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Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
12:36 AM
@HodofHod yeah, I think slot machines everywhere, and not just in bars and casinos where I could ignore them easily, would be a little freaky. Nice to hear you had a good shul experiencer!
 
msh210
msh210
@MonicaCellio I've heard the airports in NV (not just LV) has them, as do the bathrooms in LV casinos.
 
Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
@msh210 bathrooms in casinos does not surprise me, though I might not have thought of it.
 
 
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Daniel
Daniel
3:36 AM
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Q: Is this melody part of the French church mass?

DanielIn this article, in the section entitled The “Great” Aleinu History, the author writes that a particular melody used in Jewish High Holiday prayers was added to the French Church Mass in the late 12th century by French crusaders, and can be heard to this very day. You can play the melody by clic...

judaism mass music crusades
anybody know anything about this?
 
 
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Seth J
Seth J
5:09 AM
@hod I've been to Vegas for Sukkoth. I avoided the Strip altogether. Not a place for a nice, Jewish boy (although the nice Jewish girl, aka my wife, and her grandmother, both enjoyed it quite a bit. The hiking in Red Rock Canyon is beautiful, though. What Shul did you go to?
 
 
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Double AA
Double AA
7:08 AM
Anyone heard of a supercommentary to Yam Shel Shlomo?
 
Meta-Man
Meta-Man
7:42 AM
0
Q: How do we deal with Kabbalah mysteries as answers?

AryehAfter recently asking for an explanation on a certain custom, I was given an answer that was garbed in kabbalistic language. Not being a kabbalist myself (nor would I suspect most readers), I asked the answerer to explain the meaning of what he wrote. His response: if you can't understand, I can'...

discussion asking-questions
 
 
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Seth J
Seth J
2:30 PM
@Tamir Evan, I apologize; I voted to reject the editing change, but I was mistaken. I was looking on the wrong Daf! It should be changed. I cannot rescind my vote; if I could, I would. If anyone else is voting on it and wants Tamir to have credit for the change, please vote yes. — Seth J 2 mins ago
 
Charles Koppelman
Charles Koppelman
3:07 PM
@msh210 Is this called "begging the answer?" judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/29410/…
 
Seth J
Seth J
3:42 PM
@DoubleAA @msh210 or @MonicaCellio, cleanup, aisle 6? judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/29254/…
 
Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
@SethJ you're saying your comments have been addressed (so yours and his responses can go)? That's what it looks like, but I didn't dig into the answer or its history much.
 
Seth J
Seth J
@MonicaCellio Yeah, that's what I mean. My first comment till the end of the thread (IMO) are irrelevant now.
 
Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
@SethJ ok thanks.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
Smart move, avoiding the strip. I went to Chabad of Summerlin. Nice place and rabbis.
 
Daniel
Daniel
4:33 PM
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Q: Were Phoenicians somehow related to Jews? Were Phoenicians Jews?

DerfderWere Phoenicians Jews or their descendants? We all know that Phoenicians invented money. And Jews are famous for beiing good at mangaing money related issues among others like science and art. Are Phoenicians somehow related to Jews or not?

history
I think that this should be deleted rather than closed
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any thoughts?
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
5:25 PM
@CharlesKoppelman It should be, and you should probably deserve credit for the coinage.
@Daniel I agree, especially considering the comment thread, which consists mostly of the author repeatedly insisting that this canard is not racism. The question is off-topic, so the value of retaining it is questionable to begin with. Pile on offensiveness and chattiness, and you have an attractive nuisance that's better off not here.
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Seth J
Seth J
@IsaacMoses @Daniel, yup.
 
Ali
Ali
Is this question on topic :
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Q: What does messiah literally mean in the Bible?

NotMyWill- but GodsWillBe doneAlthough the tag "Messiah" here itself says that it means "anointed one", What does "Messiah" literally mean in the bible and where does its definition occur in the Bible?

messiah
here in J.SE?
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@Ali Yes, IMO.
 
Ali
Ali
@IsaacMoses Can it also mean saviour?
 
msh210
msh210
@CharlesKoppelman heh
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
5:34 PM
@Ali The word literally means "anointed," and is used in many different contexts in the Bible, referring to various people and objects who get that treatment. In later literature, the word has taken on a colloquial meaning, referring specifically to the king who will be anointed when God redeems the Jewish nation and re-establishes the Jewish monarchy. I don't believe that this meaning is anywhere in Tanach, though I can't say for certain.
later
 
Ali
Ali
I wanted to ask a variant of this question here on JSE, are there any Jewish records of the rabbis\saduccess \pharsiiees recording Jesus's claim to be Jew and the reaction of Jews: christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/16777/…
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Q: Did Jesus himself assert the fact that he belonged to some religion like Judaism?

