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12:00 AM
@Shmuli You mean the particular paper I linked to, or the paper that the Rebbe talked about?
 
Isn't it the same paper?
 
@Shmuli I'm pretty certain it is.
 
seems so...
 
Hi!
 
@Charlie Heya!
 
12:08 AM
@HodofHod how are you?
 
@Shmuli So then what do you mean?
@Charlie Good, thank G-d; how are you?
 
@HodofHod I could be better
@HodofHod btw, about that, why we write G-d but we can write Elohyim ?
 
I'm not quite sure what you're asking. I was wondering how it was concluded that the Rebbe's brother authored that paper, and how we came to "know" that this Mark Gurari was indeed just a pen-name. Now I'm watching the video you sent me and it's all very clear. Apparently the Rebbe had this information.
 
@Shmuli Ah, I mistook your statement above for a question.
@Charlie Well, we don't, generally. Most people I know write and say Elokim, instead of the actually pronunciation.
 
@HodofHod interesting
hi @IsaacMoses
 
12:23 AM
@HodofHod: based on what it says in this story here (sichosinenglish.org/books/to-know-and-to-care-2/03.htm), it was at the Rebbe's request that the paper be published under the name Mark Gurari.
@HodofHod: an interesting side note, is that when the Rebbe was writing letters to the Rogachover Gaon, he signed his letters with the pseudonym "Mordechai Gurari". Here his brother's using the name "Mark Gurari". kestenbaum.net/content.php?item=1431
 
Ask G-d to kill you isn't the same thing as suicide?
 
12:48 AM
@Charlie No, I wouldn't think so...
 
@HodofHod why not?
 
@Charlie That's the whole question, isn't it?
It's different enough that it's worth asking about.
 
@DoubleAA I think so
 
@Charlie G-d does not approve of suicide. If one prays to G-d to die, and G-d does not answer, then no harm, no foul (or at least, it's not equivalent to suicide). If G-d does acquiesce, then surely it is not a punishable offense; after all, G-d made the decision, not man.
 
@HodofHod But.. why?
why G-d would take such decision?
Ask for death is itself....
why "throw away" the gift of life?
 
12:55 AM
@Charlie That's his business, no? Why would G-d make any decision?
 
:-|
 
@Charlie That's a question I cannot answer.
 
@HodofHod yes.... deep
@HodofHod I faced someone asking that, the opposite, sorta
@HodofHod for example, peple with such horrible life conditions, what is the point of life
 
@HodofHod If you pray to God that you should sin, and God lets you, is that because He decided it was a good thing or that you didn't deserve special prevention to save you from sinning?
 
@DoubleAA That seems to be a faulty comparison. For suicide the issur is by definition on the man himself. G-d killing the man != the man killing the man. Your case has the man still performing the forbidden action, whereas in mine, the man leaves that action to G-d.
 
1:12 AM
Good night guys :)
 
1:31 AM
@Shmuli Cool! Relevant question here: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/7137/…
 
 
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2:37 AM
@HodofHod: you referring to the fact that it was the hanhogo of the Rogachover not to write b"H for the reason that Alex mentions, aren't you?
 
@Shmuli No, I'm referring to the paragraph in your linked article that says:
" The letter reveals that there was prior correspondence as well. The Rebbe writes, “in my previous correspondence I asked if one could find a source for those that write in letters ‘Baruch Hashem’ or ‘Be’ezrasHashem’….”"
 
Aha; that explains it. I once read a letter regarding this. I knew that there had been such a discussion between the Rogachover and "someone". I guess I didn't read the entire article before linking.
@HodofHod: are you chassidic?
 
@Shmuli Yes
 
@HodofHod: aha, thanks! You seem to be a boki in mi.yodeya.com. Or at the least - good with the search function.
@Menachem: oh, Menachem. Didn't notice it was you who posted that.
 
4:21 AM
@Shmuli Just a tip: in chat you can click on the arrow on the bottom right of someone's message to reply to it. That way it's clear which message is connected to which.
 
4:52 AM
@DoubleAA thanks for the tip.
 
 
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6:42 AM
@Shmuli Been here a while; one gets to be familiar with the material ;)
 
 
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10:50 AM
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Q: Can the Christian cross be seen as an Idol

AliAs Christianity is Avodah Zarah, is a Christian cross which people kiss, pay respect to, and pray facing towards considered to be an idol? Here is a brief excerpt from a scholarly christian source which sheds more light into their form of worship and how cross is used: Now, it was clear from...

 
 
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2:46 PM
@Ali The chat room has a feed for new questions.
 
Ali
3:26 PM
@msh210 means?
 
@Ali There is a computer program that pastes a link to every new question on Mi Yodeya into this chat room.
 
Ali
3:57 PM
@msh210 O thanks so much , can I use that?
 
4:17 PM
@Ali It is active already. (However, the links are visible only to those who are in the room when the links are pasted.)
 
