deutschsprachiger Raum

Astrum

05:49

@Takkat ping

Takkat

06:04

German Language gone wild

Astrum

....?

Takkat

!

Astrum

I don't get it

Takkat

@Vogel612: Danke für den Titel "wollen, ob" - wenn du die Revisionen ansiehst, wirst du merken, dass der OP einen Rollback gemacht hat. Da ist mein Finger fast nicht mehr vom close Button gerutscht :/

Astrum

there's a twitter account?!?!

@Takkat are you awake enough to answer a question?

Takkat

06:17

me sleeps till noon today...

Astrum

what's that supposed to mean

Takkat

@Astrum it means: don't ask to ask - just ask ;)

2nd day after switching to MESZ is the worst, always.

Astrum

you'll get used to it

we switched weeks ago

so anyway

I need a bit of help in translating this sentence...

"you know that it's unreasonable to expect me to speak good German after a couple of months" - Du weißt, dass es unvernünftig ist.... - it doesn't fit any patterns that I'm aware of.

the "to expect" is messing me up

too many verbs

Takkat

Du kannst doch nicht erwarten, dass ich nach nur wenigen Monaten schon gut Deutsch sprechen kann.

You know --> doch

Astrum

huh?

Takkat

06:30

unreasonable = unvenünftig but --> nicht erwarten können

Sometimes a literal translation is unidiomatic.

Astrum

how does doch = you know?

Takkat

You know = Du weißt/Weißt du but it's only used in badly dubbed TV shows or movies

Astrum

so you're saying to never use it?

Takkat

However increasingly it finds it's way into contemporary German...

Younger people may say it because they heard it so often on TV. :/

<-- had no TV when he was a kid

Astrum

why is it bad, though? what's wrong with it? I had no idea it wasn't used

should I also avoid "wissen" in general?

Takkat

06:39

We'd probably use something like "Du weißt schon, dass..." but it's not used in the same meaning as it is in America.

It's more to put emphasis on a fact, with the implication that the other had not put enough effort in.

Astrum

small mistakes can confuse me

Takkat

Typo from bad keyboard.

or weak fingers ;)

Astrum

I'm buying a mechanical keyboard this week, I'm so happy

Takkat

or lazy mind.

Astrum

so "doch" kinda means "of course"?

Takkat

06:42

We have a daskeyboard at home and are very happy!

Cherry rules!

Astrum

doch schaust du das Programm? = you of course saw the program?

das keyboard is expensive. I'll probably buy that for my own personal computer when I leave

Takkat

"you know that it's unreasonable to expect me to speak good German after a couple of months" --> "Du weißt, dass es unvernünftig ist, von mir zu ewarten, dass ich nach ein paar Monaten gut Deutsch spreche" <-- literal translation. Everybody will understand it but nobody will say that

Astrum

Thanks, I see. It does seem very clunky

Takkat

So what I did is I immersed the English sentence in my brain, stirred it, and put out what I'd say in that situation...

Somebody else might say something else.

Astrum

I'm not sue how long it will take me to get the same feel in German

Takkat

06:56

like: "Kaum habe ich angefangen Deutsch zu lernen, schon bin ich flüssig darin" :D

@Astrum buy a keyboard with a letter "R" on it!

Astrum

ha

yeah, as you can see, my keyboard is on its last leg

I'm sure I hit the "r" there

sometimes it skips letters and spaces

I got 6,000,000 keystrokes out of it though, I can't complain too much

Takkat

Hast du die etwa einzeln gezählt?

Astrum

I have a program that keeps track

holy crap... I actually have 7,781,229 keystrokes...

over the past 1.5 years

do you guys do the "Bob und ich" thing too? or is that only Englisch?

Takkat

07:14

Stell' dir nur den Lärm vor, den Cherry Blue Tasten machen, wenn du alle 7 Millionen Klicks auf einmal machst. :)

Boooom!

Bob und ich? Kenn ich nicht.

Astrum

no, like this "Bob and I painted a picutre" "Bob und ich ein Gemälde malten"

Vogel612

Morning.

Astrum

hey there @Vogel612

Takkat

O/

Astrum

that was an awesome salute O7

Hail to the Chief! O7

Vogel612

07:20

O7

Takkat

CapsLock is evil

Vogel612

no caps here...

ô7

that one's better @Astrum

Astrum

badass

Vogel612

just gotta know where your accents are on the Keyboard.

Astrum

is bevor a syn with ehe?

Vogel612

07:23

wat?

Astrum

dict.leo.org/ende/index_de.html#/…

Takkat

Àkzénte!

Astrum

Who wants to correct my totally-in-need-of-corrections sentence?!

Bevor er hat zu arbeiten anfangen, wir sprachen miteinander um 9 Uhr im Morgen CET.

Takkat

totally-in-need-of-corrections

Astrum

I need to preface everything I say with that, so at least people know what they're dealing with

Takkat

07:37

Noch vor seiner Arbeit hatten wir uns um 9 Uhr MEZ besprochen.

^^have fun :)

Astrum

wtf

the question must be asked - what was wrong with mine? Grammar? or it just sounded horrible? (a combination of both is also acceptable)

Takkat

literal correction: Bevor er anfing zu arbeiten, sprachen wir um 9 Uhr MEZ miteinander.

