Japanese Language

Darius Jahandarie

02:58

Jeez, that 思う grammar is confusing. I’ve just spent the past hour thinking about it and have failed to come up with anything useful.

Chocolate

03:28

@snailcar 8分の5ね

Jon

04:28

Does 番組をやる mean 'to perform in a TV program' or 'to broadcast a program'

By137

07:18

I see what you mean.
I wonder if there are any other words that have changed "senses" like that.

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09:13

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Q: Good sources to learn new words for animation?

One thing I'm hoping to become able to do is to understand Japanese animation, but the one thing I lack right now is vocabulary: I know some thousands words, but in each and every show (or books) I try to follow the words I don't know are more than the ones I know; and those I learn in one work s...

Chocolate

10:53

@Jon It can be both, so I think it's up to the context

例えば。。。役者・タレント・コメディアンの人とかが「ＸＸっていう番組をやった時に。。」って言ったら、「出演した」とか、「司会をした」みたいな感じかな

テレビを見る側の人が（またはテレビに出てる人でも）、「ＮＨＫでＸＸっていう番組をやってた」とか言うと、「放送してた」って意味になりますね

Jon

11:09

ok

Anonymous

14:11

There are lots of people in here right now.

Anonymous

JACK

good

kimi Tanaka

@JACK 便利屋 should be put in a service industry. コンビニ should be put in a retailer. According to this pdf. So long as I know 便利屋 does not sell goods, but does service like plumbering, walking dogs, pruning Ume trees in your house, etc. Whereas コンビニ like Seven Eleven does not do laundry service.

JACK

yes

By137

@JACK When I said 屋 doesn't necessarily mean room, I meant 屋 also has the usage of marking occupation like 殺し屋 for assassin. 八百屋 for produce store, etc. That's the usage seen in 便利屋 too

JACK

14:17

yes i see that

ajsmart

It would appear that this may be the most people I've seen in the room at the same time.

with 5 currently active from what i can see.

I haven't seen it this busy since I initially joined in 2017.

+1

By137

YAY, a new record!

JACK

its good

ajsmart

lol I spoke too soon

Felipe Oliveira

hello

JACK

14:21

benriya can mean convenience store if translated literally

ajsmart

You'll also sound like a crazy person if you speak Japanese that was literally translated from English.

By137

How can it be literal if you are forcing "room" to mean "store"

ajsmart

0/10 would not recommend.

Felipe Oliveira

yeah lol

JACK

it may be a dialect

ajsmart

14:23

it isn't

Felipe Oliveira

i'm exchanging e-mails with this HR guy, and goddamn how tiring it is because the amount of keigo

JACK

lol

Felipe Oliveira

and on the 17th I'll have a phone interview with him, thank god i've been practicing a lot lately

JACK

good

Felipe Oliveira

I at least feel I can pull off my broken japanese

JACK

14:25

does he speak English?

Felipe Oliveira

probably not

he's a korean guy working as an HR agent for this japanese company

JACK

he speaks English

ajsmart

Probably not

Felipe Oliveira

I'd assume not

just japanese and korean

ajsmart

In general, I'd say that Koreans are just as good at English as Japanese people are.

Which is to say, barring extensive experience, they learned some in high school, but really know next to nothing...

JACK

14:28

lol

Felipe Oliveira

it could be the case that this guy can speak english, but if i were to bet my money on it, I'd definitely say no

Anonymous

@ajsmart English is a really hard language for Korean speakers.

ajsmart

That doesn't surprise me very much to be honest.

I have several foreign exchange korean friends, and they struggled a lot.

Felipe Oliveira

when I met some koreans and they tried to teach me basic stuff, the pronunciation felt very distant from both english and portuguese

ajsmart

Nowadays I think they have mostly forgotten their English skills, which is sad.

How similar was it to Japanese?

Felipe Oliveira

14:32

tell me about it, despite being able to comprehend english very well, my english is very rusty

but I'm getting to brush it up with other foreigners here every now and then

@ajsmart to be fair, not similar at all

it reminded me more of chinese than japanese if anything

but not as complex

(but you know, from a very naive perspective, cause i know nothing about the language)

ajsmart

I have some friends that speak korean, but I haven't bothered to learn much from them. I'd have to say I'm in the same boat.

Felipe Oliveira

is no longer a boat, it became a car (t-t)

ajsmart

I was about to say the same thing.

Felipe Oliveira

but yeah, I feel you

how about your japanese?

ajsmart

We're in the same... car?

Felipe Oliveira

14:35

lol yeah, couldn't miss that one

ajsmart

My Japanese is ok. It has definitely been better, but I keep it fresh with family that speaks it (on occasion), and phone calls with friends when we both have the time.

Lately, with a new job, that's been difficult, but whatevs.

Felipe Oliveira

oh yeah you told me that

how luck to have family members that can speak it lol

ajsmart

Yeah, my dad learned it when he was about 20.

Felipe Oliveira

yeah, I`ve been finding it hard to study kanji here in japan

as ironic as it is lol

feels like i`m always busy here

ajsmart

How does Japan feel economically right now?

