@Aghori This "thanks" meant for whom ? @Aghori :D

@Aghori Thanks!

First of all Each Veda is divided into four portion Samhita, Brahamnas, Aranyakas and Upanishads

@Tezz This is wrong. Vedas have no such divisions. Vedas or Sruti are only the Samhitas. Others are later formed as supplementary texts. Brahmanas etc are not Vedas.

@Rickross I think it varies with different persons. Some believe only Samhitas are Vedas while some believe all 4 parts are Vedas.

@TheDestroyer Who are these some? I think everyone believes that Veda Samhitas only are the revelations.

@Rickross Yeah. Samhitas are core and direct Revelations in state of Tapasya. But I think Vedantins believe in all portions equally. but not sure. They at least believe in Upanishads which are based on other portions except Isha. So, i think they must believe equally all portions as VEdas.

@TheDestroyer Someone believing in some texts is alrite but that does not mean that those texts become as important as Vedas. Also it does not depend on what some group of people think. Vedantins believe in BS. Then what if they start saying BS is also Vedas?

@Rickross But BS has many differences with Vedas. But this subject has different opinions. Some believe Aranyakas, Brahmanas and Upanishads are true by meaning only while Samhitas are true by word and meaning.

@Rickross Mahabharata says all portions are Vedas...

@Rickross but in any case it depends on interpretation.... like Arya Samaj people consider Samhita only as Vedas...

@TheDestroyer I am not saying true or false. They are also important texts. But Samhitas are the Vedas. So, if some Q is Does Veda says? Then ideally it should be answered from the Veda Samhitas only.

@Tezz Some scripture also says MB is the 5th Veda? So what are we going to do with that?

@Tezz I don't think it depends on interpretation. Vedas means the samhiats. Others are not revelations. They are supplementary texts to the Vedas.

@Rickross Samhita and Brahmana are also mixed in Taittariya Samhita....

@Rickross what do you think mantras like 'Sadyojatam Prapadyami' 'Ishana Sarva vidyanaam' etc... are not revelations?..

@Tezz I believe in Samhitas =Vedas. Om namo Bhagavate Rudraya is also from TB.

@Rickross Oh... where do you find it in Taittariya Brahamana?..

@Tezz I have the numbers. Can't remember now.

yes arya samaj right .. i dont know why people have problem to accept it

@Rickross Oh I was searching for source of that mantra for long time...

@Tezz OHk

if vedas are revelation to rishi then it must be samhita only else show me the seers for upanishad and other sections ?

@RakeshJoshi what do you think about Taittriya Samhita. It is mixed.

mixed means ?

u mean taittariya upanishad?

@Rickross however I believe Aranyakas, Upanishads are also Vedas because of Mahabharata, Shiva Purana, Linga Purana etc..

@Rickross in any case you may post an answer to that question considering only from Samhita...

@RakeshJoshi Yajna valkya vomited Yajurveda. It has Samhita, Brahman, Aranyakas.

@Tezz No his question is not clear.

no you believe they are vedas because if upanishad are not actual vedas then it would hurtt those who follow Vedanta

@RakeshJoshi mixed means Samhita and Brahmana are mixed in Taittariya Samhita....

any mantra which has a seer is direct revelation else not .

some say puran as pancham vedas .. now its naive to compare samita to a purana or an itihasa !!!

@RakeshJoshi I used to think that everyone knows that Veda Samhitas are the Vedas. So i am a bit surprised to see that many people have other opinions.

@RakeshJoshi Do you believe in Yajnavalkya and Taittri birds story

@TheDestroyer even if that story is true then also veda is samhita only cos again he did penance and got revelation os white yajurveda

@RakeshJoshi No have not noticed. Only now noticing it.

which again is samhita primary then BU and others

what about Vomited and picked up Taittriya Samhita?

@TheDestroyer @Tezz since the beginning i was saying that there is nothing such as vedaadi or vedanta

@RakeshJoshi Yes. Everyone accepts Samhita is primary.

vomited samhita was absorbed by his pupil .. isnt it ?

@Rickross most of the Vedanta Acharyas like Adi Shankara, Srikantha, Ramanuja etc... consider all portion as Vedas... actually they primarily focus on Upanishad... so many people at present time also believe all parts as Vedas...

@RakeshJoshi But it still has Brahmanas in that Samhita.

see for example brihadaranyaka is kind of an aranyaka but classified under upanishad

but if you say taittariya brahmana has samhita mantras then is it fully mantras of samhita or ??

@TheDestroyer

@Tezz Fine. If they say Upanishads are also Vedas then nothing can be done.

BTw i upvoted ur answer coz i noticed that a correct answer and a well researched one got as many as 3 downvotes.. @Tezz

And this is why i always want commenting compulsory with downvoting @Tezz

@Rickross recently my all answer which are primarily focusing on Lord Shiva are being downvoted... and I understand the reason as well...

@Tezz It's not even difficult to guess from whom those downvotes came,

@Rickross This is where SE is bad.

