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clinch

01:57

Ketzerei! IRC > alles

shakthi

07:12

Guten Tag, Guten Morgen

DerPolyglott33

07:23

Hallo

shakthi

Hallo

DerPolyglott33

Woher kommst du?

shakthi

India

Sie ?

Ich lerne deutsch. Beginner :P

DerPolyglott33

Aus den Usa. Wie lange lernst du schon Deutsch?

shakthi

15 Tage..

DerPolyglott33

07:27

Dieser Chat ist für fortgeschrittenen Studenten.

shakthi

aww i dont get it

DerPolyglott33

This is for advanced students

shakthi

oh yeah, but i usually stay here. and watch everyone's communication.

i learn at home with rosetta stone and online books

DerPolyglott33

Stellst du den Deutschen hier Fragen?

shakthi

I dont ask anything, i say hello and basic sentences and so.

I just want a environment where people speak deutsch. kind of immersion.

DerPolyglott33

07:33

Ja, aber was nutzt es, wenn du es nicht sprichst?

du musst es auch sprechen

Nevik Rehnel

<--- puts on stereotypical indian accent

@shakthi he right dood

you aint gonna learn it if you aint gonna use it

shakthi

@DerPolyglott33 yeah, i am just starting to learn. its only been 15 days. I am in level 1 and reading grammar and vocabulary. i wish i learn quicker and talk to you people in deutsch ;)

@NevikRehnel i dont speak sentences. I am not so good at it :(

Nevik Rehnel

practise makes perfect

shakthi

I am in "Sie isst belegte brot und trinkt wasser"

DerPolyglott33

Du gehst zu ICQ u. suchst jmdn, mit dem du auf Deutsch sprechen kannst.

Nevik Rehnel

07:42

haha ICQ

DerPolyglott33

Ja

Nevik Rehnel

i thought icq was dead

DerPolyglott33

Nee

Es lebt noch

Nevik Rehnel

i think i havent used it in.... iunno, 5 years or whatever

ages

DerPolyglott33

@shakthi Wenn du es genau mit Deutschlernen nehmen willst, dann du es machen musst.

shakthi

07:45

@DerPolyglott33 i have to translate this, please talk in english for a while

@NevikRehnel What's ICQ?

DerPolyglott33

Ich lerne schon seit 14 Jahren Deutsch, aber ich mache noch Fehler. Eine tolle Sache, dass ich diese Webseite durch Zufall gefunden habe. Hier kann ich den gebürtigen Deutschen Grammatikfragen stellen. :)

Takkat

@shakthi pro-tip: open a second browser window with live Google translate to read this chat in both, German and English.

shakthi

@Takkat haha yeah. thats a value tip. I am using bing and google translators. Bing does a better job with large sentences than google.

Takkat

yeah. use Bing or any other onlne live translation.

They usually fail anyway.

DerPolyglott33

@shakthi Online-Übersetzung produziert kein gutes Deutsch, leider.

shakthi

07:50

@Takkat lol

I am in ICQ now, Danke alle.

DerPolyglott33

Such dir jmdn dort, mit dem du auf Deutsch sprechen kannst. Sprich kein Englisch! hihi

shakthi

Ich verde versuchen :)

DerPolyglott33

@shakthi Ich werde ES versuchen.**

Frag mich nicht wieso

Hihi

shakthi

haha ja, Danke ihnen :P

vielen dank :)

DerPolyglott33

Kein Ding, Mann

Astrum

07:57

hello world

DerPolyglott33

Moin astrum

Astrum

greetings

deshalb du mir nicht zustimmen wirst - how's this sentence check out? subordinate, of course

my head hurts

DerPolyglott33

Deshalb wirst.....

Astrum

I thought it creates a subclause

aw dammit

it doesn't

DerPolyglott33

Deshalb is not like 'wenn' that makes the verb go to the end of the sentence

Astrum

08:04

yeah, it doesn't create a subclause, I looked it up

DerPolyglott33

when its used the verb goes second

Astrum

I see where I went wrong

deshalb wirst du mir nicht zustimmen

DerPolyglott33

You ask Nevik if you're sentence is correct. :)

Astrum

I just can't remember if "zustimmen" needs genetive or acusative or something

I could, but he's probably busy

let's bug takkat today!