Felipe Oliveira

14:39

I'm brazilian, everything is expensive to me lol but it's fine. i'm cooking so I save a lot of money

I can even walk to school, but I haven't so far

if I get a job, I'll be more than fine though

ajsmart

Does it feel like there are a lot of people struggling to find employment?

Felipe Oliveira

oh, got it now

ajsmart

Yeah, i'm talking in general.

Felipe Oliveira

honestly, for the people I've met, I don't see anyone complaining

but it might depend on what kinds of jobs we're talking

it seems there's a lot of tech jobs

but in other areas, I'm not so sure

ajsmart

Tech is the thing right now, that's for sure.

Felipe Oliveira

14:42

maybe I didn't meet the right people yet to have a better opinion

yes! like everyday I see a bunch of new positions

some don't even require high level japanese

ajsmart

It's the same in the states.

Felipe Oliveira

just conversational

yeah, in america you can make a lot of money with tech jobs it seems

best salaries in the world, I hear

ajsmart

Depends where you live.

Felipe Oliveira

probably!

big cities must pay better, but cost more to live there

ajsmart

If you are in the San Francisco Bay area, you can get a job that pays $80,000, and still struggle to pay your rent.

Felipe Oliveira

14:44

btw, では、１０月１７日の１１時にお電話で面談をさせていただきます。 <- what do you think? does it look right? or maybe should I drop the keigo and just write regular japanese

really? that sounds harsh...

ajsmart

Take that salary to say, Idaho, and you'll live like a king.

Felipe Oliveira

Yeah, I guess a lot of places in the world are like that

ajsmart

Yeah, the bay area is particularly bad for that. Ironic that it is also a center for Google, Facebook, Apple, etc.

Felipe Oliveira

I had a good pay in my town in Brazil... But with that salary in s'ao paulo I wouldn`t be able to do much

that`s interesting tho

ajsmart

Personally, I had the opportunity to go there, and I passed it up because the cost of living was way too high.

Felipe Oliveira

14:46

If money was what I was looking for the most, I'd probably try to go to america

but even so, it seems much harder to get a working visa in USA than japan

ajsmart

I make 15% less than what they offered there, and live much better than I ever would have in California.

Yeah, the US is pretty touch and go about immigrants right now.

Felipe Oliveira

Yeah, you have to be cautious with the numbers

back in brazil, I would need like at least 40% raise to move to são paulo and live a good life

I mean, I don't blame them

ajsmart

Makes you wonder how people make it work when the numbers work against you in cities/areas like that.

Felipe Oliveira

If I wanted to make money and have it easier with the visa, I'd probably try canada

I heard it's much easier

and it pays good, not as good as america, but good

I guess some people just don't know any better

and don't want to move out

maybe

ajsmart

Canada.... Can you stand the cold though?

Felipe Oliveira

14:53

that`s the problem

for brazil, I lived in a fairly cold place

we get like -2 celsius on winter

but nothing close to canada

I would have to probably go visit there before making the decision to move there

ajsmart

You could take up a new hobby like skiing.

Plenty of great resorts in Canada for skiing. Japan too, if you can get into the mountains on the weekend.

Felipe Oliveira

yeah I definitely wanna try it here in japan

never skied before

I will climb a mountain 高尾山 on the 25th

this will be fun already, but skiying is another thing I wanna do too

ajsmart

skiing is pretty great, but it can be hard to pick up at first. So if it's difficult at first, it does get better.

Like learning Japanese.

Felipe Oliveira

yeah, I'm sure I'm gonna suck at it lol like learning japanese

but it's just for the fun and the experience itself :)

JACK

i see

By137

15:06

Could anyone offer some opinions on the answer to the bountied 面目 question? I'm having a hard time deciding if I should accept or wait.

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Q: What is the difference between 体面 and 面目？

体面{たいめん} = honor; dignity; prestige; reputation; appearances 面目{めんぼく} = face; countenance; honor; reputation; prestige; dignity As individual words they seem to be almost the same, is there any difference I need to be aware of? I'm especially curious how the phrases they are used in distinguish ...

meaning usage

ajsmart

Is there any part in particular that's holding you up?

By137

On the surface level the lack of upvotes had me wondering if there is something wrong I'm not seeing

ajsmart

From my perspective, I don't know enough about the two words to say whether or not it is deserving of up-votes.

By137

Then there are statements I don't quite understand like "面目 is feeling yourself a human, not an animal."

ajsmart

This could be the same for others, I don't know...

By137

15:10

yeah

ajsmart

(new reccord btw)

again

Anonymous

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Chocolate

15:34

@FelipeOliveira 敬語使っていいと思いますよ

明日の朝？おお

～月～日１１時からのお電話での面談、よろしくお願いいたします、とかかな

（フェリペさんは、「面談をする」というより「面談を受ける」ほうなので）

Darius Jahandarie

17:28

@By137 You could ask @naruto for their opinion, since it’s their bounty. :)

I assume if naruto is putting a bounty on something it’s a pretty difficult question.

By137

Yeah, I will do that.
I just find the lack of response in either direction puzzling.

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