@Tezz Its bad. And these guys are pathetic. Why dont u have the guts to say why u downvoted?? It bad specially when u worked hard for compiling an answer.. And people like u & me write a lot of answers so for us it feels even worse.

@Rickross Yes. Just downvoting becuase answer is not accordance witrh their Acharyas thoughts is very bad. It takes lots of efforts to write an answer here fetching all sources. These narrow minded people downvote them.

@Rickross Yeah... but what can we do... we may just say Karma shall boomerang...😀😀

dont go to karma theroy .. it has hurted hindus much

@TheDestroyer Yes i can name them too... :D.. One is actually quite famous.. His principle activity on the site is downvoting posts which say Shiva is parabrahman.. But nothing can be done Shiva is indeed Parabrahman :D

when we say vedas are apaurusheya revelation then it should mean samhita only isn it ?

@Rickross haha lol..😀😀

@RakeshJoshi Yes thats why asked for mantras from Samhitas only..i have a Q on that.

why u people not saying name

@RakeshJoshi yeah but the thing is most people believe all parts are Vedas (which I too)... so sometimes we have to just write for sake of people of site...

@Rickross We can easily guess them. It's not difficult. But this practice is bad. If answer demeans their God (obviously no one would do it) or something offensive, they should downvote it. Not because if an answer praising Shiva. I may discuss curbing this practise.

@Tezz The people belonging to only one sect are like that..something to think about.. What do they do? what do they eat? I see great similarities bteen them and the mUs.

Many answers of Tezz praising Shiva are being downvoted. Obviously, we can't allow it.

@RakeshJoshi It's not good practise to name them in public chats.

@TheDestroyer Yes downvoting without any reasons. You can start Meta post on this issue. This is bad for the site.

@TheDestroyer well I too know the downvoter... actually before writing todays answer I had recorded reputations and votes cast of every user as I was sure it would be downvoted... So I quickly knew it... 😀😀

@Tezz haha smart

@Rickross haha...

@Tezz It is because of these users i am starting to downvote again.

@Rickross @Tezz @RakeshJoshi Guess what happens others downvote their answers praising their God. They would get total negative score always.

@Rickross well if same thing continues for long we should also teach them a lesson...

@Rickross Don't refrain from downvoting. Initially, even i was relcutant and i also removed my some of downvotes because of some guilty feeling.

@Tezz Some people scream from the day till night that their God is supreme..This only shows that that it is not the case.. Supremacy can't be proved or need not require to be proved..Supremacy is something that is self evident.. None says that look this is the sun he is the supreme in the morning sky..coz that is simply not needed.. Shiva -Shakti's supremacy is also selfevident..No effort is needed to prove it. @TheDestroyer

@Tezz Yes we should . These guys are irritating..

@Rickross yeah it is as denying oneself...

@Tezz @Rickross If an answer praising their rival God, they can ignore it. Just like i don't upvote to philosophy which i don't follow or Smritis which i don't follow. Downvoting is meant for wrong answer. Downvoting every answer which praising Shiva is bad. This doesn't come under wrong answer. These are philosophical differences. There are different and unfortunately they can't understand it.

@Rickross @Tezz Actually, i asked a different question when i joined this site.

@TheDestroyer @Tezz The most irritating comment i find is " I don't demean Shiva and i consider him as the greatest Vaishnava" As if that guy is doing some favor to Prabrahamn Shiva by saying that. I hate to see this comment..He is also trying to demean but in disguise.

@Rickross Yeah. Superficially they say that.

More and more Shiva related posts should be the trick. @TheDestroyer

@TheDestroyer yeah I don't think I have downvoted any single answer which is saying Vishnu is supreme... most cases I upvote them... even in extreme sectarian cases I just don't upvote and let it remain without downvoting... Total no. Of Downvotes which I have casted upto now are only 7....

But I think I should now increase the number....... @Rickross @TheDestroyer

@Tezz Yes increase. I will also join hands with u :D

@Rickross yeah one solution is posting more and more Shiva related question answers...

@Tezz Yes mine has increased to 18 now. :D

@Tezz Even i don't downvote if some answer says Vishnu is Supreme. But even i used to not downvote answers which say "Vishnu is only Supreme". But i'm changing opinion these days.

@Tezz This is also good solution. But i will try to make a good meta post on it, digging all rules on SE.

@Rickross haha... but one thing we should care while downvoting is we should be perfectly calm while downvoting...otherwise some Karma will affect us... @TheDestroyer

@Tezz @Rickross We can still irritate them by posting Devi or Shakti questions too. This site has very few questions about Devi.

@TheDestroyer also we can make them that they post Meta questions searching reasons of downvote... 😀😇

@Tezz many people accept them as vedas its ok but you should have clear views on it especially after knowing facts

why to be a sheep in the crowd

@Tezz I think Meta posts will be no use. Let's try that too.

i had already raised voice against some vaishnavites who do issues here but then did not get any support

@RakeshJoshi yeah I generally view Samhita as most important and revelations... while I consider other portion as Supplementary of Vedas...

@Rickross is eating popcorn and laughing when people say only vishnu is supreme or brahma is supreme or krishna is supreme or mahesha is supreme ... :)

@TheDestroyer yeah Meta post will be no use... people will just say it's personal opinions to cast downvotes...

