Chat of Things

Helmar

00:00

Anyways I'd say we could activate it for the start.

Phew mortarboard

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@Helmar Do you mean a Ticker Feed?

Gilles

wow the site is really plagued with questions that are too broad

it seems everyone wants to ask questions that cover a broad topic all at once

that's not good

questions should be about specific problems, especially during the private beta

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Post like these: iot.stackexchange.com/questions/131/… Are just asking for too much info.

Gilles

00:28

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Q: The Real Essential Questions of Every Beta

The blog post Seven Essential Meta Questions of Every Beta gets linked to prominently from every beta's meta. However, this blog post is somewhat inaccurate and misdirects new users. In almost every beta, the site design question, for example, gets asked and undergoes a fair bit of discussion eve...

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^^^^ Everybody please read this

It represents experience from the couple of hundred betas of Stack Exchange sites that have already taken place

tbm0115

00:47

@HenryWHHackv2.0 In regards to the linked post, I was asking if I should edit it to drill down specifically to ZigBee and Z-Wave, similarly to the question about WiFi vs Bluetooth

Gilles

@tbm0115 Most importantly, you should narrow it down to a particular type of device or environment.

‘Do some signals work better long-range and some better in "noisy" environments?’ is a decent question on its own, already a bit on the broad side.

tbm0115

Okay, I'll edit it once I get home

Henry WH Hack v2.0

01:47

@goobering Welcome! :)

goobering

@HenryWHHackv2.0 Howdo.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

It's Howdy.

I think.

goobering

Depends if you're in Glasgow or Texas I suppose.

Just getting the lay of the land! Interesting, if pretty hand wavey, questions popping up on the main board.

Henry WH Hack v2.0

02:05

I wonder why this room took so long to be created?

@Videonauth What's your review on the site?

I meant: What do you think about the site?

bravokeyl

03:44

Hey all

Henry WH Hack v2.0

03:55

Hi

IoT meta

07:18

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Q: I would like to propose a tag for Philips Hue

Finally we've got a chance to have a site for this long-standing out of scope topic! Thanks guys! I would like to propose the creation of a "philips-hue" tag. While it's a very specific vendor-related tag, there are many Hug devices in the world, so probably many visitors will benefit from it.

discussion tags

IoT meta

08:52

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Q: Wi-Fi vs. Wireless Tags

While wireless and Wi-Fi do not mean the same (one could reasonably consider wireless as a hypernym of Wi-Fi), they are often used as synonyms. This poses a certain problem for our emerging taxonomy. Either we edit posts tagged with either with prejudice and make sure the tag wifi is only used f...

discussion tags

bravokeyl

09:14

@Helmar , you around

?

Ghanima

@Gilles yeah, you're right. And even more so people are reluctant to VTC them. There are questions posted yesterday that have collected just two or three votes to close.

bravokeyl

@Gilles, @Ghanima yep, too many questions on security, communication which are too broad.

Atleast they should try to point the problem that they are facing instead of asking how to architect a complete system overall.

Ghanima

09:39

@bravokeyl then I guess more comments are in order for those who did not join chat.

bravokeyl

yep

Helmar

10:04

@bravokeyl now I am

bravokeyl

I posted my opinion wifi and wireless tags on meta

Helmar

@bravokeyl I saw it

Technically I completely agree.

The problem is that in my experience people tend to use wifi colloquially for all things wireless

bravokeyl

Yep, you are correct, but there is hope to get differentiation as these techonolgy usage emerges.

BTW Do we need personal-project tag

?

IoT meta

1

Q: When is it acceptable to copy edit a tag wiki excerpt and description from other SE site?

So there is this initiative about Keeping tags clean from start. I think this includes adding tag descriptions and excerpts as soon as possible. There will be tags, there are tags which are already presented on other SE site. So in what circumstances should someone copy edit this tag informatio...

discussion tags retagging

Ghanima

@Helmar thanks for the nice meta post on the issue

Helmar

10:17

@bravokeyl No, we don't in my view.

Ghanima

@bravokeyl not really, I'd say

bravokeyl

Got it.

Helmar

10:38

Btw who is approving tag wikis right now? SE Staff?

communication seems awfully broad

Also, we should make alexa an synonym of amazon-echo

Ghanima

@Helmar I have the feeling that they are not approved but just come into existance

@Helmar ah meh, we can't :(

Helmar

@Ghanima Yeah, no rep, no voters, so just via meta and mod (SE) support

bravokeyl

@Helmar yes, SE staff, I see that if they are approving it based on the wikipedia definition or just considering defs which are not entirely wrong.

Anyways tag wiki or guidances always need iterations

I suggested coap yesterday and it's approved, I feel that it's just a wikipedia or origin web definition to it.

