The Greenhouse

Sree Charan

03:26

@AlexanderRossa I have seen a notice that we will be in private beta for atleast 4 days. It usually takes more than that. Yes they are connected.

Zanna

06:47

damn people keep missing the point of this vegetarianism.stackexchange.com/questions/530/…

I am tempted to flag

nice to see a bounty @AlexanderRossa I will see if I can find anything. I've heard from many people that D2 is no good

Niitaku

08:22

Hello! o/ :)

Alexander Rossa

09:11

morning everyone :)

@Zanna yes, I agree, not only it ignores the most interesting part of the question, that answer is basically the first thing that jumps up on at least 6 different links when the title of the question is copied to Google

I have heard that about D2 too, but currently that is what I am using and so I would rally like to see a nice comprehensive answer about it :)

Zanna

09:32

I think it's not a question of bioavailability but effective conversion...

Haven't found anything definite yet

I might well flag that as NAA

I don't even believe it generally - I think it's one bad study widely spread by meat-eater gloating

Niitaku

Which answer are you talking about?

@Zanna How are you today? :)

Zanna

10:02

@Niitaku the one I linked to earlier, the one about number of vegetarians quitting

I think if an answer misses the point, it's not an answer

@Niitaku a bit sleepy - Linux meetup last night so stayed up late, and working early

Niitaku

@Zanna Oh, yes, that one. The answer seems effectively not answer the 'raised' part of the question.

@Zanna Oh :s Good luck, then. :)

Fawad

13:29

Do vegans care while taking medicines?

Zanna

do you mean, do we feel uncomfortable about taking gelatin capsules and lactose tablets and hormones derived from horses?

Fawad

Somewhat,do vegans check if there is something animals stuff inside medicine?

Zanna

I try to yes and I'm sure many others do. But there's not always an alternative and maybe you need it to save your life or whatever. People have different ideas about this. There's also animal testing of medicines, which is also a concern for vegans.

Niitaku

15:24

@Zanna You took back the lead, congrats! :)

Zanna

oh! I'm glad if people are not downvoting, mades me wonder who I upset and how

Niitaku

Yeah, me too. :/ You should have never left this position imho

Fawad

@Zanna sorry but 1 down vote was from me,because I used my vote strategically to give some lead to niitaku , everything is fair in (…)

I mostly use sentence … everything is fair in war and gamimg…but I didn't find any suitable sentence here :P

Niitaku

15:40

Hello @Fawad !
I'll answer your comment on my post once I get back home, at calm. ^^

Zanna

15:51

@Fawad how do you mean strategically?

Fawad

@Zanna each vote counts,so I down voted you and then up voted to niitaku …

Zanna

o.O I don't get why you would do that. There will be 3 mods...

the votes don't actually count really really, it's not a real election

the votes just indicate, like, approval from the community

Fawad

So what do think @Zanna ? Will niitaku can atleast become 3rd mod?

Zanna

there's no way of knowing

the SE staff will appoint the moderators

it will not automatically be the top 3 voted people

Fawad

I see

Sree Charan

18:27

@Fawad How about war and election?

@Fawad Electing the mod is in the hands of SE staff till the site gets graduated. They not only consider but also consider profiles in other SE, activity, comments from community. Finally you get a mail from one of the CM's. This is the procedure for beta sites.

Riker

18:45

and it happens after public beta is announced

public beta for literature was announced on feb 6th, but the mod nomination post went up on the 30th of jan

and it's the 16th now

Sree Charan

One drawback for @Niitaku is that he has no experience in Mod tools. For becoming a moderator, it is not compulsory to be an expert in the topic(It's a bonus). But experience in reviewing and moderation, deciding when to intervene in reviewing/deleting a post is important.

Riker

19:05

honestly, that's pretty true

though I do think he would be a good mod, that's something to consider

Alexander Rossa

20:18

for me being passionate about the site, showing general intelligence and looking as a decent person all seem like much better reasons to be elected than "knowing the tools"

you can learn the tools, the others things are much harder to come by

@Fawad well, that was some goood strategy there...

Zanna

20:36

haha if you also downvoted Erica, I would be grateful if you would undo that downvote (the post has been edited since you downvoted it, so you can change it) @Fawad

they are your votes and you can do what you like with them, but strategic downvoting makes no sense imho

Alexander Rossa

20:56

@Zanna congrats to 2k :)

Zanna

ay caramba!

@AlexanderRossa thanks very much!!

