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00:41
@Joseph "yeah, just saw it a few minutes ago. i was hoping we might be starting to get through to him that this isn't just a personal blog; looks like it's going to take a bit more explanation :/" I'm sorry, was this directed to me?
@outlier no, that was in response to @commando's remark
01:12
and my remark was regarding Ron Maimon's recent activities
Sup
@JosephWeissman just mention me when you want me to help you with your spanish.
01:36
what's sup is a huge setback in my physics lab... unless my teacher deems it acceptable to report negative results.
@com, what ar you meassuring?
And how
initially we were planning on using a triode as an oscillator... it didn't work and our teacher said he didn't know how to make it work
then we tried using a triode as an amplifier... that didn't work either, and our teacher suggested we just give up in the triode and use a diode
so then we collected some data on a planar diode, varying voltage and measuring current, then measuring thermionic current
that all went well, but here's the problem: our teacher suggested we analyze the data and compare to expected values for both thermionic emission and overall current
for the former, he suggested Richardson's Law, and for the latter, Child's law
it turns out that we can do neither; Richardson's Law requires temperature of the filament, which we can't measure, and Child's law gives results about 6 orders of magnitude off of our results... obviously not applicable
the setup is a pretty simple circuit, just a diode, high voltage output, low voltage heater, and an ammeter and voltmeter in between. Nothing wrong there, just I don't know what to do with my data anymore.
A sec
hello @stoicfury, I imagine you had a day infinitely more productive than mine :)
well, in a strange way maybe
i learned a lot, I didn't actually do much
had meetings all day
01:48
learning is, in a way, one of the most productive things ever
not when you're learning
sec phpone
so... learning is one of the most productive things ever, except when you're learning?
@com, ok, free now. What question or hypothesis are you checking?
well, I was planning on comparing my results to Richardson's Law and Child's Law, but the former is simply not possible, and the latter is way off. Unless my teacher says I can write a report saying "Child's law does not apply" (which he may), I'm back to square one.
Wait, for the Richardson's law you may want to get a high-temperture resistant(Not isolated) resistor and measure V drop as you heat or cool it.
It is the only measureable way I can think of.
However you would need a digital voltmeter with at least 3 digit precision.
01:53
the problem with that is we just can't measure temperature. It's not logistically possible for us (i.e. we lack the tools). Also, how do you know this? I haven't even heard of Richardson's law until before today.
You could also go the old school way
Ok what is your power source?
A simple D battery?
no it's a big DC source, up to 5k volts, and 3 mA
not when you're learning what I learned**
boring eyetracking software stuff
oh ok... that's unfortunate.
is that really boring? I mean, it seems interesting. The stuff of sci-fi, sort of.
the concept is interesting
learning how to use one company's particular crazy software isn't
01:56
commando, you make the following; Get a long wire(10 M; Coil it if you want) and measure the Voltage drop at different tempertures(Room/Iced/Heated) It doesn't matter if you cannot properly measure the temps.
You will oveserve that the voltage drop decreases with temperature.
That would be the first thing you are checking.
ah, perhaps I was misleading in my wording: the objective, primarily is to do something with a diode. Richardson's law was just one of the possibilities.
>_> you could do an AC to DC transformer
That shit is way easier
Also, it is useful.
I suppose, but this lab is due next Friday and re-doing the whole thing is pretty inconvenient
You can do an AC to DC converter in less than 5 minutes if you have 4 diodes.
just one -.-
01:58
Here is a simulator for you: falstad.com/circuit
also, how did you learn this stuff? It seems that everybody knows more than me in everything :S I really don't get it (how they've already learnt that much, that is).
I took Engineering 11 one and a half years ago.
Fun stuff
hmm... I've only taken a simple game programming course two years ago and a Stanford Cosmology thing last year. Too bad I already knew almost everything in the cosmology course :/
I bet you know more about cosmology than I do
You have to specialize or you are simply a jack of all trades
but... but... I've seen plenty of universal geniuses, pretty much
my physics teacher, for example. But maybe that's because he's 50
I actually can't tell how old he is... he's one of those guys who could be anywhere from 30-55, you just can't tell
02:05
Ok there
That is a basic AC to DC converter
It is really simple, it is really useful
I don't know the name, not sure if it has one.
oooh, fancy. But where does the DC come out of?
