Japanese Language

Chocolate

00:00

「オタコン」ってカタカナで入力したら、スネークの友達のオタコンが出るわ

メタルギアの

Anonymous

I think it's convention

Anonymous

But a lot of people just call them "cons"

Chocolate

ああ、大会！

オタクの大会・・・

コワイｗｗｗ

オタク総会

hippietrail

yo

Chocolate

よ

Kaji

00:24

@Chocolate そう、そういうものだ。毎年２万５千人ぐらい参加してるよ。

Anonymous

Anime convention

An anime convention is an event or gathering with a primary focus on anime, manga and Japanese culture. Commonly, anime conventions are multi-day events hosted at convention centers, hotels or college campuses. They feature a wide variety of activities and panels, with a larger number of attendees participating in cosplay than most other types of fan conventions. Anime conventions are also used as a vehicle for industry, in which studios, distributors, and publishers represent their anime related releases. History Anime conventions have long and varied worldwide history. The original Com...

Kaji

２〜３年前はちょっと面白かった：誰かはfire alarmが取れたので、みんなは早く出させた。

In a 2-block area

Kaji

03:24

@hippietrail Leaving Japan? What's next on the itinerary?

ssb

04:50

@Chocolate otacon's name in metal gear is a combination of otaku + convention

oh wait I guess you already figured that out

~whatever~

jkerian

@snailboat: You up?

Anonymous

@jkerian Yes!

Anonymous

05:40

I noticed that when it went into private beta, JLU only had 6 questions voted up to +10

Anonymous

But now the requirement is 40 (!)

Kaji

05:56

I guess they're getting pickier as there are more sites forming?

ssb

weren't there a lot of really stagnant betas before?

Anonymous

Betas also used to be 90 days long

jkerian

@snailboat Were betas ever really 90 days long? I don't think so

Kaji

Perhaps a group of us should blast it out on Facebook. I'm sure we could probably at least club enough people over the head into it that way.

Anonymous

@jkerian Yep.

ssb

05:57

1080 and counting!

Anonymous

Math, for example

Anonymous

I don't use Facebook

Kaji

Theoretically our beta is supposed to end when they get a design, but I haven't seen anything on that since they made that pronouncement

Anonymous

So I leave that to Facebookish people.

jkerian

@snailboat You don't use reddit either, we'll corrupt you yet

Anonymous

05:57

@jkerian It's true, I don't! :-)

Kaji

I've always meant to check out reddit, but never gotten around to it

ssb

to be fair I only use reddit grudgingly

Anonymous

I had an account for a couple days

Kaji

It has actual accounts?

I'd always heard it compared to 4chan

Anonymous

4chan is actually lower on the totem pole.

jkerian

05:58

@snailboat: Anyways... was poking you about that merge flag

Anonymous

It manages this by being 4chan.

Anonymous

@jkerian I saw it!

Anonymous

It's the second time someone's flagged it suggesting a merge, apparently.

ssb

you make your account and subscribe to the content you're interested in

Kaji

Perhaps, but it has heritage. /b/ and /m/ are the source of half the memes you see flying about

Gotcha

ssb

05:59

it's possible to avoid a lot of the stuff that's really "reddit" but it still seeps through

Anonymous

@Kaji 4chan is the source of no culture I am interested in

ssb

/b/ was relevant in 2005 maybe

Kaji

<-- showing his age, I guess

ssb

back before normal, socially well-adjusted people started using the internet..

jkerian

@ssb and thus reddit was born? (!?!?)

Kaji

06:01

hehehe...

ssb

exactly

Kaji

I used to run a forum that provided probably about a quarter of the daily users on /m/

ssb

even something awful is nothing in modern internet culture

Kaji

Oh man, hadn't thought about SA.com in a while

Oh, the unfortunate consequences of linking from their site...

(suffice to say, you didn't direct embed their images)

ssb

i wonder if fark still exists at all

Anonymous

06:03

Yeah, small webservers used to get overwhelmed when linked to by larger sites

Kaji

Well, that wasn't the issue so much

ssb

SA changed all their embedded images to some terrible thing that i forgot

Anonymous

Oh?

Kaji

A high-resolution image of the male member

Anonymous

Ah, you meant directly linked to images, not actually posting links

Kaji

06:05

Right

Anonymous

Yeah, I don't use sites like that one either

Kaji

Geez though, kind of scary to think that YouTube is now 10...

Anonymous

Well, it's not . . .

Kaji

That means there are people out there that seriously can't remember an Internet without it

It's pretty close, because I know I saw my first videos linked from it while I was in Japan

OK, Wiki says it's got a few months. Still enough to catch one by surprise, though.

