@IsaacMoses pointing this out in case you have anything to add (on book production):

@msh210 "Not relevant"? How can you read Scripture correctly without the trop?

(Only half-facetious. The trop is, AFAIU, as masoretically essential to the text as the vowels are.)

@IsaacMoses Well, the vowels tell you what word it is among homographs and the trop tells you how to combine words and phrases. Both are essential, but the latter isn't necessary (sometimes when discussing only a small part, or) when the level of syntactic detail necessary to the question is obvious from the wording without reference to the trop. IMO.

@msh210 I don't see a convincing argument for taking care to exclude it when copying and pasting from a masoretically-complete source.

@IsaacMoses I guess it depends on how common the lack of appropriate font is.

Incidentally, this new chat client they've got for cellphones is a vast improvement over the old.

@msh210 True. If it's mainly a Linux thing, that's not a huge deal.

@msh210 They who? Is it part of the SE app?

@IsaacMoses Right. Linux folks are (stereo)typically used to figuring out fixes and workarounds anyway. If it were an MSWin problem, that'd be a bigger deal. :-)

@IsaacMoses The mobile version of the Web site.

@msh210 Would you equally support removing vowels from words which have no homographs or in context are clearly identifiable? @IsaacMoses would you equally oppose removal in that case?

@DoubleAA My default is the status quo, which is that people can paste in quotations from whatever Jewish version of the text they want.

@DoubleAA Yes. But I've no doubt that the cases in which words are sufficiently (for purposes of the question) identifiable to n users sans vowels are much fewer than the cases in which syntax is sufficiently (for purposes of the question) identifiable to n people sans trop marks. (Pick any large fraction n of the readership.)

@IsaacMoses Actually I can think of a case where I'd propose omitting trop marks where they seem unnecessary in context: where boldfacing is necessary. Boldfaced Hebrew in common MSWin fonts is hard to read even without trop marks or vowels, and the more so with vowels, and the more so with both.

@msh210 Is it a new app or an update to the old one?

I gave up on using the old app

@Scimonster Care to share what browser/OS you're using?

Request for tag-synonym votes: maps -> geography. See comments here. Right now, the recently-invented maps is on four posts. Given that there's been no response other than upvotes to my comments there, any reason I shouldn't just edit this tag away? (I'd still support the synonym idea.)

@Daniel Chrome on Ubuntu

@Scimonster Yeah so I guess it does seem to be a Linux thing

or maybe just Ubuntu (?) since I'm running the same thing

@Daniel I don't know the difference between those two things. It has the same URL. See more details.

@msh210 There is a native Android app for SE chat

I think it's third party

@Daniel No, I'm talking about the Web app: the mobile version of the chat Web site.

I asked that before I saw that you mentioned that it's the mobile version of the web site

@msh210 frinkiac.com/meme/S09E01/… + frinkiac.com/meme/S09E01/486018.jpg?lines=EH.+MAYBE+A+LITTLE.

They finally invented this tool.

Thanks, anonymous synonymizer!

@IsaacMoses maps? It's not a synonym yet.

@msh210 Oh. Anonymous SOI staff member then. :)

@IsaacMoses No, a mod merged the two, so all then-maps questions became geography questions instead, but didn't approve the synonym, so there's the possibility of maps getting added to questions (including those same questions).

The mod was me, actually.

@msh210 Gotcha. Thanks.

@IsaacMoses Welcs. I figured -- there's certainly no need for a new tag for questions like those four. But maybe there's need for one for other types of question. (Though I doubt it, which is why I upvoted the synonym suggestion. That doesn't auto-approve it.)

At the risk of being seen as a persecutor:

@IsaacMoses It's an issue that comes up in various contexts: avelus (including the nine days), m'lacha, chol hamoed (besides the m'lacha issue), probably more.

@msh210 Sure. Ably covered by clothing and/or cleaning, depending on context

@IsaacMoses I think people may want to see all questions related to the intersection of those two ideas (and no more).

@msh210 Is there no way to search for a conjunction of tags?

(It's judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/clothing+cleaning by the way.)

@msh210 That's what I thought

Is it worth it to have a tag just for people who 1) don't know how to search for questions that contain two tags 2) care about questions that would be covered by those two tags?

3) Know how to search by a single tag

@Daniel That's a click on the tag.

@IsaacMoses That's why we need a hierarchical tag system.

@msh210 Yes; that could make life much easier. Or unlimited tagging, as Loewian requested on Meta. But our current tagging practices need to take the existing infrastructure into account.