Riker

21:08

@Zanna yes, it's the kind of thing we need to protect later

Zanna

yes indeed

Erica

@Zanna welcome to one of the first lessons of moderation: sometimes there will be inexplicable opposition :D

(also, hi room!)

Zanna

haha if you look at the comments on that post and the revision history... let's just say I think that person is... a bit difficult

thanks for coming to the room :D

Erica

Difficult happens. Two years of moderating Parenting .... it's been educational. Oh, and I got a dedicated occasional-troll who writes creepy poetry about me XD

Riker

@Zanna the poster of the Q?

@Erica ... wot?

Erica

21:14

lol... he used to troll with massively inappropriate Q&A (e.g. "should I beat my child to death for sneezing on my shirt" was the nicest), and got furious when I figured out his real SE account

Zanna

@Riker no... the person who posted the dangerously incorrect answer to the vitamin A question, rolled back my edit with some BS, downvoted my nomination, and left some comments there saying why

Riker

yeah :(

edit ban plz /s

Erica

so now dude shows up every couple months and posts seriously crazy stuff about our "relationship"

it always gets cleaned up quickly, and by now I'm just bemused by the amount of time he's still wasting on a pretty sad vendetta

Zanna

but I didn't know how to let them climb down there, I was emotional about it and just said exactly what I thought. I should have been more casual about it, and it might have got fixed. Should have realised this person's ego was making it hard for them to actually read

Erica

but yeah -- difficult happens!

Riker

21:17

@Erica the relationship with you?

@Zanna yeah, I think it's actually my fault

Zanna

hahaha I'm sure male mods don't get this crap

Riker

I was the one who made the meta post pretty much naming & shaming him for bad edits

Zanna

um no it's not your fault

Riker

not intentionally, it was intended in good faith, but he got pissed methinks

Zanna

yeah definitely he did

Riker

21:17

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Q: Please don't make unwarranted edits with drastic changes to the post

So far I've reviewed about 15 edit suggestions, 3 of these I rejected. All for the same reason. Deviating from the OP's intent. This one: This would be a fine edit from the OP, but not from another user. THe comment part is okay (the OP replied in comments with "a simple reason will suffice, ...

Zanna

I remember

Erica

@Riker yup. It's weird.

Zanna

In future, hide the user

but still, not your fault

Riker

@Zanna yeah, I thought about it, decided not to because I linked the reviews (which I feel was useful) and they show the name

but I have now <shrug>

also @Zanna are you serious that you think he created a new account just to downvote?

that's a pretty big crime, he can get suspended for a long time for that

Zanna

someone definitely did that, but I don't know how it was

a mod will know though

I say definitely, but I mean almost definitely

Riker

21:22

mods won't, but the only "mod" we have now will if he checks

Erica

mods can't see downvotes, but they can see IPs

Riker

(robert)

Zanna

go to users, click on creation date, see the account created on the day it started

@Erica yeah I know

Riker

@Erica yeah, but robert is an employee and he can see votes and IPs

Erica

@Riker yes, correct, he has CM power :)

Riker

21:22

majik CM-ness FTW

Zanna

that account, on the day, had 2 downvotes and 1 upvote in their profile, on meta

right after the downvotes very suddenly appeared

but I looked at sv and he had not been seen for days

Riker

@Zanna which one?

I don't see any

Zanna

this one meta.vegetarianism.stackexchange.com/users/262/user412463

Riker

hm I don't know

that user also has contributions dating to the 6th of feb (a week before the nom post went up) on math.se

Zanna

aah yes true but I think they created the account on this site only to do those votes

Riker

21:26

<shrug> it's possible it's a friend yeah

but I think it's honestly more likely it's a different user, given his activity on math.se

@Zanna not going to name & shame this time, but go check out whose posts he edited on math.se

Turion

Maybe it's more important to focus on the fact that even 4 downvotes didn't harm your position on the nomination poll

Erica

@Turion Ultimately this is what matters, particularly since this isn't traditional "voting"

Riker

ye

Erica

I'm more disappointed by downvoting-without-explanation, because it gives me no feedback on how to do better (even if it's something like "you're not veg*n enough" which could be quite legit criticism for this site!)

