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Deo
Deo
09:27
It is as much chess as chess puzzles. The point of Fisherandom is to have the same game, just with more game in it.
Deo
Deo
09:43
Chess been around for several thousand years, expecting it to be gone in 20 is just silly.
Look, I don't understand what we arguing about anymore. You don't agree that there are problems with chess as is? You don't like this particular alternative? If latter, than it's up to taste, anyone can play what they want. If it's former, well, if Bobby Fisher doesn't convince you, I can't either.
 
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murgatroid99
murgatroid99
15:53
@Deo I think what you're missing is that there's a network effect with games. It doesn't matter if there are issues with chess, and it doesn't matter if chess960 is by some valuation "better". Regular chess is well known. It has more tournaments, and more prestigious tournaments. It has more famous players.
In other words, however you perceive no matter how you perceive the qualities of the two variants in a vacuum, if you want to play a competitive game, you will have much better luck with regular chess.
It's like the Frontier format of MTG. It's supposed to fix the problems with the Modern format, and for all I know it actually does. But it's not official, and it doesn't have a critical mass of players, so it's not worth learning or building a deck for.
And even if it did, people wouldn't stop playing Modern. Because however much better Frontier might be, Modern is the format you can play in major official tournaments.
 
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Deo
Deo
17:18
I'm not aiming to change tournament chess scene. All I say is that chess as is has problems and there are alternatives. Anyone is free to play whatever version they like most. Personally, if I want to play chess, I'd go with fisherandom, in the internet era it's not that hard to find opponents for whatever version you prefer.
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
The point is that telling people "you shouldn't memorize openings; play chess960 instead" doesn't make sense because they solve different problems
Deo
Deo
Memorizing openings IS a problem
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
I think you're being deliberately obtuse. Memorizing openings solves the problem "I want to do better in classic chess games". Chess960 solves the problem "I want to play a game where I don't have to memorize openings to do better"
Telling people to play chess960 instead of memorizing openings is basically saying that they should change their goals because you think that the requirements for accomplishing their goals are problematic/onerous.
Deo
Deo
17:34
If you view chess from perspective of pure strategy game, then memorizing openings is a hurdle one need to overcome in order to get to the strategy. It is not the only possible view, ofcource.
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
Whether or not that's true, it doesn't change what I said. Saying to go a different way instead doesn't help someone who wants to get over the hurdle
Deo
Deo
I'm not telling anybody to play one version or another. I'm just telling that there is different option.
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
I'm not going to get into an argument about who said what and how it might be interpreted, when we can all just look at the chat log.
Sure, chess960 is an option that might appeal to people who have the same concerns about classic chess that you do.
Deo
Deo
You make it sound like those conserns are some made-up nonsense. Don't you agree that chess as is has problems?
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
17:55
Honestly I'm more invested in this argument than in the game of chess itself.
I was never trying to imply that your concerns are "made-up nonsense". Just that different people have a variety of feelings about different aspects of the games that they play
I've spent enough time with MTG to see that there are different varieties of players, and there are many aspects of the game that some people see as problematic, and others see as beneficial, or important for the health of the game.
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
18:18
BTW @doppelgreener I like your new avatar
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
18:40
thank you!! :D
i think it's pretty cool >:D
 
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murgatroid99
murgatroid99
22:52
@doppelgreener Do you watch MLP? I don't remember if you've mentioned it here before
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
I've seen a few episodes
I have a handful of friends who like the series, so I've picked up things about it
& when it came time to pick a new avatar, someone recommended i choose a pony and i thought a green changeling would be appropriate :D
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
I've kind of been a Chrysalis fan since she was introduced back in season 2. She had a great twist villain introduction
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
Ooh. She's that early in? Cool!
I might realistically actually see some of her episodes then.
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
Well, like a number of villains in the series, she shows up for a two-part episode and then just disappears
I'm pretty sure her next appearance was in the season 7 finale
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
if she's in 2 episodes i'll definitely see those o/
murgatroid99
murgatroid99
22:58
It's the season 2 finale
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
23:19
Thanks. :)

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