@IsaacMoses For sure, and

@IsaacMoses that's a good point.

I mean, the same argument could theoretically motivate the creation of hilchot-shabbat, hilchot-tefila, beiur-tefila, hilchot-keriat-shema, vel sim.

christianity-in-halacha, chrisitanity-in-hashkafa ...

@IsaacMoses Agreed

This is why we have multiple tags on a question

... each of which, incidentally, would probably have significantly larger populations than washing-clothes

@IsaacMoses But by that logic we shouldn't have passover, because we have chagim-holidays and nissan.

@msh210 For questions about Passover, the fact that the holiday occurs in nissan is generally tangential to the question

@msh210 I can't put my finger on it exactly, but my intuition is that that's not how people think.

Questions about washing clothes, I care about clothing and I care about cleaning

For questions about Passover, I care about Passover

@Daniel I'd say "and/or"

@IsaacMoses The person asking the question cares about both

In other words, those keywords are both directly related to my question

In my question about Passover, Nissan is only indirectly related because Passover happens to fall then

@Daniel OK. I think you're expressing this well. In questions about Hilchot Shabbat, I'm intrinsically interested in both Halacha and Shabbat.

@IsaacMoses right

> Under what circumstances is the decree banning laundering on chol hamoed waived?

Tangentially, I always wonder whether I should include chagim-holidays when I'm also tagging a specific holiday

^ Is that person interested in clothing? in cleaning? How can you tell? (My previous chat message.)

@Daniel No. See the tag wiki.

@msh210 Nice.

@msh210 That person is definitely interesting in cleaning. If he's specifically asking about laundering clothing, then clothing should be included (and the question should be more specific)

@msh210 How you can tell is partially determined by what tags that person chooses to attach, but preferably made clear, as @Daniel said, in the question body.

@msh210 In that case, it's even more clear that we can't tag Passover questions with nissan and chagim-holidays. The tag wiki explicitly rules out using it in that case

@Daniel Sorry, I thought "laundering" meant "laundering clothing". Back up and assume the question asked that specifically, if you please.

@Daniel (Passover questions that aren't considering it in the context of either Nissan generally or Chagim generally.)

@Daniel Well, only because we decided on that, because we have a Pesach tag. My question was whether we should have a Pesach tag.

@IsaacMoses right

@msh210 fair enough. I think our previous reasoning still holds, though

@msh210 What did you mean by "How can you tell?"? How can who tell, for what purpose?

@IsaacMoses ... I don't know what I was thinking any more when I wrote that. I think I must have had something in mind that's actually a straw man.

Probably because, when I wrote it, I misunderstood what you'd been arguing.

Per this comment, I request a merge of eating-before-davening into eating.

@IsaacMoses It needs some manual work. Can't do it just now.

OK, then, I'm stating my intent to make the few requisite edits to effect that result, unless there's objection.

@IsaacMoses go for it. It's only four questions; editing them is probably easier than trying to do something with the tag itself.

"Rabbinate Considers Granting Ordination To Google"

@TheOne sefaria.org/…

spank you

@IsaacMoses "Rabbi Eli Yahoo". :-)

Our top-viewed question is one that's easily answered by referring to Rabbi Google.

Our second is closed.

Whoa, 50k views on that question!

@msh210 but has reasonable answers for the Googlers.

My own personal top-viewed question is on cooking.se.

@MonicaCellio Yes, indeed.

(Here's the list of top-viewed MY questions.)

@msh210 Is there an easy way to see one's top-viewed question?

@IsaacMoses Cross-site? Not that I know of. Within MY? Yeah, one second....

@IsaacMoses data.stackexchange.com/judaism/query/432268?UserId=2

@msh210 within MY, go to the "views" tab of your "questions" profile tab. CC @IsaacMoses

@msh210 Thanks

@MonicaCellio Ah, cool. I always forget about things like that. Thanks.

Welcs.

@msh210 Mine's on SO, I think, and not particularly interesting.

@IsaacMoses And here's the top-viewed question that you asked or answered.

@IsaacMoses Actually, I don't know where mine is. But I assume it's the cooking.se one because it has so many views.

@msh210 "Is X kosher," in various forms, seems to be a very high-volume application of Rabbi Google.

As a first approximation, you can look at questions across the network for which you've earned Famous Question and go from there.

I mean, of people looking for information that they can present to their own rabbis to determine the best course of action.

@IsaacMoses Such as this one.

@DoubleAA I just came across this comment of yours for the first time. Bravo, well done.