NotMyWill- but GodsWillBe doneIt is assumed that Jesus was a Jew and I am not asking what others thought whether Jesus was Jew or not and we all know that Jesus was born in a "Jewish" household, But does Jesus explicitly called himself as Jew in the NT rather then his audience thinking he is "Jew", what is the exact word he...

jesus israel jews sect
@IsaacMoses Thanks , what does redeemer mean ? does it mean like he will save people from sins?
i.e all the sins would be forgiven?
will the above question be on topic here?
 
Daniel
Daniel
@Ali I don't think so
 
Seth J
Seth J
@Ali It does not mean those things. It means physical redemption from exile and/or suffering.
@Ali Depends how it's presented.
 
msh210
msh210
@Ali Just out of curiosity, have you converted to Christianity?
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Daniel
Daniel
@msh210 Muslims also believe that Jesus is the Messiah/Redeemer
 
Seth J
Seth J
5:40 PM
@Ali "some religion like Judaism"?
 
msh210
msh210
@Ali The Jesus one? I've read only the snippet presented above. No, it wouldn't AFAICT.
 
Seth J
Seth J
@Ali Wait, which question? The definition of redeemer? Or the linked question above it?
 
Ali
Ali
@msh210 Not exact above question's variant
 
msh210
msh210
@Ali Pardon?
 
Ali
Ali
are there any Jewish records of the rabbis\saduccess \pharsiiees recording Jesus's claim to be Jew and the reaction of Jews
 
Daniel
Daniel
5:42 PM
@Ali There wouldn't be any contemporary Jewish records of Jesus, I don't think
 
Ali
Ali
@msh210 Ofcourse Not , Muslims believe Jesus to be the Messiah
 
Daniel
Daniel
Since he wasn't considered important
 
msh210
msh210
@Ali The terminology you use though -- "redeemer", "save", "saviour". I was just wondering.
 
Ali
Ali
the confusion stems from here:
I thought Messiah means the anointed one , a messenger \ prophet can also be seen as a saviour for his nation like Moses saved the Bani Israel from slavery of pharoah, Indeed Jesus was the saviour for the lost sheep of Israel but he was completely rejected by most of them, a task at which Paul succedded but Jesus failed @Caleb — NotMyWill- but GodsWillBe done 52 mins ago
 
msh210
msh210
@Ali Hebrew words meaning "save/redeem", "prophet", "messenger", and "anointed" do not necessarily have the meanings in Judaism that those words have in Christianity (or, I guess, Islam). I would recommend that you don't assume meanings for those -- or other -- words in Judaism.
 
Ali
Ali
5:48 PM
@Daniel I dont think so Jews suffered a lot of prosecution ,due to these things they are more likely to record these things
@msh210 So what does a prophet mean in Judaism?
 
Daniel
Daniel
@Ali Yes, after the fact
But contemporary sources wouldn't exist
 
Ali
Ali
I mean the first 3 generation after the passage of Jesus?
 
Daniel
Daniel
@Ali What I mean is that the people at the time probably never commented on it
because it was irrelevant
 
msh210
msh210
@Ali Usually, someone who is is very holy and therefore receives visions from God of a certain sort that I can't describe (sorry). (Moses is an exception, as (l'havdil) is Balaam. There may be more exceptions, too.)
 
Ali
Ali
@msh210 Is there a difference between prophet like Moses who recieve revelation books and other prophets like malachi who didnt?
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
5:53 PM
@msh210 bilam for joyim n Mosha Rabbeinu for yahudhim. No one else in Yisroel was like Mosha Rabbeinu. But bilam was not from Yisroel
 
Ali
Ali
@msh210 And what does Messenger mean in Judaism?
 
msh210
msh210
@Ali There's a difference between Moses and other prophets. Is that what you're asking?
 
Daniel
Daniel
@Ali Someone who sends messages?
It depends on what Hebrew word you are translating as "messenger"
 
Ali
Ali
Was Moses a Messenhger?
@msh210 Yes
 
Seth J
Seth J
@Ali Yes. And a prophet. And a redeemer. Among other things.
 
msh210
msh210
5:56 PM
@Ali One Hebrew word for "messenger" means just messenger (someone you send messages with). Angels and, sometimes, prophets are called by this term also, since they're God's messengers.
@Daniel s/sends/carries/
 
Daniel
Daniel
@msh210 Right
 
Ali
Ali
Islam also has exactly the same meanings for prophets and messengers , the only difference is that we respect the prophets more due to their holy nature and messengers come with holy books as message
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
Lol
 
msh210
msh210
@Ali Yeah, we Jews put our prophets in jail. See the book of Jeremiah.</sarcasm>
 
Ali
Ali
like Torah
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
5:59 PM
I am iffy on a joy saying jewish prophets are their prophets
Thoughts?
 
