Japanese Language

broccoli forest

00:00

塔婆プリンタ DSP-301 デモンストレーション

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Anonymous

I don't know anything about Siddham, so I don't know what conjunct means in this context. Is that like a ligature?

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I think in Brahmi script (and Devanagari), the script has vowels and consonants.

The combinations such as ka, ki, ku, ke, ko, would be called conjuncts.

Anonymous

Oh, I see!

Anonymous

I have a lot to learn about writing systems

Damkerng T.

I'm not sure if consonant clusters would be a closer term.

broccoli forest

00:04

@FriendlyGhost nhg.pro.tok2.com/qa/kousei-4.htm

Damkerng T.

Oh, they occupy the block U+11580 - U+115FF.

broccoli forest

@FriendlyGhost in short, positive + た could mean "perfect" or "past", but negative + た only means "past"

Anonymous

Consonant cluster is a term usually used in phonetics or phonology.

broccoli forest

@Schoko というか名前が…しょこたん…ｗｗｗ

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Iiuc, when a consonant is written alone in Sanskrit, the default vowel is /a/.

Anonymous

00:08

> cluster (n.) A term used in the analysis of connected speech to refer to any sequence of adjacent consonants, especially those occurring initially or finally in a syllable, such as the initial [br-] of bread, or the final [-st] of best. Not all possible combinations of consonants occur in a language. Initially in syllables in English, for example, clusters are not possible with [ð], [tʃ], [dʒ], or [z].

Anonymous

> Up to three consonants can occur initially, as in [spr-], [spl-], [skw-]; up to four can occur finally, as in glimpsed [-mpst] and twelfths [-lfθs]. See also reduce.

Anonymous

(A Dictionary of Linguistics and Phonetics, 6th ed.)

Anonymous

Off-topic: karapaia.livedoor.biz/archives/52196351.html

Anonymous

(Well, to me, mollusks are always on-topic...)

Damkerng T.

Off-topic too...

Snail in Sanskrit: कंबुस्थ

(Kambustha, lit. meaning "they who are in a shell")

broccoli forest

00:20

today's off-topic: typhoon

jma.go.jp/jp/typh/1511.html

Damkerng T.

Oh, no!

unarist

03:07

@Schoko ですね

（ところで「@... 私とおんなじ？」とだけinboxに入っていてちょっとぎょっとしました）

@broccoliforest typefaces never change と聞いて、ロゴタイプとかはどうなんだろうと思ったのですが、あれも元のフォントを知っていればそんなに識別は難しくないんでしょうか

virmaior

05:39

@snailboat fair enough on a certain level. Do you think I could formulate a legitimately answerable question about the usage of 罪 vs sin?

Schoko

09:32

@unarist ぎょっ

スマソ

@broccoliforest ちょこよりちょっとかわいい(つもり)

@snailboat ？どゆこと～

こんなかんじですか

odditycentral.com/news/…

l'électeur

Schokoて・・

Schoko

@l'électeur Shokoであるべき？

台風結構来てますよ

風が

l'électeur

いやそういうわけでは・・

今は「嵐の前の静けさ」状態や。こっちは。

Schoko

@Lorenz それって、りかいちゃんか、りかいくんですよね

ドイツ語→日本語のポップアップ辞書を、ダウンロードしようとして、どうもうまくいかなくて

あきらめました

broccoli forest

11:17

@unarist どのくらいデフォルメするか次第ですね、あと微妙に他のフォントの特徴を混ぜるような変形をされるとすごい混乱します

@Schoko 書庫に入ってそう…（？）

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Q: Feedback Requested: Design-Independent Graduation

Last month's announcement about our updated criteria for graduation and site closure sparked some solid examination into the intended nature of public beta and graduation. One thing these discussions showed us is that, contrary to what the Community Team had long believed, getting a custom desig...

これってgraduateしなくてもデザインが変えられるようにはならないんですね

@FriendlyGhost oh, I missed an important part: the site actually says "negative + た only means past outside subjunctive situations"

and I now noticed @snailboat already cited the same url as mine long ago... (dying of embarrassment)

unarist

11:41

@broccoliforest むしろデザインの方が時間かかるので、他を先に進められないかという話のように見えます

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A: Site Launched, who is next?

