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02:57
yo, long time no see
question!
are the kanji based on simplified chinese characters, or traditional?
surprisingly couldnt find the answer on google
I assume it's traditional since they came over so long ago, and simplified are relatively new.
but you never know if maybe they adopted the simplified characters as well
ping me when you're in-- thanks!
03:21
@非回答者 かっこええっておかしない?
@非回答者 ところで
「ごきげんよう」って、ほんとにつかうことある?
関西では神戸女学院高校の生徒が使うくらいちゃうかな
あ、もうひとつ、
「ありがとう」に対して「いいってことよ」って、普通に使う?江戸っ子じゃなくても?
まあ、女の人は使わないね。
東京なら、男の人は普通に使ってるの?
@Aerovistae traditionalのほうだと思います
日本で使ってる漢字は、simplifiedよりtraditionalのほうが、似ているものが多いと思います。
 
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06:07
@Aerovista traditional, simplified, and their own variant
@Aerovistae
06:29
@Choko 英語見たら、かっこええ思うのが我々日本人ちゃうの?
@Choko 「ごきげんよう」は日常的に使う人は非常に少ないです。東京では極たまにおばさん(ちょっとええとこの)が使ってます。あとは、私のある家族が行っていた東京のある私立高‌​校では、「ごきげんよう」を使用することがルールです。
「いいってことよ」なんてほとんど誰も言いません。ドラマの中でしか聞きません。笑われますよ、そんな話し方したら。
確か、そう回答していた変な名前のメンバーがいましたね。あの人、あまり日本語知らないです。っていうか、どこか(ドラマなど)で一度聞くと、それが耳に残っちゃうタイプ‌​と見てます。
07:30
@非回答者 COOLじゃなくて?
 
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09:05
@Aerovistae neither. Japanese Kanji are based on the Chinese writing from the era of Tang dynasty and after that all three (actually more, but let's ignore it) systems developed their own way.
but if you compare Japanese Kanji to what is used in Chinese language, Traditional would be much closer to what is present in Japanese. Especially in the very old books, like 90 years ago were using even more similar to Traditional Chinese characters.
09:43
どーも
はろ〜
 
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Anonymous
11:25
@Aerovistae Japan has its own official set of simplifications, along with a history of unofficial simplifications. There's a little bit of overlap with Simplified Chinese, but it's more like Traditional. In any case, you'll need to consider kanji separately. There are also made-in-Japan letters, called 国字 such as 辻 or 峠. (I think some of these were borrowed back into Chinese.)
Anonymous
The Japanese writing system is now very old and its use of kanji differs from how hanzi are used in Chinese in a number of ways
Anonymous
Too numerous to list
11:40
Hello everyone, I haven't been here for loooong time.
Anonymous
Welcome back!
But I've been on the main site all the time :)
Even got a badge for it :)
Anonymous
Yay!
Anonymous
> visited 726 days, 717 consecutive
Well, I'll never catch you
Anonymous
11:43
I've never managed to get the 100 days straight badge on ELL though
Anonymous
That's the other site I use sometimes
Mine is 138 days, 138 consecutive. Never missed a day since joining :)
Anonymous
Yay!
My slow period here coincided with a slow period of my Japanese learning. I'm trying to get back to it now.
I was just looking at the starred images and we have quite a lot of snails here for a Japanese language website ;)
Anonymous
One of the pictures has Japanese-English dictionaries! :-)
11:49
Yes, I saw that too :)
How long does it take for a snail to eat that much lettuce?
Anonymous
It depends on how old and hungry the snail is. But I have more than one snail :-)
Anonymous
When a snail is, say, six weeks old, they might be able to eat that whole leaf in a few days
How many do you have? Different kinds?
Anonymous
Not many. They're all Helix aspersa
Anonymous
The snail in my avatar is Bean
Anonymous
11:52
Eating banana?
Anonymous
This snail is Moon
Anonymous
Anonymous
Uh-huh :-) A slice of banana
Do you tell them apart by the pattern on the shell?
Anonymous
11:54
Their shells look different--the patterns and the colors--and the color of the foot looks different too
Anonymous
And they grow to slightly different sizes
Anonymous
They probably all look the same if you're not used to seeing them every day, but if you get used to having pet snails they all look different :-)
That's all very interesting.
I never met anyone having pet snails before.
Have to go, speak to you later!
Anonymous
See you!
Anonymous
I thought we had a question about the origin of 助動詞「ない」 but I can't find it
Anonymous
12:09
日本文法大辞典 says: 助動詞「ない」の語源には諸説がある。①打消「ぬ」を形容詞化したもの、②形容詞「なし」の転訛、③『万葉集』東国方言の「なふ」の変化したもの、④以上の諸要素が影響混‌​合して生じたもの、などがそれである。
Anonymous
12:37
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A: How do you respond to thanks given?