DerPolyglott33

lol

Astrum

08:05

@Takkat halllooooooooo

DerPolyglott33

yeah

zustimmen takes the dative

Ich stimme dir zu - i agree with you

Od. Das meine ich auch

Takkat

@Astrum o/

Astrum

oh yea, that's right, datative

alsways mix those two cases up because of other languages

Hiya @Takkat

deshalb wirst du mir nicht zustimmen - how's this sentence?

Takkat

Wir stimmen dem zu.

Wir stimmen auch dir zu!

Zustimmung verhindert Verstimmung.

^^zum Basteln.

Astrum

is it dass or daß? which one is "correct"?

DerPolyglott33

08:09

dass

daß is old fashioned

Takkat

Das 'ß' wurde in der letzten Rechtschreibreform dort abgeschafft. Nur in alten Büchern findet man noch daß.

Und wenn so alte Leute wie ich schreiben, kann es passieren, daß wir uns vertun.

Astrum

I see

Takkat

Uns wurde in der Grundschule das "daß" derart eingebläut, dass wir uns immer noch schwer tun.

DerPolyglott33

Takkat : Er drängt sich durch eine Gruppe von Menschen durch - kann man das "durch" zweimal benutzen?

Takkat

kann man, oder man sagt hindurch --> hindurchzwängen

aber es ist auch OK, wenn du das zweite durch weglässt.

DerPolyglott33

08:13

Kann man das im Sinne von 'he elbows himself...' übersetzen?

Takkat

Setzt das im Englischen voraus, dass man mit Gewalt drängelt?

DerPolyglott33

Ich habe es nachgeschlagen. Es ist ' sich durchdrängeln'. Kann man " s. durchdrängen" mit "s. durchdrängeln" wechseln?

Takkat

drängeln ist Umgangssprache.

DerPolyglott33

Ich verstehe.

Takkat

"Drängel doch nicht so!" ;)

DerPolyglott33

08:20

Er drängelt sich durch die Gruppe von Menschen im Park.

Takkat

ja, aber man würde wahscheinlich "Menschenmenge" und nicht "Gruppe von..." sagen. Gruppe ist viel kleiner.

DerPolyglott33

Axo.

Takkat

Menschengedränge

Er ging im Menschengedränge verloren

DerPolyglott33

@Takkat Axo. Ich habe auch dieses Wort gesehen, aber ich war mir darüber unsicher.

Nevik Rehnel

dat (73*) in my title bar

DerPolyglott33

08:24

He got lost in the crowd?

:)

Astrum

You guys have a funny translation for "there's nothing to fear", I'm assuming, right?

I'm sure it's not literal

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum well, that depends, haha

the literal translation (Es gibt nichts zu fürchten.) is acceptable, though might seem awkward/unidiomatic in certain contexts

it's fine in colloquial and general contexts though

Astrum

That's what I thought, but I know betetr than to go with a literal translation

are you kidding me?

DerPolyglott33

@NevikRehnel Was ist die Richtige?

Astrum

Well, here's the sentence I have

Nevik Rehnel

08:29

a little more colloquial would be "Es gibt nichts, wovor man sich fürchten müsste."

Astrum

Kernenergie hört gut für mich an. Es gibt nichts zu fürchten!

Takkat

Keine Angst!

Nevik Rehnel

Nur keine Panik

Keep Kalm and Kontinue the Kernenergie.

Astrum

Germans are such... pansies about Kernenergie

(no offense to you Germans in the room)

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum in such a direct context, the general translation would probably be "Dort/Da gibt es nichts zu fürchten."

where the usually local "da/dort" metaphorically refers to the topic of the previous sentence

Astrum

08:31

cool

Takkat

@Astrum wir sind während des Fallouts von Tschernobyl draußen spazieren gegangen, weil es so ein schöner Tag war...

Astrum

I've already been told

Takkat

...erst am Abend wurde gesagt, man soll das Haus nicht verlassen. :(

Nevik Rehnel

nice

that was before my time

Astrum

and mine

Nevik Rehnel

08:32

@Astrum there is also a difference that you guys have about 50% of your country's area unused where you can dump the nuclear waste and no one gives a shit

we, unfortunately, have neither the space nor the deserts to do so

DerPolyglott33

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen 'einen Spaziergang machen' u. "spazierengehen" ?

Takkat

Und die Kinder durften nicht im Sandkasten spielen, die Milch und Salat waren verseucht, und so weiter....

