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Gigili

06:52

I have the question ready to ask, it needs you to become a CW question @Takkat

Nevik Rehnel

@Gigili that feels like discrimination :P

Gigili

Heh

Astrum

haha

Gigili

Hello @NevikRehnel

Nevik Rehnel

moin

Gigili

06:58

Well then, I should get going, I have an exam and I don't have much time to study!

Ciao

Astrum

@NevikRehnel what does "Schoß" really mean? I've heard it mean like... a million different things

Nevik Rehnel

it just means lap, @Astrum

Astrum

even as a "classy" slang for um.... female parts O.o

Nevik Rehnel

@Gigili byebye :D

Astrum

it also mentioned something about a coat

Nevik Rehnel

06:59

o.O

Astrum

yeah, I thought that was pretty weird

Nevik Rehnel

can you show me?

Astrum

sure, one sec

Nevik Rehnel

using "lap" for the pubic area is a normal euphemism though

Astrum

dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/Scho%C3%9F.html

Nevik Rehnel

07:03

i dont see any coat :P

Astrum

loo

"skirt" "shirttail"

Rock is a skirt, so Schoß must mean something different

Nevik Rehnel

that's quite different from a coat :P

the skirt meaning is local to austria, and might be rare even now. schoß for shirttail is very rare/unusual

Astrum

yeah, I suppose, I'm pretty sure one of the dictionaries had a picture of a guy in a coat though....

Nevik Rehnel

so youre probably not gonna run into either of those meanings, unless you translate poetry or old texts

@Astrum these are the relevant meanings: dict.leo.org/ende/…

:P

Astrum

alright, I see

Nevik Rehnel

07:07

the more meanings a dictionary has about one word, the more distrustful you should be. they usually have rather specific contexts in such a case

Astrum

aside from propositions...

the entry for "bei" is just evil

Nevik Rehnel

well they have their contexts as well, but dictionaries are usually not good at showing them

Astrum

wiktionary gives examples, sometimes

Nevik Rehnel

yeah

Astrum

but still not so easy to understand what all the words actually mean

Nevik Rehnel

07:10

without knowing when they are applicable and appropriate, knowing words is pointless :P

Astrum

yup

could you correct something for me, really quickly?

let me finish up what I'm doing first though

Nevik Rehnel

sure

Astrum

knabbern - the k is silent, or voiced?

Nevik Rehnel

voiced

Gigili

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Q: Resources for learning German

Since they have same questions on different language learning SE websites(resources for learning Russian), I'd like to write one for German language since it's a great idea to have all kinds of resources in one place. This is a specifically created Community Wiki which gathers resources for lear...

resources

There you go @Takkat

@NevikRehnel As in Pferd where P is pronounced?

Nevik Rehnel

07:15

yes

knabbern could be rendered as chnubbun in english

er wait

hm maybe cnubbun

it's a normal k sound like in chemistry, not a tsh sound like in china

Gigili

Er wait... What kind of sentence is that

Er wartet

Astrum

Ich hoffe, dass das Leben geht dir gut (erm, denke, dass dieser Satz keinen Sinn macht).

Ich habe die Nachrichten zu lesen besucht. es scheint mir, dass sie ist immer noch leicht zu schwer. Ich "stellte" ein neu Ziel. Wenn ich die Nachrichten am drei Monaten lesen kann, dann werde ich glücklich sein.

Hier in Amerika haben wir schlecht Wetter. Ich hoffe, dass mein Internet wird den Sturm überleben. Ohne es, kann ich nicht sein! @NevikRehnel so... how bad did I mess up?

Nevik Rehnel

somewhat :P

let's take it apart. what did you want to say with the first sentence?