KokoroatariNo one said two really common expressions: どうってことない and いいってこと, followed usually by よ ... Also any similar expression ( どうってことはない, どうと言うこともない, どうって言うことはない and so on...). To prove the use of ii tte koto, which I guess may be regional, here is a link: http://m.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/detail/q1051...

Anonymous
Presumably whoever downvoted feels that they aren't "really common expressions". — snailboat ♦ 1 hour ago
Anonymous
Then they should watch more drama and television. Even if it's not what you can hear in everyday conversation, if you hear it everyday on tv you should know it and consider it common. How could I have learnt it if it wasn't common? (Btw, please, never seen naruto, I'm 33 yrs old). — Kokoroatari 1 hour ago
13:07
What does Choko mean by 江戸っ子?
Edo style speech?
no
person from tokyo
Ah ok
Thoughts about the expressions in that answer?
Are you talking to me? And by "that answer", are you referring to the answer about how to reply to "Thak you"?
Yeah, you and snailboat I guess. And yes, kokoroatari's answer posted by snailboat
Sorry about the vagueness
Well, I am replying anyway because I have to go soon. That is a terrible answer. I said what I think right here about 6-7 hours ago. I said "It is only said in Dramas." and he jimself said "they should watch more dramas.", which was funny. I say with 100% confidence as an older native speaker that we DO NOT say 「いいってことよ」 in real life.
If you wanna make people laugh, you might say it.
The problem is that the guy clearly stated that it was a common expression.
be back in 30 minutes.
Anonymous
@3to5businessdays Do you know what the old name of Tokyo is?
well, Edo, obviously
Anonymous
Hehe :-)
TIL Edo = 江戸 too
Somehow I've never bothered looking up 江戸
@snailboat You posted the answer and the comments as separate messages?
Anonymous
@3to5businessdays Yes, when you post a link to an answer or comment, it quotes it automatically in here
13:25
Ah, ok. At first glance I thought when you posted an answer, the comments are automatically posted for you hehe
Anonymous
Sorry if it was unclear!
13:40
@非回答者 おふろですか
シャワー。今出た。
おか
あのおっさん寅さんかなんか見てるんちゃう?普通のドラマじゃまず聞けないセリフだからね。
wwww寅さん
ふるっ
失敬なっ!
13:48
そう?漫画なら、いろいろな方言があるからねえ
結局、フィクションばかりを教材として使うとああなっちゃうんだよね。昔ネットで教えてた米国の大学生なんか、文末ぜんぶ「ござる」だった。それ諦めさせるのに数週間かか‌​ったよ。なんかのサムライ漫画読んでたみたい。
あはは
きっと侍ファンだったのね
拙者もそろそろお風呂に入ってくるでござる
さらばでござるよ
お供致す
さてはおぬし、助兵衛でごさるな?
左様でござる。
13:55
www
> 昔ネットで教えてた米国の大学生
Is this on Youtube?
No. Yahoo Messenger. I had friends from all over the world on it.
Anonymous
I kind of miss Yahoo! Messenger
14:15
You know what I really miss? The Snail mail Age!
14:43
6
Q: learning order for kana?

draeathI'm trying to use some flash cards to learn the kana (hirigana first, but both in time), and there's simply too much for me to learn at once. Is there a recommended or practiced learning "order" or series? How are children introduced to them? I already have basic pronunciation down - if I can se...

Kinda subjective, no?
15:27
@snailboat それは、
@非回答者 これとくらべると、
ジェネレーションギャップを感じさせるねえ
@3to5businessdays 「いろはにほへと ちりぬるを」とか、どうですか?
Anonymous
I only know いろは up to いろはにほへと
15:51
I've heard that song mentioned, never studied it or something
16:05
It's just that from the answers, it seems like a question of "Recommend me your favorite way of learning kana"
Anonymous
16:32
It does sound like that, but they also ask what order children are generally taught
Anonymous
And that's answerable

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