Anonymous

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Q: What is the difference between お元気に、お元気で、気をつけて？

Possible Duplicate: Difference between 気をつけて, お大事に and お元気で I want to say hello to a friend I haven't seen for a long time, and end my message with "take care". All of お元気{げんき}に, お元気{げんき}で and 気{き}をつけて mean "take care", so which one suits my case? How should I say it? And I want to di...

Anonymous

06:12

We moderators are waffling on whether or not to merge this with the question it's closed as a duplicate of

Anonymous

What say you, community members?

Anonymous

Do our deciding for us!

Kaji

Darn near an exact duplicate. I'd say go for it.

Anonymous

@jkerian You heard him! ;-)

jkerian

Yeah, aside from the irrelevent mistake they're the same, and for a change there are decent answers on both

Was merging, got an error message ><

Anonymous

06:15

D'oh!!

Kaji

hehehe...

Both tried to do it at once?

Anonymous

I did not.

Anonymous

So it's obviously all jkerian's fault. :-)

jkerian

I blame Canada

(much better)

Yeah... I'm getting the "Oops" screen when I try to merge

That may actually explain why it wasn't merged earlier

Anonymous

Shall I try with my superior merging powers?

Kaji

06:17

jkerian

@Kaji haha! that is awesome

Kaji

hehehe...

Got to admire the creativity on that one

jkerian

@snailboat Give it a try

ahh... I see the TL post

ssb

06:35

I'm going crazy trying to figure out how this script works..

So frustrating when you're trying to learn something and it just stays conceptually over your head

jkerian

13:03

@snailboat: so... you figure it was us trying to merge that broke stack exchange?

Chocolate

13:18

メンテ長かった・・・

Chocolate

13:54

この、青いの、何ですか？

jkerian

@Chocolate Frosting... probably

Shape: wilsoninfo.com/us_flag_large1.gif :)

Chocolate

おお！

気付かなかったｗｗｗ

Money Oriented Programmer

14:56

Hi folks, what is the javascript library used in this site to show kanji with its furigana? for example 気{き}。

Krazer

@MoneyOrientedProgrammer it's powered by ruby: dev.sstatic.net/js/third-party/japanese-l-u.js

Money Oriented Programmer

15:24

@Krazer Can we use it for our own blog, for example?

Anonymous

Maybe you should ask @cypher

Anonymous

I don't see a license on it

Money Oriented Programmer

@snailboat Is it put on CDN like jQuery where everybody can reference it?

Anonymous

You'd have to adapt cypher's code for your own purposes.

Anonymous

Anyway, the RUBY tag is part of HTML.

Tim

15:56

@Kaji I don't use facebook either.

Tim

16:14

@jkerian: BTW, I dug up a copy of Kuno's The structure of the Japanese Language. It is really something. It's also the basis for one of my favourite references, A students' guide to Japanese Grammar but Naomi Hanaoka McGloin but I am not sure how I am going to digest it.

jkerian

@Tim Some chapters are better than others... but I've found it quite helpful

Anonymous

16:32

@Tim I still don't have that book.

Anonymous

I did find a used copy of Martin's 1975 reference grammar for $11 (!)

Kaji

Nice!

Money Oriented Programmer

Is the 月 like character in 前 identical? If yes, why is the left vertical line of 月 a bit curved?

@snailboat Thank you for the information.

Anonymous

Would anyone be willing to check my answer about 朝・午前中 for errors?

Anonymous

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A: When do I have to use 午{ご}前{せん}中{ちゅう} and 朝{あさ}?

If you mean "morning", I think they're often interchangeable. The native Japanese 朝 is more common, and if I search the Balanced Corpus of Contemporary Written Japanese (BCCWJ) for your particular phrase, we find about a five-to-one ratio in favor of 朝: 明日の朝に　　　　　50 results 明日の午前中に　　　10 r...

Anonymous

16:47

@MoneyOrientedProgrammer I think historically it comes from 舟

Anonymous

I write it exactly like 月 though

Anonymous

Which font do you see the left curve in?

Money Oriented Programmer

Anonymous

@MoneyOrientedProgrammer Oh, hey, you're right! I do write 月 with a left curvy side.

Anonymous

I was only trying to write 前 and discovering that it had a straight line :-)

Money Oriented Programmer

16:53

@snailboat They are identical ?

Anonymous

@MoneyOrientedProgrammer I don't really know what you're asking

Anonymous

If they're different, they're different, and if they're the same, they're the same. Right?

Anonymous

So you just noticed a difference. That makes them different :-)

Money Oriented Programmer

I meant the curvature of the left line does not matter?