9 Uhr == a.m. otherwise it was 21 Uhr.

oder: 9 Uhr früh vs. 9 Uhr abends

Astrum

it's strange how in english "he began working" and "he had begun working" are pretty much interchangeable.

Vogel612

oder aber, bevor er angefangen hat, zu Arbeiten, sprachen wir um 9 Uhr MEZ miteinander.

Astrum

why does "miteinander" go to the back?

Takkat

07:42

MEZ impliziert m.E. die 24h Notation.

Vogel612

@Takkat bin ich bei dir.

Takkat

wie schön!!! :)

Vogel612

@Astrum it's kind of like a split verb...

miteinander sprechen

miteinander is Adverb of whatever

and as this is a sublause, it goes to the end.

Takkat

miteinander ist ein schönes Wort!

Nehmt einander mit!

Vogel612

mit Einander --> m. E.

Astrum

07:44

@Vogel612 that's new to me, I'll have to remember this

Vogel612

you can treat something like that like a separable verb

Takkat

@Astrum don't m.E. == meines Erachtens

Vogel612

@Takkat ich war mich auch nicht ganz sicher, ob morgens jetzt klein muss....

Takkat

Wenn morgens der Postbote kommt, haben wir schon des Morgens die Ware.

^^glaube ich... aber diese Regeln sind mir ein Graus

Vogel612

WOHOOOOOO UNICOINS:

ich hab jetzt coole Einhorn-Animationen!

Takkat

07:59

<-- fühlt sich wie eine Einhorn-Animation

Vogel612

warum das denn?

Astrum

Charlie the unicorn...

Takkat

<-- will meine Schmusedecke!!!

2 hours ago, by Takkat

German Language gone wild

@Astrum Ha! Hier schon eine Frage zum Gebrauch von "wissen": german.stackexchange.com/questions/11212/…

\o/

Vogel612

woher ist das eigentlich?

Takkat

selbstgebaut, was sonst.

Astrum

08:04

"Hilfe wir wachsen" - 8m ago - 9000 views

Takkat

@Astrum lol

Astrum

dammit, I can't upvote still

I can't trust anything I see on the internet today

oh how I hate April 1st

Vogel612

6k votes, 0 answers..... gotta love it ;)

Takkat

;)

Astrum

09:09

Statt dessen wollen die Minister der Ukraine nicht-militärische Hilfe zusagen - what's with "nicht-militärische"?

Vogel612

same as always @Astrum...

non-military help

Astrum

oh, I didn't know you used "nicht" for non

Vogel612

and it's again a combined adjective like the one @ScottW explained to you ;)

Astrum

yeah, I was just unsure about the "nicht" part

Astrum

09:49

Der Begriff Smog setzt sich aus den englischen Wörtern für Rauch (Smoke) und Nebel (Fog) zusammen. - and that's new information to me as a native speaker

Vogel612

I knew it...

Astrum

I've learned a butt-ton of things about English from German...

our grammar lessons must have been really bad in elementary school

Takkat

HÄ? gramatick und ottokravie? brauch kein Mensch!

Vogel612

cries now

(six hours later) ARGH. How are these stupid microchips so durable?! All I want is to undo a massive industrial process with household tools!

falsche zahl...

Takkat

kakk - mich fertipt: ottogravieh

Vogel612

10:02

es ist doch so "einfach"

slowly backs

thinks to himself: "I should quit and never ever come back"

Takkat

@Vogel612 Ja, sandeln macht mir immer noch Spaß!

Astrum

I wish I could partake in your humor, but it's lost ot me

Takkat

you need to read out loud to understand.

<-- does this with his children's essays

Astrum

I have no idea what ottogravieh is supposed to be

Vogel612

orthografie.

Astrum

10:05

oh...

Vogel612

that's why it made me cringe.

Astrum

I thought it looked something like "otto gravy"

Takkat

@Vogel612 Fehler: Orthographie/Orthografie aber immer groß.

@Astrum Ja genau wie zunander Ottokonale Linien

Vogel612

cringes again

Takkat

<-- has to deal a lot with this kind of errors

Vogel612

10:08

holds his stomach, yearning for air

Takkat

schreibt man etwa heut Linjen?

Vogel612

@Takkat please, please, please, please, PLEASE don't do that.

it physically HURTS

Astrum

have fun with @Takkat , @Vogel612 you're being left alone with him now

to bed I go

Takkat

gute Nacht @Astrum

Astrum

although one very quick and easy question

Vogel612

10:12

thou shalt have good sleep ;)

Astrum

how do you "make" a bed in German?

Takkat

Betten machen - na klar!

Astrum

it's literal?!

Vogel612

yea...

man kann aber auch ein Bett bauen... nur macht man das nicht so häufig

Astrum

I hate making the bed =/

Takkat

10:13

Wie man sich bettet so liegt man.

Vogel612

wer hätts gedacht ;)

Astrum

ok, I'm going now

Vogel612

und wie man in den Wald ruft, so kommt's auch wieder raus

Astrum

see ya later!

Vogel612

n8

Astrum

10:14

Ô7

Vogel612

wow he learned it.

Ô7

Takkat

-Ô-

Takkat

11:39

0

Q: Let's get critical: Apr 2014 Site Self-Evaluation

We all love German Language Stack Exchange, but there is a whole world of people out there who need answers to their questions and don't even know that this site exists. When they arrive from Google, what will their first impression be? Let's try to look at this site through the eyes of someone w...