Ghanima

10:54

@bravokeyl ok, I stand corrected

IoT meta

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Q: You have the power. Use your close votes!

We already have post regarding regular votes (Vote Early, Vote Often (Seriously)), but I want to cast a special light on close votes. Private beta is about making the scope of the site more clear. Thus, trying to close questions you think are not a good fit is essential. Don't hesitate to vote t...

discussion site-scope vote-to-close

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Helmar

@bravokeyl Of course they do. I only suggest a few excerpts now. The full wikis have to grow. They are also not as important as the excerpts due to their lower visibility

Helmar

11:13

Why can't we edit meta posts? I can do it on ELU.meta, why not here?

Is it a private beta thing?

bravokeyl

I think it's a beta thing.

Korean SE is on public beta and it doesn't allow edits on meta site too.

Helmar

That's annoying not to be able to even tag edit meta stuff.

@Ghanima can you add the tag "chat" to your chat room name question?

Ghanima

11:31

@Helmar done

IoT meta

11:42

2

Q: Essential questions #4: site elevator pitch / tag line

According to The Real Essential Questions of Every Beta one of the essential questions private beta is to establish our tag line. This site's elevator pitch. I will not include a suggestion in the question itself but just ask everyone who has an idea to post an answer that can be voted on.

discussion

Mark Yisri

11:53

So the name was decided?

Henry WH Hack v2.0

This is the default name for the room.

;)

Ghanima

@MarkYisri no not really, this room "just appeared"

Henry WH Hack v2.0

@Ghanima That was suppose to happen but it took long to do so.

Ghanima

yepp, but we could still have it our way

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I know a mod can change the name of the room and customize it.

Ghanima

12:04

but there's no concensus on another name yet, or maybe meta is not that active yet. No need to rush things

Henry WH Hack v2.0

User number 777 is the lucky user (Because in the Linux world 777 means full privileged) LOL!

We have the 222 user now.

IoT meta

0

Q: Serious problem with chat

I opened a gallery room to look at it, and this is what the request access banner looks like: I don't think that's supposed to happen. You have to select the text just to see it.

bug chat

Gilles

12:44

@Helmar It's a matter of reputation. You need to have the edit privilege, there are no suggested edits on meta.

bravokeyl

Ah!

Henry WH Hack v2.0

I already knew this but: Why?

Gilles

@HenryWHHackv2.0 because the SE developers didn't consider it useful

Henry WH Hack v2.0

Ah!

Gilles

I'm sure it's been discussed on Meta Stack Exchange

Henry WH Hack v2.0

12:53

Where is this guy:

When you need him.

@IoTmeta I wonder who VTC that post?

There are may things to look forward to:
Our first 10k user
Our first post with 100 upvotes
Our first Diamond Moderator
Our first year
Our first Spam
Our first Troll
Our first Suspended User
and etc.

Ghanima

13:14

@HenryWHHackv2.0 we could speed up that suspension thing, if you insist

;)

Henry WH Hack v2.0

No

bravokeyl

I think spam will be the winner here

IoT meta

15:36

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Q: Are "how do I build X?" questions on-topic?

A few recent questions have asked about how a specific IoT device should be constructed, like so: How could I create an LPG indicator? It's almost certain that these questions will be too broad, but it's worth considering whether these are actually on-topic at all - are these questions real...

discussion site-scope

IoT meta

20:41

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Q: Protocol comparisions

We currently have two questions that are essentially asking for protocol comparisons. One is already closed and fails to garner reopen votes even after a edits, the other stands at three close votes. Difference Between ZigBee and Z-Wave? When to use Wi-Fi over Bluetooth or vice versa in an IoT ...

discussion site-scope

Helmar

The tag hardware is useless, isn't it?

Ghanima

@Helmar sounds way to generic to be of any use

Helmar

Oh I was looking for you @Ghanima can you change this to site-scope, even if it's closed. meta.iot.stackexchange.com/questions/35/…

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Ghanima

@Helmar done

Helmar

@Ghanima thx

Is it ok to post questions where I already know the answer when we are in beta?

On the one hand I'm essentially letting people research what I already know, on the other hand the question might be a good fit.

Aurora0001

20:56

@Helmar answering your own question is ok on other SE sites, so I assume there's no problem doing it

anonymous2

@Helmar I'm a nobody, but I would say absolutely! Asking the question and answering yourself, provided you are creating quality material, is definitely valid.

@Aurora0001 FGITW. :)

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 shame I never get a chance to do that on most questions I plan to answer... always beaten by 2 or 3 minutes!

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Lol, know the feeling... <groans>

Ghanima

@Helmar self answers are always ok on SE (so I would think)

@Aurora0001 multiple answers are also fine (actually wanted that is)

anonymous2

@Helmar, Third time pays for all. You've got three votes for.