 
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5:31 PM
@msh210 o thanks for sharing the info
 
6:00 PM
How can I take a question from the forum and drop it into this chat?
 
@Shmuli Just post the link with nothing else (except possibly a reply marker) into a chat message
It will "one-box"
Here is full list of links which can one-box in chat
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A: Which links and sites are handled specially in chat?

Juha SyrjäläThe current list of integrated (we call this onebox, or oneboxing, ala search engines) sites is: Stack Exchange sites: Questions / Answers / Users / Comments Stack Exchange Chat: Messages / Rooms / Bookmarked conversations Area 51 proposals Posts from the Stack Exchange blog, the Server Fault b...

 
@DoubleAA Thanks much!
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A: Why is Sha'ar Ha'Yichud of Chovos Ha'Levavos so "controversial"?

ChanochIn addition to the issues of whether the philsophical proof to God's existance is a proper approach, my own analysis of Sha'ar HaYichud is that the particular philosophical proof he uses is simply incorrect. Some mathematical premises that he relies on were proved incorrect in the 19th century.

@DoubleAA: Can you clarify your response to good_ole_ray in the second answer here?
 
6:53 PM
@Shmuli I'm not sure what you want me to elaborate on. I tried to use terms and concepts as accepted in the broader world unless I say otherwise. He uses a new concept called "actual infinity" which he doesn't define rigorously, and he also claims that his "actual infinity is "in the real world" and that "you cannot have infinity apples - in reality" so I really don't understand what he's saying.
 
@DoubleAA He was bold enough to propose that the Chovos Halevovos was "proved" to be incorrect, yet he wasn't clear as to how he specifically understood the Chovos Halevovos. I was hoping you could shed some light.
 
@Shmuli Who is 'he' in your sentence? Me? Ray? Hawkings? Chanoch?
 
@DoubleAA Let's start with Ray. :)
@DoubleAA And did Hawkings address Chovos Halevovos? Where can I read up on this in more detail?
 
@Shmuli Ray was trying to defend the Chovot Halevavot. He wanted to say that the kind of mathematical concepts that CH was using were "actual" real concepts instead of "abstract mathematical" ones, so modern proofs don't affect the CH. I don't understand what his concepts are.
@Shmuli All I know is what I saw in the link in the post mypages.iit.edu/~kbloom1/blog/…
 
7:10 PM
@DoubleAA So then I think Ray was taking the stance that the mathematical concept of infinity - such as the concept addressed in Zeno's paradox of the achilles and the tortoise (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…) - isn't a true infinity. It's only a mathematical infinity, which doesn't carry over into "real" infinity. The CH is addressing a G-dly infinity which cannot be explained in mathematical terms. Where do you differ (if you do)?
 
@Shmuli What is a real infinity? Is the number of natural numbers a real infinity?
Until someone explains what it is, it's just words.
 
@DoubleAA In the G-dly sense, infinity is the idea of "boundlessness". It's got nothing to do with numbers. Numbers are not a "real" infinity, as even mathematics is bounded by its own rules. Numbers are strictly guided by these laws.
 
@Shmuli How are the natural numbers bounded? They get bigger and bigger without bound.
If you are worried about a lower bound, we can discuss the set of integers.
 
@DoubleAA Because at the end of the day, they have their limitations within the law and theory of math. They are also not "all-capable", as G-d is. This is where we have 2 different definitions for the idea of "infinity" - as Ray suggested in his post. There's the countless, and there's the boundless.
 
@Shmuli Ray is not talking about the power to create or move things or whatever. He's talking about the infinity that CH uses which is one of amount not strength.
"That the infinite should have parts is inconceivable. ... Let us assume that a thing is actually infinite, and that we take a [finite] part from it. The remainder will undoubtedly be less than it was before. If this remainder is infinite, one infinite will be greater than another infinite, which is impossible. If this remainder is finite, then when we put the part we took back together with the finite remainder, the result should be finite [thus contradicting the premise]."
Obviously the number 7 is limited in that it can't walk. We're not discussing that.
(Though to be fair God can't walk either.)
 
7:29 PM
@DoubleAA Where is this quote from?
 
@Shmuli From the link in the post you referenced.
That's the whole center of the debate.
 
Right. That I know.
But are these Ray's words?
 
@Shmuli That quote is presented in the link as a translation of a part of CH. I haven't looked it up inside to verify it.
 
I'll look it up.
Yeah - it's a quote from CH.
 
Cool thanks for checking.
 
7:59 PM
Incidentally, we generally refer to the natural numbers as countable not countless.
 
Hi all. I try to be reasonably self-aware, but I must admit that the downvotes on my most recent question has left me scratching my head. Can anyone enlighten me as to what people might dislike about it?
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Q: List of oppressors of the Jewish people

DaveWe say in the V'hi She'amda passage of the Pesach Hagaddah that in each and every generation there have been those who rose up against us to destroy us, but Hashem saves us from their designs. Has anybody ever complied a list identifying who the Jews' oppressors were in every generation?

 

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