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noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

10:00 PM

I still reserve that PyPy is fast

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@HelkaHomba But C++ doesn't need memory management

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

OK, why not Java or the JVM?

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@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Too slow

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ASCII-only ok

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here is C++ with no memory management (warning: temporary website)

Downgoat

10:02 PM

@HelkaHomba C++ requires even less memory managment the better you code which is nice also

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wait a second

my bad, wrong one

okay, now it's up

Downgoat

strawpoll.me/11444436

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

i need coffeescript/typescript but for C++

like compile to readable and fast C++

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...

Why not use C++ directly

Downgoat

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC it's called C++ :P

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10:04 PM

> fu

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Or a huge macro library

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@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC The reason one doesn't exist is corner cases

If you have enough macros corner cases means half your code

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ASCII-only Macro library but it has regex, and there's another preprocessoer

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Plus that would add like 10000% to compilation time

Downgoat

O_o i put fu in as joke .___.

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10:05 PM

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Doesn't exist, plus regex is 1. slow, 2. a bad idea

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ASCII-only not if it's search+replace

quartata

@ASCII-only So strictly typed Pytek? :P

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Plus it doesn't exist yet

@quartata Kinda, but with quite a bit of different syntax

quartata

I take the <t> and <k,v> are generics right

Downgoat

yea

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10:08 PM

@Downgoat It's supposed to be fn

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

I haz no idea how 2 set up a good C++ environment so bye on that

Readable and/or easy to write in?

Downgoat

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC what OS do you use?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat Mac OS X, AKA BSD with flairs.

I know how to set one up, I'll just clone it

And I have an IDE togo

What build system?

Downgoat

something i wrong when yuo cannot distinguish a fellow contributor's issue from spam :P

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat funny jokes ≠ spam

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10:13 PM

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Humor is sunjective

Downgoat

@ASCII-only should we convert long markdown document to a proper documentation for each item which there is agreement upon?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat yes

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Yes

Downgoat

ok, gitbooks or sphinx?

I personally like gitbooks

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GH wiki maybe?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

10:14 PM

@Downgoat OK so one joke, and I'm out? I already agreed on c++

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maybe RTD

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

^^

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@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC seriously it looks a lot like spam though

especially bacon/GMO/inconsistent all-caps

Downgoat

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC >_> that was because you were spamming and past the fact that that issue was locked and closed abusing your collaboration status

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ASCII-only Sorry. I'll delete it. My jokes often go too far, RL and online.

Downgoat

10:15 PM

I told you to stop like 3 times too

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat sorry * 100

now I can't delete it because it's locked D:

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Also yeah pls don't mix real stuff with jokes, if there are too many jokes it gets hard to trawl through all the real stuff

Downgoat

^ also, everytime you comment on an issue, every collaborator gets an email

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ASCII-only OK.

@Downgoat wat

I turned off my email preference a long time ago

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@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC But not everyone else

Downgoat

10:18 PM

okay ive invited you back but if a post is locked, please comment on it only if very necessary

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ASCII-only do it, there's no reason not to. And I won't make jokes in GitHub, and I'll throttle it in chat.

Downgoat

@ASCII-only RTD is sphinx :P

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

somebody needs to push their code to a fork

^^^

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@Downgoat Oh then Sphinx

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Do we want to be able to initialize a variable without giving it a value?

@Downgoat

quartata

10:28 PM

> vsl-lang

> versatile scripting language language

Just wanted to point that out.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

^^^

Helka Homba

Request 2: ternary operators that don't require a false case, something like:

"a" + (myBool ? "b") + "c" // when myBool=false (myBool ? "b") would eval to null and be added as an empty string

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

How will VSL be different from other scripting languages? #3

note: this document was created to motivate and to make sure VSL doesn't go off course, not to be negative

I think VSL should have seamless compatibility w/ other language's libraries. Good libs are a key factor for a scripting lang.

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@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC IMO? Not yet, we need a working language first :P

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ASCII-only long-term, yes

And I think #3 is very important

Downgoat

10:42 PM

@HelkaHomba so && operator?

oh

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@HelkaHomba not falsy?

Downgoat

that case would probably require implicit casting from null -> empty string which probably isn't good

maybe in string formatting

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Who keeps borking the code formatting in the doc?