Aurora0001

20:59

@Ghanima the trouble is what I've written is pretty much a duplicate of what someone else writes (at least on SO where I usually answer) so 2 identical posts are just a waste

anonymous2

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Q: What is FGITW and SCITE?

I only read Meta every so often but I've seen lots of talk about SCITE and FGITW. I have no idea what these are! Can someone please define and explain these abbreviations?

discussion fastest-gun terminology

Helmar

Considering the current community size that's a ringing endorsement :)

anonymous2

@Helmar Yes, sir!

Ghanima

@Aurora0001 yeah, that's true

I am slow in answering too, so I know the feeling

Aurora0001

And as soon as I get online, eager to post some answers... no-one posts any questions on IoT

I might try and come up with some questions to create a bit of activity

Ghanima

21:01

@Aurora0001 yeah, questions died down quite fast

which is probably not a good thing in private beta

Aurora0001

nope, but there are a few people who seem to keep coming back which is a good sign

Helmar

@Ghanima We also shot down a lot. Sensibly and rightly so, but we closed 20 out of 46

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Yep.

@Helmar Yep.

Helmar

That's English.SE levels in certificate season

Where all sorts of learners stumble in right before the exams

Aurora0001

I wonder if there are any stats on how many questions get closed in other private betas

would be interesting to see if IoT questions are particularly bad

or whether we're just grumpy and close a lot

Helmar

21:04

We are in private beta, invite only by committed users. Users who saw the examples they committed on. I expected better questions to be honest.

Aurora0001

@Helmar absolutely, you would expect that Stack Exchange users would know if their question is incredibly broad and tweak it

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but apparently not

anonymous2

Lol, that's why I haven't posted any questions.

Say, anyone have any idea where a chap could get a base in IoT? I'd love to be contributing things on the questions and answers level because I love the principle, but I have so little RL experience that I can't... :(

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Aurora0001

@anonymous2 in the same boat here; I'm really interested but I don't actually have all that much knowledge on the subject

Ghanima

@Helmar btw and wrt to ELU, how difficult is it with all the Muricans discussing about what English is right and which is not ;)

@Aurora0001 I wouldn't worry too much, it's us defining the scope of the site

Aurora0001

@Ghanima fair point, let's just make sure we leave something that is on-topic!

Ghanima

21:10

@Aurora0001 yeah, we better figure that out soon ;)

@anonymous2 and again I know the feeling

Helmar

@Ghanima Oh that's a clash almost every enthusiastic newcomer to that site has at some point. The realization that there are actually several variations of English.

I find that the Murians are not the problem, as always it's the most opinionated people that start the problems. That's a universal characteristic people all over the globe have :D

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Aurora0001

Also, anyone know if the minimum rep for privileges will go up when we exit the private beta?

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Yes, sir.

Aurora0001

On other beta sites it looks like close votes are 500 rep minimum, so will anyone who fails to reach that before the end just lose the privilege?

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Yes sir, again.

Helmar

21:17

@anonymous2 I'll post a question of which I at least know how and where to get the answer. You can have a look at it and you can dive in if you want to. It's related of a previous project of mine and has a very approachable setting.

Ghanima

@Aurora0001 I did, but I forgot

Aurora0001

If so, I'd better get earning some rep!

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Me too... boo hoo... :)

Ghanima

@Aurora0001 yep, and even worse is the jump from beta to graduated

Aurora0001

that's 500 to 3k right?

anonymous2

21:18

@Aurora0001 On graduation?

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 yeah

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Right again, then.

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 well, bye bye privileges then for me!

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 Nonsense. Graduation is far enough away that you have time to build up the rep. Max rep for a day is 200; 3000 / 200 = 15... ;-)

Aurora0001

@anonymous2 that's if you can answer/ask enough questions!

anonymous2

21:22

@Aurora0001 Yes, that's an issue...

Aurora0001

I sadly lack the expertise for a lot of the questions

Also do you think a question like "How can I tell if my IoT devices are infected with the Mirai worm?" would be good or perhaps too much of a duplicate of this?

anonymous2

@Aurora0001 I'll let others share their opinions, but personally, I think duplicates are not a bad thing at this point in time. They produce more good content, they give more demonstrations of what a good question should look like, etc. What we need to be watching out for is questions that demonstrate a less than professional quality and questions that will be out of scope.

Helmar

@Aurora0001 I think it would be a lot better.

