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01:39
I remember posting an answer in ELL saying something like "this sounds awkward" and a mod commented "that sounds fine to me"
lol
I think I left ELL shortly after... realized I don't actually know anything about english construction
 
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04:48
@Riolku got a link?
let's see if I can find it
ell.stackexchange.com/questions/303965/… ok this isn't what I was talking about
but it's sort of similar?
I remmeber it was Kate
I think I just left because I had major imposter syndrome
like while digging I found a comment asking me for a source that something was wrong
and it's like
"what do I even say"
"I'm just a native speaker trying to help"
@Riolku So it wasn't a mod?
oh
I had the misconception that Kate was a mod ig
I mean sources are very important
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Q: Answerer to OP: "No one will ever say this." I comment: "Can you provide a source to substantiate that claim?" Answerer: "I am a Native speaker."

AIQQuestions: (1) What should I do when someone refuses to provide evidence to substantiate their statements, which I believe are incorrect? (2) How should I respond when they tell me to take their word for it because they are a native speaker, even after I provided authoritative evidence that c...

uh yeah I agree with this statement
05:04
I agree that some ELL (and for that matter ELU too) users can seem haughty and even snarky
but sometimes what they say isn't wrong. it's probably the way they say it
i guess nice delivery of helpful messages is also important
it's just really weird to be told you're wrong about your native language
lol
well... native speakers get things wrong all the time
mm
more like stuff about what sounds right and what doesn't
or what is idiomatic to say
because I find most things native speakers get wrong are like
typos
or messing up words when speaking
hmm I could talk about ELL/ELU stuff, but since this is a public chat room that everybody can see...
i'll just talk about what I heard the other day
a native japanese speaker said, 香港住んでいます!
and it wasn't a typo since they used で住む again, and again
lol
reminds me of the month where my friend bonked me every time I used the wrong it's
it's vs its
until I figured it out
05:10
it's v its is a native speaker mistake
like there, their
i believe there are two kinds of mistakes. native speaker mistakes and learner mistakes
usually you don't see them mixed up
because foreign language speakers get it drilled into them?
that could be part of it
what i'm trying to say though, is native speakers rarely, if ever, make mistakes with say, articles
stuff like "I'm from UK"
or "I like book"
true
 
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10:27
Articles are particularly difficult to explain though. We have them in Swedish too, with a more or less one-to-one correlation with English, and usually when asked why it should be one way or the other, I cannot seem to explain it...
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10:49
What I think surprisingly many people don't seem to understand though, is that there are no exact rules when it comes to languages (if there were, languages would never evolve). A native speaker will really only be able to use his "native authority" when it comes to the specific regional and sociolectal way of speaking that he grew up with.

I remember a test where you were supposed to put prepositions into empty gaps in various sentences. The test would then try to estimate what part of the English speaking world you were from (or if you were a non-native). I cannot attest for how accurate
 
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23:02
If I left a comment every time I disagreed with a claim by a native speaker about some usage, you would be seeing me popping up everywhere you looked. I do wish people would use a little more caution and reflection (and preferably some research) when pronouncing (especially negatively) on grammaticality and idiomaticity.

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