The Greenhouse

Niitaku

07:03

Hello! :)

The Farmer

12:42

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Q: How can animal cruelty be considered legal based on "cultural heritage" argument?

I have read some information about foie gras controversy and have encountered this piece of information: "Until new scientific evidence on alternative methods and their welfare aspects is available", the production of foie gras is prohibited by treaty except for "where it is current pract...

Zanna

13:21

hmm that question seems problematic

Alexander Rossa

yeah, I knew that when I wrote it but thought of writing it anyway, I don't mind if it gets closed/downvoted to oblivion - I will respond to yoru comment on it

Zanna

I VTC because I think it's not answerable :(

we should use chat more to discuss such issues! :)

Riker

yawn everybody is always up when I'm not up :p

i'ts 6:30 am for me

Alexander Rossa

you may well be right :) I did not ask in chat because the answer is rather specifically oriented (law/legislative) and I thought it has better chance of being answered at the main page where more people than those few who participate in chat will see it :)

Fawad

@Riker you are from Pakistan?

Alexander Rossa

13:33

but I would be interested in hearing your opinion on this @Zanna, just as @everyone_else's who would like to discuss it :)

Riker

no I am from southern california

Alexander Rossa

good morning @Riker :)

Riker

west coast us

@AlexanderRossa g'day to you :)

Fawad

@Riker on shit,I thought 6:30 pm

Zanna

@Fawad I make it 1830 in Pakistan...

Riker

13:34

@Fawad lol it's okay

Fawad

@Zanna in 12 hrs system,it's 6:30 pm :)

Riker

@Zanna @AlexanderRossa wha'ts your opinion on this?

you're a valuable contributing member of the community, and I'd like to hear your views

Zanna

@AlexanderRossa I think this happens because if something traditional gets banned, people get up in arms about it - to some extent with justification (regardless of whether you agree with the justification) that people's livelihood will be lost

@Fawad sorry my message crossed with yours :)

Fawad

Hehe,elders don't say sorry to youngers :P

Zanna

I was in Tamil Nadu in January and there were daily protests about the government's ban on a traditional kind of bull-taming/fighting they do. I have never seen what they actually do, but I learned that the bull is not killed. My friend said hardly anyone knew or cared about this bull-taming before the government banned it, but there were huge protests. While I was there (in Chennai) a police station got set on fire and there were protests on the beach etc etc

now foie gras is really cruel

there is no way to justify it imho

it's not like the bull-taming... there seemed to be ulterior motives behind that

a lot of people said the external organisations who wanted to ban it just wanted to dominate the market with imported cattle

Alexander Rossa

13:41

@Zanna yes, I get the part about it being traditional and people being touchy about their traditions, what I did not get was how can that be a valid argument for not obeying laws that are in place and that's what I was seeking an answer for :) I don't mean to argue that

laws are set in stone and should be obeyed at all times beacuse even law can be wrong, but this is a massive law-breaking at the scale of (only in France alone) some 40 million tortured animals a year and is not punished because of what can be considered lame argument at best

Zanna

while the bull-tamers were protecting rare breeds

well... my opinion is, the answer is that a law has been passed to that effect, and if you don't like it, then make yourself a placard. But ianal and I may very well be wrong and not understanding correctly

Fawad

People get hurt @Zanna

Zanna

wow

>_<

Fawad

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/…

Zanna

thanks for that @Fawad :)

Alexander Rossa

13:50

@Zanna yes, that is another case of "allowed" animal abuse that people like to think is a tradition and sacred, but for me, there is a difference in it. I would not be able to put it to words right now

I would have to think about it, but, to put things to extreme, it is as if a cannibalistic tribe became part of society and demanded their right to eat people if they catch some because hey, it's tradition.. and the laws just bending around that stupidity and allowing it. How can something banned and generally considered vile (because animal cruelty is rejected by wide public, just as the cannibalism is) be made an exception for? Both from the legal perspective and sociological.