Ali
Ali
Psalms is of David?
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
You can acknowledge that they are prophets. But you can't say they are specifically yours since they didn't come to you they came to us
 
msh210
msh210
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Q: Who is the author of Tehilim 137?

Ilana Fine Bar-HaiWho is the accepted author of Psalm 137, and if it was David Hamelech, then is it accepted as a prophecy?

tehilim-psalms nevua-prophecy king-david authorship
@Ali Generally.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob I think that other religions have as much right to claim that prophets came to them as we do to say that they came to us
 
Ali
Ali
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob Well it came to bani israel
 
msh210
msh210
6:01 PM
@Daniel Anyone has a right to claim anything. The question I think @MoriDoweedhYaAgob was addressing is who's correct.
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
But the prophets didn't come to them....
 
Daniel
Daniel
@msh210 Well of course we don't think that other religions are correct...
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
@Daniel we address bilam as a prophet of the joyyim same with Iyov n his friends
 
Daniel
Daniel
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob Right. I don't understand what you're saying
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
but we don't say they came to us. Bilam was a prophet for non Jews and we acknowledge him as a prophet and what he did for us even though he tried to curse us
 
Daniel
Daniel
6:03 PM
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob Ok, but if Muslims believe, for example, that Judaism at the time of matan Torah was tantamount to Islam, then it is fair for them to say that Moshe came to them
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
Are you Muslim?
 
Daniel
Daniel
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob Me?
no
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
Then why you viewing it from a Muslim perspective
 
Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
@Ali coming into Mi Yodeya's chat room to tell us that Islam respects the prophets more than we do is rude and borderline offensive. We are not interested in false claims of Islamic superiority.
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
i am talking bout a jewish perspective
 
Daniel
Daniel
6:04 PM
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob In that case, why would that even be a question?
We don't believe that their religions are correct, so why would we think that Moshe came for them?
 
msh210
msh210
@Daniel Let's curb discussion in this room about what Islam believes and whether it's reasonable.
 
Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob wha...? You do the "muslim perspective" thing here all the time; I'm sometimes wondered if you're really muslim.
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MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
I am Muslim :)
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Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob ok, noted. There's a room for that. :-)
 
Daniel
Daniel
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob You love to pull that one
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
6:06 PM
I win all arguments. Don't question me :)
 
Ali
Ali
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob Good , are you the only Muslim out here? Apart from me
 
Charles Koppelman
Charles Koppelman
@Ali The understanding of the word mashiach (annointed/messiah), as it relates to people/kingship has changed radically between the time of David and today.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@Ali He's Muslim in the same way that we all are
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
Anyway, since we don't agree to what a certain person claims about OUR prophets, should've we address the issue and fix the problem? Or atleast tell the person that they are our prophets?
@ali you aren't Muslim :(
 
Daniel
Daniel
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob In what context?
 
Ali
Ali
6:08 PM
@CharlesKoppelman Interesting, can you elaborate?
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
@Daniel jewish context
Musjewjsh?
 
Daniel
Daniel
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob Are you asking a question about site policy or about proper etiquette or about halachic requirements
 
Ali
Ali
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob Well those who claim to be Muslims are Muslims, this is similar to C.SE policy
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
IDc bout c.se policy. I care bout Allah's policy
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@Daniel from theological perspective
 
Ali
Ali
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob Alhamdulillah
 
Daniel
Daniel
6:11 PM
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob So you mean member of XYZ non-Jewish religion comes up to you and says something about "Our prophet Moses"
You're asking whether you are supposed to correct him?
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
@daniel yes
 
Charles Koppelman
Charles Koppelman
@Ali Not to someone who doesn't care.
 
Ali
Ali
@CharlesKoppelman ofcourse I do care , thats why I am here to learn more about modern Judaism
 
Daniel
Daniel
@Ali riiiiiggghhhhttt
 
Seth J
Seth J
@MonicaCellio Honestly, I had a similar reaction to @MoriDoweedhYaAgob's.
 