@Tezz @TheDestroyer Actually LordShiva himself made things difficult for us. He concealed too many things and he also said many things in many scriptures that are said just for maintaining secrecy. So they are opposite of what is true. But that was needed. Moksha should be delayed.

@RakeshJoshi :)

because i know what is going on in his mind :)

@Tezz Yeah. This practise is bad. They could refrain from Voting. Will they reject those Vedic statements which say about Supremacy of Shiva or other Gods? let them believe their Acharyas intepretations. But downvoting just because an answer is prasing other God is bad.

@Rickross haha.. also 'Gods do not want that men should know this'....

i was watching Rolland Garros

@Tezz Yes that's the reason.. There are many things said in scriptures which i am afraid are not true..they r said just to delude the greater population..Those who r near to moksha will get to know the real stuffs from other channels..

@RakeshJoshi Yes me too. But i am waiting for Wimblendon .I am a hardcore Federer fan.

@TheDestroyer Now the thing we can do is we can teach them a lesson... we can show them that we also have downvote button... and we can also press if they can press... @Rickross

ohh

rohan boppana won french open

@Tezz This is what i was saying to you. I see less downvotes from you and @Rickross

@Tezz Yes let;s do it. But many among those down voters actually don't post anything.. their main pastime is downvoting and praising their fav God in comments :P

i have given many downvotes :P

@Rickross haha lol...😀😀

@Rickross @Tezz Let's wait till meta post. if meta post fails, we can implement this.

@TheDestroyer what are you going to post in Meta?..

@TheDestroyer Rakesh Joshi downvotes a lot. He downvoted tezz's answer which said Sri Rudram is dedicated to Lord Shiva.. Can u imagine??..so i think he is just the same as some of these guys. :P

@TheDestroyer Ok

my main downvotes are for anti social (caste and gender) issues

and post such as shakti , moonstar and ram

@Tezz I will try to explain it's not good practise to downvote an answer just because it was praising other God. I will suggest them to not downvote and ..(let me frame) and discuss with other Mods

@Rickross Sometimes even i think the same about Rakesh :P :P

@TheDestroyer I don't think it will work at all... but still you may try...

@RakeshJoshi Leave shakti aside. He is good and naive.. But where do u get posts by the other two to down vote? Do they post anything? :P

@Rickross haha lol...😀😇

@Tezz I know it won't work but let's try.

i get irritated with their useless comments and asked them several times to post an answer instead of comments

@RakeshJoshi Actually, Shakthi is innocent.

Yeah Shakthi is innocent...

@TheDestroyer Yes i like him a lot. His mind is innocent.

shakti is under impression that we should forcefully stop intercaste marriage to uphold dharma.. this is radical thought

He also spends lot's of bounty to get his questions answered...

but now a days he is posting diff topics so i m not reading

@RakeshJoshi Ram won't downvote but he will mention it in comments (only if other party mentions). But sometimes he posts some non constructive comments.

@RakeshJoshi No he is just asking.. He does not hold a rigid opinion.

tthere shouldbe option to downvot comments

@RakeshJoshi Yes i would also love to have this feature :P

@Tezz Even Sri Charan won't downvote. Even Vishal who is Gaudiya.

@RakeshJoshi presently I'm not sure... I shall do research about it and tell it...

@TheDestroyer yeah Sree Charan Vishal and Brahmajijnasa also don't downvote...

thanks

i feel pradip gangopadhyay is a sinsible person

@RakeshJoshi :He is Advaitavadi :P

@RakeshJoshi He is above 55 or 60. He is also active on Quora.

@TheDestroyer Oh how do u know the ages of all the elderly persons?

@Rickross An answer on quora called Pradip as good Grand father.

@TheDestroyer haha

@Rickross any luck with mahidasa aitariya

?

@RakeshJoshi No i don't know.

advaitin but somewhat logical at times \

@TheDestroyer also Be Happy was a good person.. he was Vaishnava but he posted nice Shaiva answers also like Lingodhbhava... difference between Shankara and Shiva etc...

@TheDestroyer haha...

@Tezz Yeah. He was also a good user. Even most of his answers are neutral. His answers show his true bhakti towards Krishna without any hatred towards other Gods.

@TheDestroyer There is indeed something called false Vishnu devotees.. i have read that..

@TheDestroyer yeah most of his answers are neutral.. 😀😀 it's true that he shows true Bhakti...

@Rickross i tink u dont like krishna chaitanya ?

@RakeshJoshi U mean Chaitany Mahaprabhu?

yes gauranga

@RakeshJoshi I don't have any feelings. In bengal u know that he is quite popular.. but SRi Ramakrishna etc are more popular

hmm nabadwip his main place

@RakeshJoshi Yes navadwip is a nice place ..calm and quite and they have good nariyel laddus and malpoa :D

Bye! GN .

nariyel = coconut.

nice i m big fan of bengali sweets

@TheDestroyer Ok bye from me too.

ok GN

Ok bye from me too at all... 😀😇