@Hosch250 I am about to start work today on some extensions to Futures and Isolates for Dyalog v17.0 which I hope will allow us to invoke APL functions in processes started using SSH. If I can see a way to integrate it cleanly, maybe firing up Docker containers on demand too.

@Hosch250 The ability to integrate this kind of thing (almost) at the language level is one reason why tools like the .NET TPL are not ideal: we might use them under the covers, but don't feel they are at the right level to present to APL users who are often domain experts and have little or no software engineering expertise.

@MortenKromberg Definitely showcase that, please! The tutorial on APL microservices+ docker was very well received by friends of mine, who had it introduced to them pretty much as "This REPL thing" before :-).

@Ven I'm planning to talk about it in the April 19th webinar. Hoping that will guarantee that I'll get the work done before then :-)

@Adám I have a quick question. If I have Dyalog installed on Linux through an RPM package, will I be able to get updates to Dyalog through my package manager (dnf update) or will I have to apply for a license again and download a new RPM?

@Pavel You have to download again, as we currently don't have a system in place for authentication of package managers. We're working on it though.

ok thanks

You shouldn't have to reapply though. You can just email sales

@H.PWiz True, and if your license is still active, you can just go download, @Pavel.

iirc the my.dyalog login expires after two weeks

@Pavel yes.

So updates are easy to get for two weeks after getting a license. Why does my.dyalog even expire in the first place?

@Pavel So that there is a difference between the free version and the paid-for version.

I think I got one of my friends to try the student competition.

@Zacharý Great! You're participating again this year, I gather?

I hope to do it until I graduate college, or until I don't have enough time to do so.

I've also noticed the place for the annual user meeting seems to be announced sooner than last year, right?

@Zacharý Yeah, while we may be bad with deadlines, we're at least trying to improve ;-)

Yeah. but w/o Dyalog, APL's pulse would BE a dead-line ... b.c. ngn spawned off of Dyalog, and GNU is ... GNU.

Forgot about NARS, but that's Windows only

(Or Wine)

@Zacharý And experimental only. It doesn't care about performance.

@Zacharý And neither IBM nor APL2000 seem to be interested in developing the language. Oh, and APLX died.

@Adám Let's just say it now, without codegolf, APL would be DEAD (like Fortress levels of dead) in modern usage, only staying alive through legacy codebases.

Wait ... what proportion of Dyalog employees got into Dyalog via code-golfing? Am I overestimating that number in saying APL'd be dead without it?

Probably

@Zacharý 0% since Marinus is gone.

Was he the only employee ever that got into it via code-golfing>

@Zacharý It is true that existing applications keep APL alive, but it isn't just maintenance that calls for APL programmers; there's active development of new code going on in companies that have already "seen the light". APL isn't going away.

@Zacharý As far as I know. Formal code golf is a fairly new subject to the APL world. I was the one that brought it into the established APL circles. An I only learned about it from HNQ.

So informal code golfing was probably big, huh?

@Adám Sometimes seem to forget about the fact that your parent user is on the Judaism SE.

@Zacharý Not big, just a curiosity, but it had largely died out due to APL getting a bad name because of incomprehensible one-liners.

@Zacharý Yup. As you can see, it took a long time before I came to PPCG.

@Adám I mean among the APL community, seems like a natural thing for them to do, considering Perl had its own community

@Zacharý According to Wikipedia, APLers were indeed first, and I remember how proud my father was of me when I beat the existing shortest prime number finder.

I forgot that APL can be spread via families as well ... though I only think that'd apply to you and Patz

@Adám I'd actually be intrested to see statistics about how much APL's usage is increasing/decreasing over time

That PPCG slope though.

My dad tells me he used to know APL some decades ago. I don't think he believed me when I told him it still exists.

@Pavel Hard to measure. Google N-grams looks grim, but it looks in books, and there certainly hasn't been many APL books published lately. APL doesn't really need the massive bibles of other languages.