Sites and their communities aren't built on production lines nor is their progress set on a fixed schedule… so unfortunately it would virtually impossible to answer your question in our current workflow. There are very few minimum criteria1 for when a site becomes eligible for graduation, so the...

> We recently hired some fantastic new designers to help clear the backlog, but there is a still about 9 sites waiting for a design, last I checked.

そうでなくとも、卒業祝い的な意味合いがありそうですが

broccoli forest

@unarist graduateしなくてもデザインがいじれる話を期待したのですが、どうやらデザインをいじらなくてもgraduateできる、という逆の命題だけだったようですね

broccoli forest

12:00

むずい

unarist

@broccoliforest これどこかの文字なんです・・・？

broccoli forest

日本語の速記らしいですよ

kimota.blog.jp/archives/1000887432.html

Flaw

12:16

boredbean.com/article.aspx?id=1000884

unarist

ひええ・・・

Flaw

fluffy bunny slugs!

unarist

サイトがサイトだったんで半分冗談かなと思ってしまったんですが、確かに速記が必要な場面（というか仕事）はありますね・・・すごい

ウミウシって色々あるんですね・・・ google.co.jp/…

broccoli forest

@Flaw they're multiplying in my twitter timeline

Flaw

well rabbits multiply fast

broccoli forest

12:21

you're right

これがポケモンの起源か…

Flaw

12:33

unarist

上見てから下を見るとかわいく見えてしまう不思議

broccoli forest

does anyone know if "Never breathe a syllable of it to any one!" is an archaic expression?

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Q: Is the negative in ゆめ人に洩らし給えそ implicit?

ゆめ人に洩らし給えそ　Never breathe a syllable of it to any one! (ＮＥＷ斎藤和英大辞典) Is negative meaning here implied but not stated explicitly? ゆめ＝　必ず, そ = ぞ as bound particle (it could be negative final particle そ, maybe, but that follows renyoukei/mizenkei according to this http://kobun.weblio.jp/content/...

grammar

Flaw

@broccoliforest it doesn't feel archaic to me

oh do you mean the english or the japanese? the english doesn't feel archaic to me

broccoli forest

thanks, for some reason the editor of the dictionary translated it in (semi-)classical Japanese

while other average translations are more or less modern

and his classical Japanese grammar seems like a bit "broken" in this entry

broccoli forest

12:59

it seems that some environments reveal its true character

of italic Cyrillic TE

Schoko

There is no meaning (concept) for sin in Japanese culture ← そうなんですか？

the shame is the only deterrence concept　そうなんですか？

Japanese people are not familiar with the concept of sin!　そうなんですか？

Flaw

Schoko

おいｗ

Flaw

@Schoko I think the person that wrote that is probably <his-culture>-centric

broccoli forest

@Schoko なんかそれって古い日本人論の本でもよく見かけません？

日本語の

Schoko

13:11

古いって、

明治時代位の？

broccoli forest

@Flaw great minds think alike :D

I'm very glad Google knows better than translating "sin" into "正弦"... — broccoli forest 1 hour ago

Schoko

ｗｗｗ

ちょっとこんなのは見つけたんですけどね

Flaw

it's my 職業病 cos of physics

"cos" get it?

Schoko

リンク長すぎて貼れない

Flaw

(hides in shame after terrible pun)

broccoli forest

13:13

アメリカのベネディクトっていう人の説だったようです

wa.commufa.jp/~anknak/a-kotowaza-12-tsumi.htm

kotobank.jp/word/…

Schoko

ああ、それ、たぶん

wikiに書いてあった・・

Flaw

hmm I think the writer is thinking about 天罰

how relevant is 天罰 to the population of Japan?

broccoli forest

(it was very funny until explained :) )

Flaw

I think the answer to that is the same for all cultures = "as long as you believe in a 天罰 compatible religion"

broccoli forest

@Flaw hmm maybe because I'm not religious, it sounds as real as Santa Claus...