Astrum

oh well, I tried at least that counts for something

um

Nevik Rehnel

yes

Astrum

07:20

"if hope that everything is going well with you (I think that this seteence makes no sense)

So, I kinda knew this one was pretty bad

Nevik Rehnel

we would probably just say "Ich hoffe, es geht dir gut." in german (i hope you are well)

Astrum

I was kinda going after the "how's life treating you" feel, maybe there's not really a translation though

Nevik Rehnel

i cant think of another phrase that's commonly used in regular written language. anything more elaborate seems to be associated with higher language registers, like official letters or poetry

yeah that doesn't translate so well

Astrum

alright, so how about "denke, dass dieser Satz keinen Sinn macht"?

Nevik Rehnel

that one's correct :D

well you're missing a subject ("ich") but other than that

Astrum

07:23

and the next part

Nevik Rehnel

colloquially, the reader can augment that

Astrum

but I thought that was legal!

oh, o

ok*

Nevik Rehnel

we generally dont, even colloquially, leave out the subject pronoun as much as in english. but no one will kill you for it in a non-formal setting ;)

okay, next sentence. you probably meant "tried to read the paper"?

Astrum

well, news in general

but yeah

Nevik Rehnel

ah okay, then Nachrichten is fine. news paper = Zeitung.
however, try = "versuchen"

"besuchen" = to visit :D

Astrum

07:26

ah, dammit

that was just a word mess up

how's the rest of that sentence?

Nevik Rehnel

happens :) the rest of it is fine

in the next sentence you messed up the word order a bit

Astrum

which part?

Nevik Rehnel

you can say either
"Es scheint mir, sie ist immer noch etwas zu schwer." or
"Es scheint mir, dass sie immer noch etwas zu schwer ist."

in a "dass" subclause, the verb moves to the end

Astrum

really?!

Nevik Rehnel

yes

Astrum

07:29

"Ich denke, dass du bist verrückt" should be "ich denke, dass du verrückt bist"?

wow

Nevik Rehnel

yes

Astrum

I never knew that

Nevik Rehnel

:)

Astrum

ok thanks

and how about the last two sentences or so?

Nevik Rehnel

in that sentence also, "leicht zu schwer" is technically correct, by stylistically awkward because "leicht" can also mean simple.

"etwas zu schwer" is more common

or "ein bisschen zu schwer" (ein bisschen = a bit)

Astrum

07:30

I was gonna put etwas, but decided against it, because I thought it was a bit weird XD

Nevik Rehnel

:D

Astrum

that kinda clears it up

Nevik Rehnel

okay the next sentence i dont get at all

oh now i see

Astrum

"I set a new goal"

Nevik Rehnel

you set a new goal?

Astrum

07:31

yea

Nevik Rehnel

ha, literal translation to the rescue

in German, setting a goal is "ein Ziel setzen"

Astrum

I thought putting "stellte" in quation marks would help, if I used the wrong phrase

Nevik Rehnel

and you forgot to decline the adjective "neu" :)

so give it another shot

Astrum

ich setze ein neue Zeil?

Nevik Rehnel

neues*, Ziel is neuter

Astrum

07:34

alright, I see

Nevik Rehnel

oh i see you might have thought of the definite article

Astrum

I pasted that phrase into my notepad, so I can remember

Nevik Rehnel

adjectives decline differently for definite and indefinite articles

Astrum

....

Nevik Rehnel

"das neue Ziel" but "ein neues Ziel" (in this case, both forms are the same for nominative and accusative)

Astrum

07:35

I hope you guys aren't too anal about these little mistakes

Nevik Rehnel

your meaning is understandable, but i think you do wanna learn it ;)

Astrum

lol, I'm having a difficult time even putting sentences together right now

anything beyond simple ones make me stop and think

Nevik Rehnel

i think you're making progress. and at least you're trying

Astrum

I tried to get outside of my comfort zone for this one

Nevik Rehnel

hehe

alright, next sentence

Astrum

07:37

thanks, I think I'm making slow progress too, just slower than I would like

Nevik Rehnel

you probably meant "if i can read the news in three months..." ?

Astrum

yes

Nevik Rehnel

then you messed up the preposition , it's "in drei Monaten"

Astrum

am = ?