A known worm can be addressed more specifically than just rogue device

Aurora0001

Thanks for your opinions; I'll formulate it tomorrow and post (don't really have time now)

anonymous2

Finally a couple things starred that have something other than two stars. ;)

Meaning, before, it seemed anything that was starred was doomed to have exactly two stars. :)

Not that it matters. :)

Helmar

21:36

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Q: What capabilities does my Home Connect appliance provides in the developer SDK?

The smart household appliances that can be controlled via Home Connect can also be accessed via a developer SDK provided by the Home Connect Service provider. How do I find out what I will be able to do with a prospective oven, e.g. a Siemens iQ700 CM678G4S6B, by using the SDK provided by the dev...

kitchen-appliances home-connect

Ghanima

@anonymous2 thanks, now I have to go about star/unstar things to get things in order again

anonymous2

@Ghanima Oh dear. Shouldn't have said anything. Stuck my foot in my mouth again... <argh...>

:)

Helmar

Hm, there are still 80 reputation to be gained today

Ghanima

@anonymous2 fun fact 47% of SE users show symptoms of OCD

Helmar

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Q: Is there a way to turn on large numbers of IoT devices remotely?

I have a lot of IoT devices that I am currently working on (read playing with). One of my biggest headaches is turning on the ones I need without climbing under my desk and plugging in a lot of wires. I looked at IoT controlled power switches but that is going to get very expensive very fast for ...

hardware power design

Those tags are all mediocre at best

hardware is completely useless in my opinion, power can mean anything and design seems only be related in an arbitrary way

anonymous2

21:47

@Helmar, it looks like the SDK is still in beta and you can't actually use it yet... is that possible?

Helmar

@anonymous2 No

I just registered

anonymous2

>Please note as we are still in a beta phase, at the moment you can only download the SDK and test it with our home appliance simulators. It is not yet possible to connect it to real Home Connect appliances. While we are more than happy to get your first feedback, we are working with full speed to launch a fully-fledged SDK shortly that connects with real Home Connect appliances.

From developer.home-connect.com

Helmar

@anonymous2 Crap, they delayed it then.

It was supposed to be live a while ago.

anonymous2

@Helmar The article could be outdated.

Helmar

@anonymous2 hm, I still have connections. I'll look into that.

Helmar

22:05

iot.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/networking

Those questions are all about network security

I'm not quite sure that's a good use of a networking tag.

anonymous2

@Helmar I think that's about as good as I'm going to be able to fire out...

Read all the way through and see if you agree before upvoting, please. :)

Helmar

@anonymous2 I just did :)

anonymous2

Lol. You read fast... :)

Helmar

@anonymous2 I got pinged when you answered there ;)

anonymous2

@Helmar Naturally. :)

Helmar

22:16

I also played with the simulator a bit already :)

anonymous2

@Helmar How does it work?

I mean, do you like it?

Helmar

The simulator is very basic

I just registered with 10 minute mail and you get sliders and buttons for the possible remote operations

I think it gives quite a good impression from user perspective, from a developer perspective I'm not sure, but I'm not a developer ;)

IoT meta

22:52

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Q: Should these tags be plural?

We currently have the tags protocol and beacon but the tag standards, sensors, kitchen-appliances and over-the-air-updates. That's inconsistent. All those are either general concepts which have clearly defined elements like protocols (HTTPS) and standards (802.11x) or are very much countable like...

discussion tags tag-synonyms

Helmar

Somehow this in chat feed is weird

anonymous2

@Helmar Oh?

Helmar

This way I could actually star my own posts when the bot posts them.

anonymous2

Meta posts, yes, but you're not getting any rep off of them.

Helmar

@anonymous2 True enough, I guess than it's not as weird as I just thought

anonymous2

23:04

@Helmar It does seem kind of counterintuitive, and I guess someone could abuse the system to get more attention on their meta post, but the whole goal of feeding them to chat is to get more attention to meta in general, so no major harm can really be done.

Helmar

@anonymous2 Yeah, you're right

anonymous2

@Helmar Want me to star it? ;-)

Helmar

@anonymous2 Nah

The complete flood of meta posts stopped anyways so it's on top anyways

Can I retract a reopen vote?

Videonauth

as far as i know no, you cant, but that post anyways goes through the review que

anonymous2

100

Q: Ability to retract reopen/delete votes

It seems that now we can retract close votes but we cannot retract reopen votes or delete votes. I am trying to retract my reopen vote here but it does not allow me to. Can we have that ability?

feature-request vote-to-delete vote-to-reopen

It's not tagged status-completed, so we can assume that you can't for the moment. You can pile on an upvote, comment or answer if you think it should be implemented, though.

Helmar

23:14

@anonymous2 I up voted, though it didn't look high priority considering the age

anonymous2

No, you're right. When the Third Iteration of the Stack Exchange Quality Project comes around (sorry, you'll have to wait a year), it would be an option to bring it up then.

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