Anonymous

You should probably try to write them like you see them

Anonymous

16:55

I never noticed the difference before :-) Or it's been so long that I forgot

Money Oriented Programmer

Maybe in compound form the curvy must be straightened as the bottom line of　金 becomes a bit slanted in 銀行. Maybe :-)

Anonymous

Hmm... I think it's curvy as an element in other characters sometimes. Like in 遡

Anonymous

I'm trying to think of characters where it's one way or the other

Anonymous

There's probably some sort of pattern I don't know

Anonymous

The left curves in 肝 and 朋

Money Oriented Programmer

16:59

I will ask it in the main site soon...

Anonymous

It looks to me like it's not curved in 前・揃・煎, or 癒・愉・輸・諭, or 脊

Anonymous

But I wonder if that varies from font to font or such

Money Oriented Programmer

@snailboat How do you search such characters quickly?

Anonymous

@MoneyOrientedProgrammer I typed them. I mostly thought of them because of 前, which has the 刀 element to the right

Anonymous

The other ones I tried without that mostly have the curve

Anonymous

17:07

There are online searches though, try Jim Breen's: jisho.org/kanji/radicals

Anonymous

If you click 月 and look through... Hmm... Maybe if I make the font bigger...

Anonymous

Ah, this is helpful if I make the font giant :-)

Anonymous

@MoneyOrientedProgrammer Another good tool is Zhongwen.com

Money Oriented Programmer

Nice site, I can those radicals as variables when teaching mathematics. :-)

@snailboat Yes. It is also nice.

Anonymous

@MoneyOrientedProgrammer One thing to keep in mind is that Jim Breen's "multi-radical search" doesn't define "radical" in a rigorous manner

Anonymous

17:11

I think a bunch of students tried to classify characters into a set of elements based on what they looked like they contained, and you'll find some inconsistencies in the data set

Anonymous

But it's still a very helpful project

Money Oriented Programmer

@snailboat Is the radical set provided by Jim complete?

Anonymous

@MoneyOrientedProgrammer Completeness is undefined.

Anonymous

He chose a set of elements to categorize things under that he thought would help people look up kanji.

Money Oriented Programmer

@snailboat OK. :-)

Anonymous

17:14

It's not the same as the traditional set of Kangxi radicals

Anonymous

At different points in history, different dictionary compilers have chosen different sets of radicals

Anonymous

A lot of the time people use "radical" to refer to the set of 214 Kangxi radicals. No, it is not the same as those.

Anonymous

Other times, people use "radical" to mean "element of a character" (loosely defined)

Anonymous

It's this latter sense you'll find in Jim Breen's multi-radical lookup tool

Money Oriented Programmer

Is it possible to get the database of Jim's site for our personal usage?

the database of characters I meant

Anonymous

17:18

Yes.

Anonymous

The site I linked you to isn't Jim Breen's. It's another site which uses his data.

Anonymous

His dictionary files, including KANJIDIC and KRADFILE, are freely available

Anonymous

edrdg.org

Money Oriented Programmer

@snailboat Nice to know it.

Anonymous

@MoneyOrientedProgrammer A lot of people use this freely available data and sell interfaces to it like iPhone apps

Anonymous

17:20

You'll find a lot of dictionary sites on the web which are just interfaces to this data.

Anonymous

For example, Tangorin, jisho.org, and Jim Breen's own WWWJDIC all use that data

Money Oriented Programmer

@snailboat So the database itself cannot be hosted in our private database server?

Anonymous

@MoneyOrientedProgrammer The license is very permissive.

Anonymous

You can more or less do what you want with the files. They're under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License (V3.0)

Money Oriented Programmer

@snailboat I am interested to create a flashcard game to remember Kanji. Is there such a free application already for us?

Anonymous

17:22

@MoneyOrientedProgrammer Probably.

Anonymous

One of the most commonly used flashcard programs among learners is Anki. It's not a game, though

Anonymous

I've seen a couple attempts at turning kanji flashcards into games, although they weren't very good . . .

Anonymous

lrnj.com

Anonymous

Wow! The author is still developing it.

Anonymous

It's been the better part of a decade :-)

Money Oriented Programmer

17:28

Nice, downloading...

Krazer

@jkerian it's cake, with blue food dye

Anonymous

Ah, I think I figured it out!

Anonymous

17:46

For some reason, it's really taxing on my brain to notice whether 月 is written with a straight left line or curved.

Anonymous

I'm going through a list of characters and classifying them

Anonymous

It seems like my brain wants to treat them all as identical

Money Oriented Programmer

18:09

@snailboat: Do you have idea how to incorporate step-by-step kanji stroke order database with ANKI flashcard?

Anonymous

@MoneyOrientedProgrammer You can figure that sort of thing out if you want to do it

Money Oriented Programmer

@snailboat :-)

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