However if you ever need to make a cellphone charger you will probably use this design.
You see the diods?
They only allow current to pass one way
yes, all lined up in the middle
That is the important part.
ah, so past that everything is DC, I see.
02:07
Use the color guides
Yeah, and you then use a Capacitor to smooth the charge
I don't know how I can share my screen in real time.
Do you have Skype?
not presently
I'll make one tomorrow (now's a little too late)
Ok, remember that circuit it is important
I will explain with words.
like in the old days :P
You have an AC Source, any AC source. You rectify the current to DC. However since the current is a waveform, while it switches you would also have that wave current in your dc side
So you add a capacitor.
A capacitor is measure in farads and it can store and block currents.
1 Farad = 1 Amper at 1 Volt.
yes, so it sort of levels the curvature with its discharges
02:10
Yes
When the wave starts going down
the capacitor technically becomes your power source
Think of it as a spring
yes, I understand
When you stop pushing, it starts pushing back
so the net "force", or voltage and current, is constant
So it will "smooth" the voltage/current and allow you to have a kickass AC -> DC converter
Read on the capacitor
it is an important part of many circuits.
You can also use a LED to show the results.
I've already got a basic understanding from studying for SAT and AP
02:12
So first pass the LED directly trough the AC current. It will flicker.
I've done that; it flashes depending on the capacitance
or that
After the rectifier it is going to simply change intensity
Then when you add the capacitor in parallel it will have a constant glow
And your AC -> DC converter will be alive
yeah, that's pretty cool
It also doesn't take too much time.
IT LIVES
02:13
Yeah, it also does not have the energy to lie, literally.
beyond that I don't think it has the physical ability to lie
what would it lie about? "I am not an AC DC converter"
Nope, it will not fail on you.
It cannot possibly fail without you burning something.
The diod will smoke and itwill smell like crap
The capacitor will blow up, literally.
Not like a 555 or your fancy triode that failed on you.
That is how I made the simulation. It is a java applet.
Not to scare you, but this is what happens if you do not take care of capacitors: youtube.com/watch?v=fyjFPhCtR0g
Here is MAKE explanation of capacitors: youtube.com/watch?v=ZYH9dGl4gUE
@com, so you learned something new today. COngratz!
AMAZING! IT'S MAGIC!
also thank you
I think I know what I'm doing the next time I'm at my friend's house :P
>_> damn, it smells like crap
Really don't
hah I was just kidding. I don't even have a single capacitor at home, I've only done circuitry at school
02:24
You are at HS, right?
I am sure that an AC to DC convertor would be a cool final project
Then you can get an engine/generator and charge your cellphone.
we don't have such open final projects :(
only in English, where we do some independent reading and writing. I decided to reread Notes From Underground (my favourite book). Great stuff. Read Crime and Punishment too.
Damnit, I hate HS.
dare I say you'll likely miss some parts of it when you're gone? I'm graduating and I'm feeling like I'll miss some of it: the teachers, the friends, etc.
Not really
I am a guy that would and have, and can crash into a class and be recieved.
I also tend to keep in contact with everyone.
Additionally, I am speaking about education, not socialization.
I understand... I have to go
02:31
Me too
later
good night ye engineer!
03:04
Nevermind, still got shit to do. xD
@com, what are you up to?
@fabianhjr if you're still up and kicking I am probably knocking off work pretty soon
So quieres me ayudar con espanol ;)
Si te puedo ayudar con tu español!
I feel like a genius right now wiring a tv for a party tomorrow.
I might as well take a pic
I wired everything like a drunkard
03:37
Well, good night now
03:53
@fabianhjr kk, sry -- gonna be at it for another little bit here :/ maybe tomorrow!