Nevik Rehnel

@DerPolyglott33 none

Astrum

What's Germany's plan, anyway? You're just gonna burn coal/oil/gas forever?

Eh, that's a fair point @NevikRehnel

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum there's this thing

people call it renewable energy

Takkat

08:33

Windkraft und Solarenergie sind hier groß im Kommen.

Nevik Rehnel

but i understand that america hasnt heard of it

DerPolyglott33

Nevik: Also gibt es keine richtige Übersetzung für " There's nothing to fear" ?

Nevik Rehnel

its rather new

Astrum

You saw the numbers from yesterday! how do you think you can manage that much space and money?

Nevik Rehnel

@DerPolyglott33 what Astrum used is fine. as i pointed out, in that context a leading "Da/Dort" would make it nicer

@Astrum 15% efficiency is zilch. that can be increased a lot. also, every house has a roof, no?

DerPolyglott33

08:34

@NevikRehnel Danke wieder!

Astrum

Even if a solar cell could transfer 100% of the energy we get from the sun, we'd still need 1,000,000 km^2 of space

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum plus, the sun doesnt shine at night

and we dont have full moons all the time

@Astrum naturally, solar cant be the sole solution

Astrum

I know, the number of 4.2 killowatthours per m^2 was an average over the entire day

Nevik Rehnel

as Takkat said, wind parks are being pushed as well. both forms of generation have the big problem of substantial output fluctuations, however

@Astrum the problem is that we need most our power when it's dark out

Astrum

lol, big batteries

Nevik Rehnel

08:36

so averages are not very useful

Astrum

really really big batteries

Nevik Rehnel

that said, storage technologies are being researched

have been for a while

but that stuff is difficult

o/ @Vogel612

GODDAMN THIS RATE LIMIT IS KILLING ME

i am typing too fast for this chat

Vogel612

@nevik lemme just read up...

Takkat

Optimale Energiesparmaßnahmen sind ein weiteres Ziel.

Astrum

nuclear fusion is the future... in 20 years

Nevik Rehnel

08:37

@Vogel612 quick, i'm apparently typing faster than one line per 2 seconds

@Astrum i doubt that it'll make a big impact very soon

Astrum

too much coffee

Nevik Rehnel

havent had any coffee today

Astrum

maybe you need some

Nevik Rehnel

:P

Astrum

I'm interested in going into plasma physics, now it's only a matter of getting into Princeton for grad school....

Nevik Rehnel

08:38

@Astrum also, we need solutions before "in 20 years", because by then oil is gonna be a real problem

Astrum

matter - pun intended

Nevik Rehnel

budum psh

DerPolyglott33

Ist "Stockton nach San Jose ist an 75 Kilometer" dasselbe wie " Stockton nach San Jose ist ungefähr 75 Kilometer" ?

Astrum

the joke goes - nuclear fusion is the technology of the future.... and always will be"

Takkat

an die == ungefähr

Nevik Rehnel

08:39

@DerPolyglott33 yes, but "an [die]" is rather colloquial

@Astrum lol, yeah

Astrum

aren't they building a huge fusion research site in France?

DerPolyglott33

@NevikRehnel Also ist" ungefähr" Hochdeutsch?

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum the currently biggest problem is that existing power transmission and distribution networks (aka power lines and transformer substations) cant handle the kind of decentralized and fluctuation power generation that renewables are introducing

@DerPolyglott33 yup

DerPolyglott33

@NevikRehnel Danke sehr!

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum note "huge" and "research" being key

afaik, no fusion plant has approach usefulness so far

Astrum

08:42

I honestly don't think renewable sources will be much better in 50 years, we'll see eventually

Nevik Rehnel

esp. because they're a fickle thing to run, and possibly quite dangerous when they fail

@Astrum considering the advances in the renewable technologies, i expect further big changes in the next one or two decades

Astrum

I think the main problem is money

Nevik Rehnel

the power network thing is a huge problem though, as it requires massive infrastructure changes

and who gonna pay for that

Vogel612

Well we have too much money either way... paying for greece, spain, italy, portugal and ireland..

but hey who cares about german debt..