Zanna

@Riker I never said it was him, I just said it seemed to be an account created just to vote on the nominations

Riker

21:29

yeah

Zanna

@Turion sure, but I didn't bring up the topic, just sharing what I saw :)

@Erica exactly

Riker

I also find it somewhat frustrating that nobody really votes on the lower answers

zanna has about 17 total votes either direction, niitaku 9, erica 12, and I only have 6

Erica

ultimately, a healthy meta depends on being able to have discussion with moderators (or even moderator candidates, or high-rep users who have lightweight moderation powers) -- it's difficult if there's a perception that mods never listen or mods do whatever they want

Riker

regardless of the net score, I think my self-nom just isn't getting seen <shrug>

@Erica yeah, definitely

Erica

</philosophizing>

lol

Riker

21:32

there was a bit of a struggle regarding that in the literature.se recent mod election (same as htis one, priv -> pub beta)

rand al'thor was the subject of a huge controversy when he was elected on SFF

Zanna

@Erica very much so

Riker

and when he ran on literature, people started dredging it up again

Erica

wow, there are no candidates without downvotes, that's sort of surprising

Riker

yeah

Zanna

seems pretty weird to me too

Turion

21:33

Sounds a lot like someone is on a rant about the site because of frustration

Riker

yeah

I think the same (2) people downvoted all 4 candidates

Turion

Sure possible

Erica

strange message -- "I prefer anarchy!" hahahaha

Zanna

@Turion hmm? who where?

Riker

@Erica o_O where?

Erica

21:34

that's what I infer from DOWNVOTE ALL THE THINGS

sorry :D

Riker

@Zanna who is prolly unknown (though we all can have our suspicions) but where is this meta :P

@Erica lol

Erica

I sometimes don't bother typing all the other things in my head, which can be misleading XD

Zanna

@Erica haha yeah "we don't want mods!"

Riker

4

this took a very small amount of effort I deserve stars

thank you anonymous starrer

Turion

How exactly is a consensus reached on the nominations?

Riker

21:37

majik

literally

CMs pick the mods, there is no "consensus"

they certainly factor in the votes, but beyond that it's really up to them

Turion

@Zanna what who where? ;)

Riker

on another note: I'm saddened by the fact that only 5 people were nominated

we don't have a very active meta community :(

Turion

I'm sort of tempted nominating people, but I don't want to make someone feel obligated

Erica

@Turion nominate, nominate! they can always turn it down!!!

Zanna

If I think what to write, I might nominate Robert Longson as he has rep on MSE and seems to know stuff

Riker

21:39

<shrug> he hasn't been active on meta that I've seen though

Erica

(omg why is my Python script constantly failing to do what I tell it!!!)

Zanna

not many people have been active on meta

@Erica indenting?

Riker

@Erica lol what's it supposed to do?

and just be glad it's not JS

JS seems to always know exactly what you want to do and intentionally do the opposite

@Zanna yeah :(

Erica

@Riker uh, in a sentence -- reading rows from a database, comparing them to rows in an online database, and uploading ones that exist in the database but not in the online version (while maintaining geospatial data)... for some reason it is just uploading EVERYTHING ALWAYS

despite me saying "stop that"

Riker

lol

Zanna

21:40

silly snakey

Riker

did you try asking it politely? like:

Erica

"please stop that"

Riker

> Python, you're hurting my feelings. Would you kindly stop doing that? Thanks, I really appreciate it.

Erica

"no, really, this isn't what I wanted"

"stop giving me so much YOU ARE SUFFOCATING ME"

Riker

> go sit in a corner and think about yourl ife

Erica

21:41

XD

Riker

@Erica well no dur why'd you use a python then

:P

> Breaking news: python suffocates hawaiian shirt girl

Erica

hahahahaha

that would simplify the moderator decision, I guess ^.^

Riker

yep

all 3 candidates would become mod

Erica

if I turn up dead I know who the top suspects are

Riker

honestly at this point I think they should either just pick you, zanna, and niitaku and get it over with and/or do 4 mods and include me

Erica

21:44

I don't remember how long the process takes

even Arts & Crafts was nearly a year ago now

Riker

it ends about 4 wks after public beta generally

well I'm outta here, see you guys/gals

Erica

bye!

Zanna

I have literally flagged one thing so far... if we had 4 mods they would have nothing to do (although I guess the floodgates will open and a s***ton of badness will land on us when it goes public...)

ciao @Riker :)

Riker

ciao

@Zanna lol true

Turion

I feel I'm completely incompetent at nominating people. Hopefully someone reads the nomination and expands it.

Zanna

21:59

I'm hopeless at nominating too, I just can't do the kind of language needed somehow

Stack Exchange

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A: Accepting Nominations — Who should moderate this site?

Notes This user contributes high-quality answers and questions and has a great objective style, one that I'd personally like to see everywhere on the site. Attilio is aware of what's going on on the site, and takes interest in it.

Zanna

gah! vegetarianism.stackexchange.com/questions/530/…

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