Daniel
Daniel
6:14 PM
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob I don't know why it would be worthwhile to correct him. I don't think he violates any of the 7 mitzvot by believing that
 
Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
@SethJ I do too. I think @Ali and @MoriDoweedhYaAgob have both done rather more than an appropriate amount of "I (or my group) have the right view of God and you are all wrong" in this room, and I would like to see that stop. It's not polite.
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Seth J
Seth J
 
Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
@SethJ that too, though I was also thinking of the Rambam one-true-way-isms.
 
Ali
Ali
Is Lot considered to be a prophet in Judaism?
 
Seth J
Seth J
@MonicaCellio Ah.
@Ali I'm pretty sure not. But I could be wrong. He's an important character, to be sure, but I think to be a prophet you need, um, a mission.
 
Ali
Ali
6:24 PM
@SethJ Was.nt his mission to remove homosexuality?
from Sodom and gomorah?
 
Daniel
Daniel
@Ali Never heard that before
 
Seth J
Seth J
@Ali mer?
 
Ali
Ali
Sodom and Gomorrah
Sodom and Gomorrah (; ) were fictional cities mentioned in the Book of Genesis and throughout the Hebrew Bible, the New Testament and Deuterocanonical sources, as well as the Qur'an. According to the Torah, the kingdoms of Sodom and Gomorrah were allied with the cities of Admah, Zeboim and Bela. These five cities, also known as the "cities of the plain", were situated on the Jordan river plain in the southern region of the land of Canaan. The Jordan river plain (which corresponds to area just north of the modern day Dead Sea) has been compared to the garden of Eden, being a land well-w...
Lot was stationed by God at sodom and gomorah
 
Daniel
Daniel
@Ali Homosexual acts were common in Sodom and Gommorrah
 
Ali
Ali
see the jewish view
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
6:32 PM
@ali he is not a prophet. @SethJ that is what Muslim say, that lot is a prophet and we changed the torah because Quran says he is a prophet to remove homosexuality but torah doesn't have that
 
Daniel
Daniel
But I don't know that Lot was there to stop it
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
He was living among the homosexuality there. He went there because he could make more money there the with Avrohom Ovinu
 
Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
@Ali "Lot was stationed by God" -- that's an interpretation I haven't heard before. I'm not surprised that somebody says that, but just FYI it's not the only take on it. Also, as I think you'll see if you read that article (I quickly skimmed), the rabbis don't hold that homosexuality was the sin or even the most important one in that place.
@Ali and no, Lot wasn't a prophet because he wasn't charged by God with a message. He's a notable figure, but that's all.
 
Daniel
Daniel
"Homosexual rape is the way in which they violate hospitality—not the essence of their transgression. Reading the story of Sodom as being about homosexuality is like reading the story of an ax murderer as being about an ax"
 
Ali
Ali
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob homsexuality is against a mitzovah?
so it is the sin
 
Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
6:36 PM
@Daniel I don't have time right now to review the entire article for accuracy. I'm just saying that there are rabbinic interpretations about inhospitality that have nothing to do with either homosexuality or rape (and those are two different things); there was other violence.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@Ali homosexuality is not inherently against the Torah. Homosexual activity is, but as @MonicaCellio mentioned, that may or may not be the important part of the story
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
@Daniel rofl
 
Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
@Ali so is murder. So is assault. So is refusing to feed the needy.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@MonicaCellio Right, I'm agreeing with you
 
Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
@Daniel yup, I was responding to Ali.
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
6:38 PM
@MonicaCellio only reason lot was saved was because of Ovrohom Ovinu, not because of Lot's own merits
 
Ali
Ali
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob What is this Ovrohom Ovinu?
 
Daniel
Daniel
@Ali Ibrahim
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
@ali my father
 
Ali
Ali
why people pronounce this diversely
 
Seth J
Seth J
@Ali What everyone is saying, I think, is getting lost in the cross-chatter. Lot was not considered a prophet in our eyes just because he was noted in the Torah. He went to Sodom. Of his own decision. He wanted to settle down and prosper, and he chose Sodom as his place of residence.
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MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
6:41 PM
More money more honey
 
Seth J
Seth J
@Ali @MoriDoweedhYaAgob likes to make up his own transliteration scheme. It's his way of writing "Avraham Avinu", or "Our father Abraham".
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Ali
Ali
ovinu means father?
 
Daniel
Daniel
@Ali Av means father. Avinu means "Our father"
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
Abinu
 
Ali
Ali
is this a jewish language that allows multiple pronounciations for same/
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
6:42 PM
@ali ab is father nu suffix is our
 
Seth J
Seth J
@Ali Not really.
@Ali @MoriDoweedhYaAgob just likes to play around with the English spelling of the Hebrew.
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
Blame it all on me :(
 
Seth J
Seth J
We pronounce it exactly the same.
 