Nevik Rehnel

am is used for specific days, "am Montag" or "am 3. Dezember"

Astrum

07:39

ok, so I see,

Nevik Rehnel

as weeks, months or years are more time spans than points in time, we use "in" for them; additionally, in this case you explicitly state a time span starting now

Astrum

in is like English in this case

Nevik Rehnel

yes

Astrum

Wenn ich die Nachrichten am drei Monaten lesen kann, dann werde ich glücklich sein. - I wasn't sure how to say "I'll be happy"

I'm assuming there's some fixed way of saything this

Nevik Rehnel

we also use relative points in time without preposition, like in english. e.g. "I'm going there next week" = "Ich werde nächste Woche dort hingehen."

glücklich sein is actually applicable in this case

so replace the "am" with "in" and you're good :)

Astrum

07:41

I'm surprised

but that's nice to hear

Nevik Rehnel

:D

Astrum

Hier in Amerika haben wir schlecht Wetter. Ich hoffe, dass mein Internet wird den Sturm überleben. Ohne es, kann ich nicht sein!

do I always have to use "dass" for a sub clause?

Nevik Rehnel

the next sentence is fine colloquially, but for standard german you forgot declining "schlecht" again (Wetter is neuter, and without article is the same form as with indefinite article)

you dont always have to use "dass", but it's one of the most common forms of subclauses

Astrum

I'm not sure I understand

Nevik Rehnel

it's the equivalent of the english "that" subclause, but you can leave out the "that" more often in english (this is also related to the face that we tend to have longer sentences in german than in english)

Astrum

07:44

schlechtes?

Nevik Rehnel

"wir haben schlecht Wetter" is fine colloquially, but correctly it'd be "wir haben schlechtes Wetter"

yup

stupid markup parser...

Astrum

ha

Nevik Rehnel

and the final sentence is fine except for the word order in the subclause, which you know by now ;)

Astrum

Ich hoffe, dass mein Internet den Sturm überleben wird .

Nevik Rehnel

yup :D

Astrum

07:46

cool

so aside from a couple little mistakes, and one big one, I think I didn't do so bad

Nevik Rehnel

indeed

Astrum

So yeah, I've been trying to read Deutsche Welle

Nevik Rehnel

ah

Astrum

Listened to a video, I understood maybe 10 seconds out of 60

Nevik Rehnel

practise makes perfect! also, news might be a little difficult to start with

Astrum

07:50

"real" german sentences are much less obvious, grammar wise

yeah, but where else can I go?

Nevik Rehnel

most german tv stations have some of their programming online, including non-news stuff

lemme see if i can find something

Astrum

typically I'll read maybe a paragraph or two, and pick up 4-5 new words, and then try to watch the video

what's the difference between "gewöhnlich" and "alltäglich"?

Nevik Rehnel

alltäglich means "everyday" as in "everyday traffic" or the likes; gewöhnlich just means "usual, common, normal, not special"

the former has a slight reference to something being related to a normal daily routine, while the latter is independent of times and habits like that

Astrum

so, you couldn't say "sie ist eine tägliches Mädchen" but you can say "sie ist eine gewöhnliches Mädchen"?

Nevik Rehnel

yeap

Astrum

08:01

why do I feel that you use a lot of verbs, is english the same way?

maybe it is....

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum hmmm, if you want you can try Wissen macht Ah, a knowledge/science show aimed at mostly at kids

it thus uses easier sentences and they don't talk too fast

Astrum

I'll check it out right now

Nevik Rehnel

and if you already know some of the stuff they're talking about, that might help you too :D

Astrum

I hope there's some stuff written down

or is it all spoken?

