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3:35 PM
@kouty hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=38509&st=&pgnum=54 how could they say such a rule? It depends if it's a tenuah ketana or gedola. Chirik yud is a tenuah gedola, which is followed by a sheva na
 
 
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4:38 PM
@robev I think you meant to ping @Kazibácsi
@robev 'they' apparently don't agree that tenuah gedola is followed by a shva na
(or i suppose that "chirik yud is a tenuah gedola". or both.)
 
@DoubleAA is there a consensus?
 
@robev I don't think anyone thinks chirik yud is a tenuah ketana and also holds of the 'normal' kimchian rules of tenua gedola and ketana viz-a-viz shva na. It's probably simplest to think of the position as tenuot are all equal and aren't split into big and small.
 
4:58 PM
@robev Zey Gezund
 
 
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6:46 PM
@robev Long and short vowels are grammar terms introduced by R' Kimchi. On the other hand, the Masoretes were not interested in rules, but in describing the tradition they had received. They are different approaches, but both are valid and have arguments supporting each of them.
 
 
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7:47 PM
@Kazibácsi So why did you say it's baseless to say the proper pronounciation is Pinechas?
 
8:05 PM
@robev Because both Pinchas and Pinechas are valid options, and indeed there are current traditions preferring either of them. I'm fine with both as long as they are consistent.
 

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