Ali
Ali
Ibrahim is correct?
 
Seth J
Seth J
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob No blame intended. Just clarifying.
 
Daniel
Daniel
6:43 PM
@Ali Ibrahim is Arabic
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
@SethJ clarifying the blame on me :(
 
Ali
Ali
What would abraham have pronounced himself as?
ibrahim?
 
Seth J
Seth J
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob Clarifying for @Ali what you meant.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@Ali Maybe Abe?
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Seth J
Seth J
@Ali Probably not.
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
6:44 PM
@ali i can give you his number and you can ask him yourself
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Abremel,
 
Ali
Ali
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob It is very important to preserve the name of prophet, and angels as is
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
@ali Ty for letting me know
 
Daniel
Daniel
@Ali We've done our best. You'd have to ask him to find out if we did it right
 
Ali
Ali
I read there is an exclusive jewish sect which takes pride in preserving the names of the angels
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
@ali they are so secretive that we know everything about them lol
When did yeshu live?
According to the Christian bible the beith hamigdosh was still standing. That would put him with the tannoim or Zugot?
It says anyone who even changed a Yod in the Torah won't have olom habo
 
Ali
Ali
6:52 PM
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob may I know what is your real age?
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
Yod being the smallest letter of the hebrew alphabets on ktav ashuri. But not ktab ivri. So where can we place him in history?
@ali turning 21 next month
 
Ali
Ali
olom habo?
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
Jan eidan
 
Ali
Ali
tannoim or Zugot?
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
Paradise
 
Ali
Ali
6:54 PM
like Jehenem?
or geonim?
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
Tannoim period and Zugot period in jewish history
 
Ali
Ali
for hell
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
no jehinom is hell
Jan eidan is garden of Eden
 
Ali
Ali
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob is it ike jahannam?
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
@ali no jahanum is hell not paradise....
 
Daniel
Daniel
6:55 PM
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob You're confusing him with your unconventional transliteration
 
Ali
Ali
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob So did Jesus went to the temple?
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
@Daniel for the lulz :)
@ali according to Christian bible yes
 
Ali
Ali
everything is like jehonim , deohim, darhim, elohim paskihim ...
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
Wat...
 
Ali
Ali
it souds familiar to arabic equivalents
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
6:57 PM
Semetic languages
 
Daniel
Daniel
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob Especially religious words which are likely derived from the Hebrew
 
Ali
Ali
was there an attendance system in the temple
to record the entry of Jesus?
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
@daniel mhmmm
 
Daniel
Daniel
@Ali not that's recorded anywhere
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
Million people come to Kaaba,
there is record who and what happend?
No
 
Ali
Ali
7:00 PM
@Daniel So anyone could come there incuding pagans?>
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob No each entry is recorded
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
Only Jews can come to inside temple courtyard. Non Jews can pray outside the courtyard
 
Ali
Ali
Non Muslims are not allowed in entire Mecca
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
I mean gates of the temple
I know that.
I am not missing anything by not being there. Lol
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
@Daniel Catching up, we do have some records of Yeshu, (I'm thinking of the ones the church censored from the gemara). It might be possible that there were a lot more records of him where the church's censorship was completely successful.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@HodofHod Right. I was talking about sources contemporary to him
I was just reading that the English word "ark" is like an acronym for "aron kodesh"
Does anybody here believe that?
Seems weird to me
 
Charles Koppelman
Charles Koppelman
7:56 PM
 
Daniel
Daniel
@CharlesKoppelman That's more believable to me
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
@HodofHod the "censored" parts in the gamoro with regards to yeshu is not the yeshu of christians. not to mention the gamoro it is 2 yeshus from different time periods anyway.
 
Charles Koppelman
Charles Koppelman
 
Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
@CharlesKoppelman thanks for your editing work on that! Much better.
 
Charles Koppelman
Charles Koppelman
8:22 PM
@MonicaCellio Sure. It's actually a great question IMO... at its core
 
 
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Charles Koppelman
Charles Koppelman
9:49 PM
@mods - can someone cleanup the now-irrelevant comments on judaism.stackexchange.com/q/29410/1498 ? Specifically, @DoubleAA's and optionally mine and @annex's. @MoriDoweedhYaAgob's should stay
 
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
MoriDoweedhYaAgob
:)
 
Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
10:08 PM
@CharlesKoppelman done, except I left your last one as it's still relevant.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
10:35 PM
@Mori, It is my understanding that there is some disagreement on that.
 
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MoriDoweedhYaAgob
11:35 PM
@HodofHod on wht
 

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