Downgoat

e.g. "foo@{nil}bar" is "foobar"

Helka Homba

@Downgoat Oh yeah, kinda. Maybe it's not necessary

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

10:44 PM

$ resembles bash too darn much

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@Downgoat @nil shouldn't work right? only variables?

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Maybe but we don't really have any other free nice looking symbols

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

I think there are too many integer types.

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Should we use Ruby's @ instead?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ASCII-only but why is it needed?

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@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC 1. Kinda needed for speed, 2. most of them aren't used for scripting

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC $ variables? Sometimes it's clearer and shorter

Helka Homba

10:46 PM

Request 3: 3 or 4 letter keywords throughout so there's less typing

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e.g. =>{$1+$2}

@HelkaHomba What about class, interface and trait

quartata

Have to say, the $ stuff doesn't appeal to me, and I'm a Perl programmer

Helka Homba

@ASCII-only Say cls itf trt. Ok, I know that's weird but would be nice for power users and golfers

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Yeah, it won't have too much use

But IMO still useful

@HelkaHomba okay, have those as alternate syntaxes

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ASCII-only I'm hierarching it

@HelkaHomba what about a standardized autocomplete?

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10:51 PM

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC But... golf

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

this is not an esolang

Helka Homba

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC You mean make an IDE? Sure but sounds like lots more work

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@HelkaHomba No

Just plugins/modifications on most popular IDEs

Most IDEs support templates

Helka Homba

ok

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Also @everyone are function flags or decorators better

@memoize
fn asdf() {}

vs:

fn asdf() --memoize {}

and:

fn asdf() -m {}

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

10:59 PM

@ASCII-only put it in the hack.md for voting

Helka Homba

@ASCII-only these

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@@mf
fn asdf() {}

^What about that for single-char decorators

Helka Homba

@m@f seems nicer

maybe even fn asdf@m@f (){...}

Downgoat

@ASCII-only i like function flags better

idk how you wana do symbols but @name is nice symbol syntax

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What are symbols again

@HelkaHomba BTW you can vote (kinda) on the HackMD (starboard)

Also @everyone overloading looks like it's going to be a huge bottleneck

At least if you have way too many overloads

Helka Homba

11:11 PM

@ASCII-only Things a bit like constant strings but make more sense for enums and stuff, like they are names for things

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Like Ruby's :foo?

Helka Homba

Yes, that's a symbol in ruby troubleshooters.com/codecorn/ruby/symbols.htm

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat why not both? Decorators for decoration, function flags for stuff like memoization

who's somebody1234?

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@HelkaHomba @betseg @quartata

daHugLenny

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC It's ASCII-only I think

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

11:28 PM

mars ultur actually

(are they the same people?)

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Mars Ultor -> network profile

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

you aren't the same person I'm talking to in the md @ASCII-only

Too much personality difference

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Wait really? ;_;

How I act is largely affected by where I am e.g. this is chat, that is 100% language design only

Downgoat

> class/cls

why pls no

i strongly am against this syntax

we are not golfing lang

there shouldnt be golfed keywords

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D: D: D:

We are golfing lang

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

11:38 PM

no we aren't...

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watwatwatwat

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ASCII-only you = ASCII-only, "the green cursor" = the anonymous nice friendly stranger on the green cursor

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Well, yeah, but IMO golfed keywords are useful sometimes

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such uber-wat rn

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Who made this?

Downgoat

11:39 PM

@ASCII-only ಠ_ಠ i disagree

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

(VLS)

Downgoat

example?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Discuss in the md! It feels more personal and groovy there!

w/ 

@Downgoat @ASCII-only

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@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC The other green guy? That's Downgoat

I created the room, everyone else did most of everything else

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC green = Vihan = Downgoat btw

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ASCII-only ...but the somebody1234 is green

An exclusive interview with @Downgoat. So Vihan H. Downgoat (the third), what is your favorite programming language? And ~~what is your opinion on emacs~~?

Downgoat

11:52 PM

i gtg do HW bai

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

> - deny ++ and -- (1/0)

@Downgoat And as we've learned, "i gtg do HW bai" is Vihan H. Downgoat's favorite programming language. Back to you steve, in the studio.

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