 
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18:28
My electrical abilities are great
18:47
@fabianhjr can you build computers?
Yes
Sorry, went for a snack.
@stoic, do you need help with something?
@com, sup? What did you ended up doing?
19:02
BUILD ME A COMPUTER WORTHY OF MORDOR
0_o ok
Like the schematics or you want me to assemble it?
what I mean is, can you construct a motherboard
from scratch, i.e. a breadboard
with basic components
I want to make a multi-processor computer
yes, yes I can. As a mater of fact my desktop is a custom build
19:04
with 10 intel 3930k's
I don't think you want to do that.
Like, why?
POWER
REAL ULTIMATE POWER
I don't know why I pictured the high chancelor of SW3: Vengance of the Sith saing power.
haha yeah
And what is the budget for this build worthy of gods?
19:05
10k
Are you serious? You would most likely want it built for you.
that's what i'm saying
And I do not suggest a multi processor mobo. They lack the rails for modern graphics cards.
i can build a computer from newegg components, been doing that since before you were 5 lol
i want a custom config
I have been doing that for a while too. xD
19:06
someone to build the motherboard
and the gfx card
I have heard great things about DigitalStorm
No wait
The mobo cannot be custom made with a 10k budget
Eitherway, you would probably want to speak with this guys: digitalstormonline.com
why aren't there more desktop models with more processors?
servers easily have 64+ cores
There is no case in doing so
Well, the only mobos with multi processor setup are server mobos.
exactly
There is no case to have a server mobo in a gaming or work station.
19:08
but what if I want to run a renderfarm
to render all of Avatar in one day
Well, you will most likly buy blade servers and set up a rendering farm with your prefered software.
nVidia has a solution for you.
yeah
i want a custom one tho :(
Why?
You could buy nVidias Tesla Servers.
more importantly, I want to learn how to do that
19:09
yeah im familiar with those
Well, shit, what are you planning to do with your farm?
Toll free number of a custom build business with HQs in the USA: 1-866-817-8676
playing crysis 2 and starcraft 2 and civ 5 and swtor and portal 2
You don't need all that for those games.
... all at the same time
A simple second gen i7 will do
Wait, what?
19:11
lol
nah it just needs to be enough to run some simulation software
i've got a rig i've built that's sweet
only 2.5k
Blades, that is the only high density solution I can think for you.
My current one is a 2K one with an i7 930 @ 3.5 GHz, and a Radeon 5870.
I could add another one when I need to
eww, ati
err, amd
>_> it is cheap and good
i have a 5870 in my comp at home i think
cheap and mediocre imo
i've had a lot better performance from nvidia
I also like OpenCL and the greater ammount of generic shaders the Radeon lineup has.
It depends, I guess you use the PhysiX features, right?
19:15
not really
it just outperforms across the board
more expensive, but worth it imo
my next rig I'll be going back
i made my ex's rig with AMD processor too
felt sluggish next to my relatively similar intel
Well, imo AMDs are better for I/O bounded tasks, like servers.
Intel is way better for actual computation.
nVidia is way better for scientific processing and games.
ATIs for programmers, other applications, video processing and the use of raw Floating Point operatons.
did you know well more than half our traffic comes from search engines?
Of SE? Yes
of the questions on the site that bring in traffic
it appears my question about music downloading is #1
lol
a good way to increase traffic would be to make sure all questions have commonly searched titles, and contain the kind of stuff people will search for
though taken too far that would make the questions bad. i.e. "is it illegal to download music" is probably way up there in search frequency, but that's not a good question here
ima head out, i'll catch you later buddy
What are the implications of digital distribution to our perception of property?
And then you simply stick your question in the body as an example.
 
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20:50
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22:20
@fabianhjr my teacher just told me to use what I have and analyze what I can. Basically determine if the 3/2 exponent relationship applies, whether (qualitatively), thermionic emission increases with voltage, etc. I can't do anything particularly specific, but my teacher said he had no ideas apart from general analysis.

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