yes
 
And the integral is just the area under the curve.
 
Yes
 
So consider the diagonal line $A \to B$. The area under the curve is the trapezoid under the line.
 
Hold on, when you type something within '$' symbol, is it supposed to be displayed in equation?
If so, something is wrong here, It's diplaying exactly what you're typing
 
You need to install the MathJax macros. MathJax isn't automatically converted in the chat room.
But note that it only works on PCs not on phones.
If you're using a phone then while you can get MathJax to work it's much more complicated.
 
4:46 AM
I'm on my PC
Gimme few secs until I install it
 
In that case the link I gave will work
 
Added
$Hi=Hello$
 
Does it work?
 
Umm...no
SE chat MathJax extension was added to chrome
Works :-)
 
Cool :-)
 
4:49 AM
I had forgotten to refresh the page haha
@JohnRennie Yes
 
@user64829 actually. let's take a step back and start at the beginning ...
How far have you got with this question?
 
One sec, I think I got how to do it, give me few seconds
I got it. If the arrow moves from left to right, we gotta consider work as +ve and vice versa. Then we have to add the corresponding pieces of areas keeping proper sign convention right?
 
Yes
 
Cool! Thank you!
 
 
2 hours later…
6:38 AM
@JohnRennie good morning
 
@harambe morning :-)
 
I had some doubt
Wouldn't the 8uF get short circuited here
 
Wow, that's ... complicated :-)
 
Yeah... I thought of avoiding this but couldn't resist asking here xd
To me the circuit looks short circuited except for the 36uF
 
@harambe yes, after much redrawing I agree. Only the 36 uF capacitor isn't short circuited.
 
6:44 AM
So that would mean no charge on 8uF right?
Also can you show me your redrawn circuit
 
Are we agreed that the 7 and 9uF capacitors are obviously shorted an can be ignored?
 
Yes
 
OK, give me a few moments to draw the circuit ...
Oh hang on ...
The 6, 4 and 8 uF capacitors are all in parallel ...
(c) ?
 
7:02 AM
@JohnRennie yes
 
BOOM! :-)
 
I honestly thought they short circuit ed
 
So did I at first glance
That's why you have to be really careful rearranging the circuits. It was only when I used the colours that I realised my first attempt was wrong.
 
@JohnRennie Good morning. May you spare some time now with a vector calculus problem? It is about cross product
 
@JD_PM OK ... ?
 
7:12 AM
 
7:33 AM
@JohnRennie are you back
 
@harambe hi, I'm doing bits and pieces of work so ask and I'll answer if I can
 
Q14
I am getting the ratio to be 3 but it's given to be 3/5
Am I right
I calculated equivalent capacitance to be 2C
So energy is 1/2C$V^2$
 
No
After the switch has been opened the charge on B has to remain constant but the voltage will change when the dielectric is inserted.
 
@JohnRennie What is the trick to redraw circuit in problems where we are asked to find effective capacitance/resistance?
 
Conversely A is still connected to the battery so the voltage on A has to remain constant but the charge can change when the dielectric is inserted.
@user64829 I don't think there is a trick. You just have to play with the layout until you get something that makes sense. I like to colour the different bits of wire so I can keep track of them as I rearrange the circuit.
As in:
47 mins ago, by John Rennie
user image
 
7:47 AM
@JohnRennie okay. That makes sense. Let me retry this
@JohnRennie got it
I think I assumed the dielectric gets placed on capacitor and the switch gets close down again
 
@harambe Cool :-)
 
8:50 AM
@JohnRennie hi
 
@Abcd morning :-)
 
@JohnRennie do you know bonding in coordination complexes
 
@Abcd I doubt I remember enough about it to be of much help
 
@JohnRennie ...Okay :/
No expert available to ask my question to :/.
 
Well you can ask, but I may not be able to answer ...
 
8:53 AM
@JohnRennie why is $\ce{[Cu(NH3)4]^{2+}}$ have Cu as dsp2 hybridised
 
@Abcd technically it isn't. It's an octahedral geometry with four ammonia and two water molecules
 
does* not is
@JohnRennie then it would sp3d2
@JohnRennie my book says its dsp2
@JohnRennie its a common complex ....
 
It would be whatever the octahedral structure is. I'd have to Google for that as I don't recall the details.
 
@JohnRennie Jasmine has transferred electron from last d orbital to 4p. Why?? I have never seen that done anywhere.
in JEE/High School Chemistry Problems, 1 min ago, by Abcd
@Jasmine I have never seen electron being transferred from d to 4p
 
@Abcd I can't remember enough about it comment. Sorry.
 
9:52 AM
A rope of length 30 cm is on the horizontal table with maximum length hanging from edge A of the table. The coefficient of friction between the rope and the table is 0.5. The distance of center of mass of the rope from A is?
Firstly, 20 cm of rope will be on the table right?
 
10:52 AM
@user64829 yes
 
 
1 hour later…
12:04 PM
@JohnRennie, please see this
 
@blue_eyed_... that's a standing wave.
 
@JohnRennie, what's the general equation for that?
 
Have you studied standing waves at all?
 
@JohnRennie, yeah..., y=2a cos(kx).sin(wt) is the equation for standing wave which I've derived using the superposition of y=a sin(wt-kx) and y=a sin(wt+kx)
 
That's exactly what you have in this question.
Well, it's $A \sin(kx) \cos(\omega t)$ not $A \cos(kx) \sin(\omega t)$ but they are the same wave.
 
12:12 PM
@JohnRennie, okay. Let me try then
 
@blue_eyed_... I need to go now. I might be around later, or failing that I'll be back tomorrow morning.
 
 
2 hours later…
1:46 PM
Hello, anyone?
 
2:17 PM
In an adiabatic process, dQ=0, n.Cp.dT=0
This is only possible when dT=0 right?
Since n and Cp are non-zero
Then why does temperature change during adiabatic process?
 
2:29 PM
@user64829, I guess nCpdT is only used in case of constant pressure.
 
Well,
Why don't we get the answer if we use nCvdT in the problem above?
 
2:48 PM
@user64829, what answer did you get?
 
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