@Riker well, as I said before, I don't mind the question being closed or downvoted as I realize it is problematic and if community decides that way then I completely see why, I was just wondering about this as the answer would have an impact on some of my decisions (albeit less directly) related to veganism and I thought this might be a place to ask :)

Riker

ah

Zanna

14:11

@Fawad I think they should though ;)

@AlexanderRossa as I said, I think the lawmakers know what to expect if a ban were attempted...

Niitaku

14:35

Wow, the chat woke up ^^
Nobody said "hello" to me though. :(

^^

Riker

hello!

:D

Niitaku

Hey @Riker :D
How are you?

Riker

pretty good

supposed to be working on a science experiment, but I'm procrastinating

Niitaku

Oh, I'm a pro on this, if you need help :D

(about procrastinating I mean)

Riker

lol

brb

Alexander Rossa

14:44

@Zanna yes, you are probably right.. on the other hand, that should not stop them

Hello @Niitaku :)

Niitaku

Hello @AlexanderRossa! :) It's been a while. How are you?

Fawad

Hello @Niitaku nice to know you have same habit

Procrastinating

Niitaku

Hello @Fawad! :) Oh, I'm not alone. :P

How is your day?

Fawad

15:11

@Niitaku just fine as everyday,nothing exciting.

Alexander Rossa

@Niitaku Yeah, I was already making a dent in my time scheduling by lurking around site, there was notiem left for chat.. :D I am rather fine though, what about you? Did you manage to change the veg*n options at your workplace already? :)

Niitaku

@AlexanderRossa I'm fine, thanks. Not yet. Need to find some leverage

Zanna

15:36

@AlexanderRossa true :/

The Farmer

19:55

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Q: Is Marmite (UK) vegan?

Just to clarify, I am from the UK and so I am talking about UK Marmite: As you can see from the pot, they say it's vegetarian, but it's yeast extract, so does that mean it's not vegan? Does yeast count as an animal product?

veganism food uk yeast

David S

21:02

@AlexanderRossa Just to be clear, I only commented on your answer so that people wondering might see rather than suggesting you didn't know that :)

Also, hi everyone. I've been a bit slack the last week, not much being-here-ness.

David S

21:18

Fig rolls are the best biscuit.

Unless they are cakes.

And unless there are still residual insects in them.

The Farmer

21:40

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Q: What is the standard way for conveying vegan and vegetarian as separate icons?

I am working on a menu website project, one of the requirements is to have an icon for Vegetarian and an icon for Vegan. During my research I couldn't find any sort of definitive answer as to 'XXX is the best way to represent Vegetarian'. Is there a standard way of conveying vegan and vegetarian ...

veganism

Alexander Rossa

22:00

@DavidS thanks for adding that there. I would incorporate it to my answer but it does not really connect with the OP's question that well. It is a great note in the comments though.

David S

@AlexanderRossa Yeah I think a comment is the appropriate place for it. Thanks.

That icons question is a bugger. Funny thing is I've seen green as vegetarian and yellow as vegan before. or V as vegetarian and Ve as vegan which makes even less sense

Riker

@TheFarmer off-topic?

I'm not sure that is on-topic honestly, as it's not about a veg*n lifestyle

David S

He's joined the site specifically to ask that question.

I don't know if I'm saying that makes it better or not... but who else would answer? :)

Not I anyway, it's bed time. Guten nacht.

Riker

22:26

night!

belated but eh

Zanna

22:39

I think that question is absolutely on topic

Goodnight :)

Rand al'Thor

22:59

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Q: What is the standard way for conveying vegan and vegetarian as separate icons?

Working on a project, I need 2 icons for Vegan and Vegetarian to display at a glance nutritional information. The problem that I'm running into is that there doesn't seem to be a good way to have each icon stand alone and the user knowing exactly what it stands for, example below. Vt vs Vg Vt ...

icon

Just came across this in the HNQ list and thought it might be of interest to people here.

Oh, wait a sec ...

@Riker Also cross-posted; see above ^^^

Riker

23:33

@Randal'Thor yeah saw that

same user also

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