Nevik Rehnel

there might, i only checked if they have the episodes on the website

Astrum

08:03

reminds me about a chapter I need to study on fixed-axis rotation, gah

Nevik Rehnel

haha

there are a lot of episodes, so you can just check out another if you dont like that one :P

Astrum

that's always weird to me. you guys have africans too

hah

Nevik Rehnel

lol

Astrum

when we think of German, I'm sure nobody expects to see black people

or Turks O.o

hahahah, I feel like I'm in primary school again =D

Nevik Rehnel

they we have no small amount of foreigners and their descendants :P

just like any place

Astrum

08:09

I won't lie, although I consider myself fairly liberal on most things, I'm not so sure having an influx of uneducated, poor people is a good thing... but that's a hot topic in the US, and probably in Germany as well

Nevik Rehnel

surveillance is currently a bigger topic here

from what i can gather

i dont follow the news and stuff

Astrum

well, I can understand that

something that's given me problems

how do you say "Have fun!"?

like, for example

"I've gotta go to work... "alright, have fun!"

Nevik Rehnel

have fun is a fixed phrase, we say "Viel Spaß!"

<-- tries not to make a doge meme reference

Astrum

not familar....

Nevik Rehnel

thats why im not making it :P

Astrum

08:17

Flügel can mean grand piano?

Nevik Rehnel

up

er

yup

Astrum

Teufels Küche - wtf is this?

Nevik Rehnel

devil's kitchen?

oh you might mean the phrase "in Teufels Küche kommen"?

Astrum

Wie kommt man in Teufels Küche?
Warum heißt es "Himmel, Arsch und Zwirn"?
Warum freut man sich wie ein Schneekönig?
Was ist eine Konfirmandenblase?

I understand the words, but not the meaning

Nevik Rehnel

lulz

all of those are phrases or parts of sayings

Astrum

08:23

I've got no idea what this is

oh

I'm particularly interested in "Himmel, Arsh und zwirn"

Nevik Rehnel

hahaha

it's a curse that doesnt use the name of the lord or jesus

basically a "don't abuse the name or your lord" kind of evasion thing

Astrum

this is so corny, I hope nobody actually says this O.o

Nevik Rehnel

at least i think that's probably what it was created for

i dont think ive ever met anyone in real life who said it

Astrum

and who's the snow king?

Nevik Rehnel

it's usually use as an exclamation or interjection in that specific form and order, though. so it's easy to recognize as a curse or curse-like expression

i dont know who the snow king is, but "sich freuen wie ein Schneekönig" means to be disproportionately happy about something

it might also include a certain measure of Schadenfreude

Astrum

08:26

oh, my favorite German word =D

Nevik Rehnel

the term is probably derived from a fairy tale or the like

many of such phrases are

Astrum

Schadenfreude!

Nevik Rehnel

haha

one of the things that you dont have a word for in english :P

Astrum

I know, that's why I like it so much

and I sometimes have Schadenfreude

Nevik Rehnel

@Astrum de.wiktionary.org/wiki/sich_freuen_wie_ein_Schneek%C3%B6nig

note the Übersetzungen (trnslations) section

Astrum

08:29

yeah, neber heard those phrases in my life

never*

Nevik Rehnel

haha

ive heard "pleased as punch" before

Astrum

you must listen to a lot of English, because in the entire 19 years I've been hearing English, not once have I heard it

Nevik Rehnel

it has been a while and i dont know where or in what situation, haha

it might have been one of my english teachers, or somewhere on the web

Astrum

life must be hard when you don't know English

something like 50% of the internet is written in it

Nevik Rehnel

german websites are the next most frequent after english though

so it's not that bad ;)

Astrum

08:34

"cosine ist regelmäßig" does that make sense?

Nevik Rehnel

nope

Astrum

In einer knappen halben Stunde beantworten Shary und Ralph mehr Fragen als sich andere an einem ganzen Schultag stellen - can I ask why we need "sich"?where's the reflexive verb?

Nevik Rehnel

it's "sich Fragen stellen" in this case. while "jdm. Fragen stellen" means to ask someone [else] questions, "sich Fragen stellen" means to wonder about things

literally, ask oneself questions

Astrum

►

why does his German sound... so bad?

Nevik Rehnel

he might have had a bottle of wine or three before that haha

Astrum

08:41

hahaha

His German sounds so lazy and... not very sexy

Nevik Rehnel

well he also has a regional accent

lol

Astrum

where was he from?

