Japanese Language

@Schoko Private messages get sent to your email, but they also show up as notifications on the website, so if you got any you'd see them as long as you checked the web site :-)

Anonymous

8:02 AM

@snailboat Do you know off-hand whether には can only be replaced by は when in a corresponding sentence without は, に could be omitted? — Earthliŋ 15 hours ago

Anonymous

This seems like it should be a separate question. Do we have a question about に・は・には?

Anonymous

@Schoko The "graduation" thingy is supposed to come with moderator elections.

Anonymous

Sooo . . .

Anonymous

The community will be able to choose 3 new moderators! :-)

Anonymous

I'll run for moderator again!

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Anonymous

8:11 AM

So people can vote for me, or for other people!

Anonymous

Right now we have two moderators. Me and jkerian. Dave hasn't really done any moderation in a long time.

Anonymous

I don't know when the election is. I don't know who will run for moderator.

Anonymous

9:21 AM

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Q: おこの沙汰だ - how should we translate it?

How should be translated the phrase "おこの[沙汰]{さた}だ" in the next sentence? : [太陽光発電]{たいようこうはつでん}に[馬鹿高]{ばかだか}い[補助金]{ほじょきん}を[出]{だ}すのはおこの[沙汰]{さた}だというのが[正直]{しょうじき}なところだ。

Anonymous

I don't really know the phrase おこの沙汰

Anonymous

I typed it into my 電子辞書 and it came up with a thesaurus entry with とんでもない・論外・愚行

Anonymous

And 角川類語新辞典 says 「烏滸（おこ）」はばかの意

Anonymous

> 物笑いになるようなばかげたしわざ。

Anonymous

I guess the full phrase isn't in very many dictionaries.

Anonymous

9:24 AM

Maybe the OP just needs to look up おこ

Anonymous

There, I left a comment

Anonymous

It looks like the complete phrase 烏滸{おこ}の沙汰{さた} only has its own entry in a few dictionaries, but I was able to find the phrase listed under 烏滸 in all the dictionaries I checked. So maybe start by looking up 烏滸 instead of the whole phrase? — snailboat ♦ 14 secs ago

Anonymous

(I put the kanji hoping it would make it easier to look up)

l'électeur

11:37 AM

@Schoko 誰がジェネレーションギャップやねん！１９９１年のCMやぞ。既にええ大人やったろ？地域的に「うまいっしょ」が関西で売られてたかどうかはわからんけど。

Schoko

12:59 PM

@l'électeur いや～おとなやったかどうか・・・

またおこってんの

l'électeur

怒ってへんわ！

Schoko

@snailboat I will vote for you, of course!

@l'électeur こわいなｗｗ

l'électeur

うそつけ～

あのままスレのなかで話すわけにもいかへんから、こっちに来ただけや。

「また怒って」て、いつも怒ってるみたいやないかい。

「切れ気味の大阪のおっちゃん」はキャラや。

もおええわ。敵意しか感じられへん。

Schoko

@snailboat 時々、大変そうだなぁって思うけど

無理しないでがんばって

@l'électeur あら。また

キャラは分かってまんがな

おこの沙汰。。。

おこ

難しい漢字。

Schoko

2:08 PM

> So, would it be rude to ask the staff, which actually has to talk in Keigo to you, to change to Teineigo, so I understand?

敬語を丁寧語に変えるって、どんなふうになるんですか

尊敬語と謙譲語を使わない、って意味かな

Earthliŋ

@snailboat Well, I had a feeling you were going to fit something insightful into 600 characters...

But I guess someone should ask a question... Maybe I will, unless someone beats me to it. (By making that comment, I was secretly hoping someone would ask a question about it, but I guess so far no one has.)

virmaior

2:24 PM

@Schoko As a non-native speaker of Japanese, I think what he's asking for is could they speak to him using constructions that don't use ご覧なさい . etc. of 尊敬語 and instead use みてください etc. This can be helpful for us ...

If I don't understand in a restaurant etc (not so often recently), I often request もっと簡単に言いてください。 or 違う表現で

言えませんか。尊敬語に慣れていないです。

things like that

staff at some restaurants are trained to only use really polite language as store policy

省略という、@Schokoの仰ったとおりの尊敬語と謙譲語を使わずに、簡単に通じることばに言うこと

mirka

5:21 PM

> If I asked someone where he was from and he just said 「北海道です。」, I might reply 「北海道はどちらですか。」 to ask for a specific city or region. I would rarely use 「の」 there as it would not make me sound like a seasoned speaker.

カッコイイ！私ももっとseasonedになりたいわ。

Anonymous

10:39 PM

@Earthliŋ I have several resources that talk about when you can use は versus には, but I really don't feel like I have a good enough sense of when に can drop to answer the question.

Anonymous

You would get a better answer from someone else, I bet :-)

l'électeur

@mirka 塩コショウしてあげる！

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