Flaw

13:17

and he has chosen to describe sin in a way that it must be related to divine judgement

hmm if he decides to define sin in such a narrow way, then almost certainly anyone else with a slightly different view would not be "familiar with the concept of sin"

Schoko

books.google.co.jp/books?id=Xb2Ll_g1lwMC&pg=PT127&dq=日本に「罪の文化」がないかといえば、そ‌んなことはありません&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAGoVChMI2P_qqN_fxgIVojSmCh3yRAC3#v=onepage&q=日‌本に「罪の文化」がないかといえば、そんなことはありません&f=false

これなんだけど

ああ、だめだわ

unarist

いや、ちゃんと見れてますよ

GoogleのURLは（パーマリンク的には）なくてもいい部分が多い・・・

Schoko

Remember "sin" is a concept characteristic to monotheistic religions.　そうなんですか？

Flaw

13:33

well I just asked my atheist friend if he understood sin

the conversation went something like this

"do you understand sin?"

"yes"

Schoko

(｡・ω・)(・ω・｡)ﾈｰ

broccoli forest

14:03

Q: What are the islands of sins?
A: Cocos Islands.

unarist

CMは何度も見たけど一度も食べに行ったことない cocos-jpn.co.jp

Schoko

14:45

私も

近くにココスないです

Anonymous

20:22

japaneseverbconjugation.com/verb/kanji/%E5%B8%B0%E3%82%8B　Does this page help? — choco 2 days ago

Anonymous

japaneseverbconjugation.com/verb/kana/%E8%A1%8C%E3%81%8F

Anonymous

> Past - Plane いいた

Anonymous

I noticed the site doesn't list 命令形, so it can't get くれ wrong

Anonymous

I also don't seem to be able to look up する (it assumes I mean 刷る)

Anonymous

The same happens with くる

Anonymous

20:27

Oh... It gets every irregular verb wrong...

Anonymous

That's not a very good verb conjugator :-(

Anonymous

Is there a good one online?

Anonymous

Japanese verb forms are so regular, you don't really need one, I guess

Anonymous

In high school, I got a big book of French verb forms

Anonymous

I started learning Japanese later and was told that a book like that would be a waste of money

Anonymous

20:44

The weird thing in 日本語教育 is that I never know what the complete list of 活用形 is supposed to be

Anonymous

It's pretty simple in 学校文法, where there's just the usual six...

Anonymous

Even if it's questionable whether it makes sense synchronically to consider morphologized endings like 〜て to be 助詞, given that they display a high level of fusion with their hosts

Anonymous

I do wonder if a system like 学校文法 but with minimal changes (e.g. establishing 意向形 as a separate form rather than considering it to be 未然形) wouldn't be simpler for learners

Anonymous

And 音便形 before 〜た・〜て・〜たり etc.

Anonymous

日本語文法入門ハンドブック uses 意志形 for the form 〜（よ）う attaches to, Shibatani uses 志向形, the 日本語文法ハンドブック series uses 意向形

Anonymous

20:54

Not sure which name is most common or makes the most sense

Anonymous

21:11

@Choko Plane = plain? — Earthliŋ 2 days ago

Anonymous

When I was snailplane instead of snailboat,

Anonymous

a lot of people called me snailplain

Earthliŋ

21:56

not me =)

but I called you snailboat when you were snailplane

and when you where snailboat, I called you snailplane

Anonymous

Sorry for confusing everyone with my vehicular polymorphism!

Anonymous

22:16

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A: What does this Verb+Noun structure mean and how to use it?

This is a relative clause. You might translate it as "The time has come, where (I) die in the greenhouse" or "The time to [die in the greenhouse] has come". It's split up the following way: 温室で死ぬ - die in the greenhouse 時が来た - time has come Literally "Die-in-the-greenhouse time has come"...

Anonymous

This is Xeo's first post! I feel like I've seen Xeo around a lot before, though. Was that all in chat?

Darius Jahandarie

Hah. Apparently!

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