Nevik Rehnel

that's how most german sounds :P

Astrum

I forgot

Nevik Rehnel

i dont honestly know.

Astrum

08:42

but your news reporters speak sexy German! I wanna speak like them!

Holstein

Nevik Rehnel

well news reporters are trained to speak standard german and pronounce very clearly

so you cant really use them as a model :P

Astrum

My German friend speaks very similar ot them

maybe he's just doing that for me, though...

Nevik Rehnel

could be

i speak much more standard german when im talking to someone who does as well, or doesnt know german too well

Astrum

He lives in Baden Wurttemberg

Nevik Rehnel

btw planck's german might also sound non-sexy cause he's old :P

Astrum

08:45

that could be the case, everything becomes unsexy when you're old =(

Nevik Rehnel

haha

Astrum

I couldn't find a peice where Einstein was talking in German

only in English

and his English was... pretty lame

Nevik Rehnel

he's austrian, of course his english is lame

have you heard schwarenegger :P

Astrum

I think I can learn to speak better German than he could English. If only I could figure this "physics" thing out...

Einstein wasn't Austrian =O

you're thinking of Schrödinger or Boltzmann

Nevik Rehnel

hm, indeed. he was born not that far from here

Astrum

08:48

Ulm!

Nevik Rehnel

he did live in austria for a while though

Astrum

I wanted to visit Beethoven's apartment in Vienna

part of the reason I want to learn German is to be able to read all of these major scientific works in the original.

Nevik Rehnel

ha, that's quite an ambition

Astrum

well, not ALL of them, but some of the ones that are relevant to my field

and plus, there's ton of work in physics coming from Germany, even today. It's the second most used language in science

so, I think it's beneficial to know it to some degree of fluency.

Nevik Rehnel

everyone i know publishes in english though

at least if it's stuff of general relevance and not particularly aimed at a german audience

Astrum

08:55

but it looks good on an application to Princeton or MIT grad school =D

Nevik Rehnel

that's true

Astrum

part of the reason I'd like to spend time at a German or Austrian university. Eh, we'll see

Nevik Rehnel

anyway, i gotta work on my thesis. approaching the end, finally

see you later @Astrum

Astrum

see ya, I was just about to say I had to leave too

funny timing

alright, thanks for the help

good luck

bye!

Em1

09:16

@Astrum "Mit ihrem Kopf in seinem Schoß, lies er vor Glück das Lenkrad los."

Takkat

09:52

@Gigili Good question - made it CW on your request. Are there any answers to existing questions we could take to fill the TOC?

Oh and then there are some broken links in the question body - need to be filled.

OregonGhost

10:12

Moin @Takkat, frohes Neues ;)

Takkat

10:23

Moin @OregonGhost auch von mir ein gutes Neues :)

OregonGhost

Und moin @Gigili :)

Gigili

Guten Morgen, du auch!

Takkat

Three "Old Hats" in one room \o/

Gigili

@Takkat Ich sehe keine toten Links

Takkat

> [Both free and commercial resources are allowed][3], but make sure to include a note if they are. Remember the [rules about self-promotion][4]. Include also if registration is required.

Gigili

10:31

Aw!

Takkat

> [post a meta question][2],

Gigili

Those broken links!

I'm on it

Takkat

They need a link - the Meta should be easiest ;)

Gigili

Well, I can remove the links for now, we can add them up later

I can't be bothered to find related meta posts

Takkat

They should be links to meta.so

I believe we don't have such rules (yet)

Takkat

12:57

@Gigili: any reason you removed the links I added to your question?

Takkat

13:07

Also, I am a bit concerned about possibly resulting very big list answers such as german.stackexchange.com/a/9536/23 - should we just link to the master question on books: german.stackexchange.com/questions/620/…?

Gigili

16:51

@Takkat Oh, did I?

Takkat

@Gigili you did - i already restored them ;)

Gigili

I didn't notice you edited the question, it was open in my browser

@Takkat Sorry!

Takkat

yeah edits on CW questions are rather unnoticeable...

Nevik Rehnel

18:00

needs more Git

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