Nevik Rehnel

@Vogel612 only that "we" arent probably gonna be paying for the power lines renewal

Astrum

08:44

I think solar is pretty useless, those numbers from the other day were depressing

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum looking at solar alone is pointless anyway

Vogel612

well @Astrum that's mainly due to the efficiency problems and the cost for solar panels (in CO2 respect)

Nevik Rehnel

and the fact that silicon is so hard to come by

Vogel612

water and wind win the race

Astrum

I've never actually checked out generation from wind energy and water

Nevik Rehnel

08:45

water is also great storage

even if those storages are really expensive to build, and only work if you have some sizeable hills around

Vogel612

water is pretty static energy.. look at china ;)

again it's not like "we" are gonna pay for that.. is it??

Nevik Rehnel

@Vogel612 indeed. showing what is possible when money and effort are no object

build biggest dam ever? dam(n) right!

Vogel612

pun strongly intended huh??

Nevik Rehnel

what gave it away :P

Vogel612

the brackets.. (if they are really called brackets in english)

can't differ between the english names for (){}[]...

all brackets..

Nevik Rehnel

08:48

afaik: brackets: [], parentheses: (), curly braces {}

Vogel612

rund, geschweift und eckig..

Nevik Rehnel

word

Vogel612

alles einfach Klammern...

Astrum

those big curly brackets are impossible for me to draw

Nevik Rehnel

und um der Verwirrung keinen abzutun wird Parenthese komplett anders verwendet als im Deutschen :D

@Astrum they're so easy, but i see most people struggling with them

Vogel612

08:49

@Astrum you mean those, who are to sum up multiple lines like in many ppt presentations?

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum to cheat: draw square bracket, add tick in the middle

Astrum

@NevikRehnel my artistic skill would be represented by {0} - the empty set

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum that's funny because {0} isnt empty

Astrum

it's not, but we call it the empty set!

Nevik Rehnel

well, you're wrong

Vogel612

08:50

{{0,0,0}, {drawing, shapes, filling}}

Nevik Rehnel

the empty set is {} or \emptyset

{0} is the set that contains 0

Astrum

really? I've been calling it an empty set all this time O.o

Vogel612

type [] emptyset = {};

Nevik Rehnel

well it's obvisouly not empty if you draw something into it

@Vogel612 no :P

Astrum

ahhhhh

I see, yeah, my bad

I like representing the set of zero with \mathbf 0

Nevik Rehnel

08:51

that's.... weird

but okay

Astrum

Hubbard does it all the time in his multivariate analysis text

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum also shouldnt that be \mathbb

bold fonts are generally used for vectors (a notation which i absolutely hate)

Astrum

bb does what again?

I can never remember

Nevik Rehnel

bb is the one you use for the number sets

R, Q, Z

Astrum

erm, I honestly can't remember

Vogel612

08:53

I really am glad I don't understand a friggin word..

's that latech?

Nevik Rehnel

yah

Astrum

ah, \mathbf does bold, that would be the zero vector, and

\mathbb does the blackboard font

right

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum Blackboard bold

oh

you already found it haha

Astrum

Hubbard uses weird notation though

Vogel612

Skills[] myskills = {{guessing, 9001}, {deduction, 8500}, {reasoning, 8000}, {anything else, 0}}

Nevik Rehnel

08:54

his name is hubbard, what do you expect

@Vogel612 i see what you did with guessing

Vogel612

@Nevik guess what... i guessed you would.

Nevik Rehnel

@Vogel612 IT'S OVER 9000!!!!

Astrum

partial derivative is given by D_i f(\vec{a})

instead of \partial _i f(\vec{a})

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum lazy typist im sure

Astrum

I hate when books deviate from standard practice, makes things hard

Nevik Rehnel

08:56

yup

Astrum

it's like when physics books call it "Hermantian" and math uses "Self-adjoint"

Nevik Rehnel

that's the result of science not having laws :D

Astrum

lol

Hermatian*

Nevik Rehnel

well that one's clear enough because both terms are usually explained when introduced

also i think you mean Hermitian

(french name)

Astrum

yeah, spelling is not my area

Vogel612

08:58

Glad i understand neither..

Astrum

@Vogel612 linear algebra can be a bit... boring at times

Vogel612

two physics students and a lost IT-Trainee...

Nevik Rehnel

@Vogel612 we aint doctors

Astrum

neither of us are physicist* XD

Vogel612

better ???

Nevik Rehnel

08:59

;)

but yes, neither of us is actually a physics student

Astrum

maybe I can earn that title in..... 10 years

Vogel612

@Astrum that would have been physicists or not??

Nevik Rehnel

it was just my minor subject during my bachelor's degree

@Vogel612 yes

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