V'dibarta Bam - 2016-03-11

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3:35 AM

@MonicaCellio where is that comment you made about cross-referencing real posts in our PTIJ?

I am really wanting to impose the daily-limit on questions that I pushed for. It's already annoying me.

@Yez There is a user who has 7 PTIJ q's (it's barely the second night of Rosh Chodesh), with a total score of +4 between all of them. This is not encouraging quality.

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Q: Should drinking be required before Purim Torah questions?

I see some users have a hard time releasing their year-round seriousness before reviewing purim-torah-in-jest questions, e.g., the first comment here. Should we require Yodeyans to drink before such reviews ad d lo yodeya ben mi yodeya v mi lo yodeya ? This question is Purim Torah and is not ...

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3:51 AM

@Yez hmm, I don't remember. I think it might have been here in chat rather than as a comment on the site. It might have been in a discussion with Isaac, which doesn't do much to narrow the search space. The general idea, though, was that if visible PT posts (either questions or answers) can link to real questions on the site without it being forced, that might help people who come for the PT to realize there's a serious site here too.

@MonicaCellio I found it and referenced it here

@Yez oh, nice find! I was starting to search for it among discussions of R' Slifkin's blog and potential submissions thereto, but that wasn't it at all.

4:32 AM

@Yez Having some lower quality questions isn't uncommon throughout the year. Voting does its thing and I think the updated policy has definitely caused an improvement in question quality this year.

@Daniel Your PTIJ questions are the only strong argument I see against instituting my suggestion.

Well looks like I screwed up a purim torah question pretty bad. I can't find a way to explain the joke without making it not funny, and a lot of people aren't getting it. If anybody wants to take a whack go ahead judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/69066/…

If nobody can make any progress I may just have to ask for it to be deleted.

But then again Daniel thinks the thing about defining the resistive heating of a filiment that's not supposed to burn at all as fire is dead serious. I just can't think that's real.

4:51 AM

@Joshua The modern poskim consider it to be real

@Yez Some people are good at the game. Others aren't as good. I think that I'm not bad. @Scimonster is the true king of high-scoring PTIJ. But just because someone isn't that good at the game doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to play.

We don't have rules about how many open questions a person can have normally

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Some people come here and blast off a dozen bad posts. Those posts are each judged on their individual merits. People might be a bit harsher if they've seen one person post a bunch of bad posts, but we don't strictly rate-limit people

@Joshua we're pretty good at taking stuff seriously around here. You might be interested in this collection:

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Q: Catalog of sci-fi questions

We've had a bunch of questions of varying quality related to science fiction (or, more generally, speculative fiction), most or all asking how Jewish law would deal with some scenario that is either not currently practical or never could be. This includes anything to do with space travel, even t...

discussion question-catalog

@Joshua I think you may be over-identifying a term of art in Jewish law with the closest available English word.

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6:42 AM

@Daniel The software does, but not by tag.

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8:04 AM

@Daniel I think it's a talent for easily answered questions with clickbait titles, which helps with HNQ.

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10:14 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps body: MEZUZAH FINDING THE RIGHT ONE by tina on judaism.stackexchange.com …

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3:25 PM

There's been a disturbing amount of PTIJ about women IMO.

@DoubleAA Is it the amount that's disturbing for you or the content?

Because I agree that there have been some questions of questionable propriety about women

@Daniel The amount is more disturbing. If one person feels a need to insult 50% of Jews, I'd move past it. 4-5 people having the same urge is disturbing.

@DoubleAA 4-5?

I see 2 questions that are problematic

one is downvoted

and neither have answers

3:40 PM

@DoubleAA Memes can be contagious

I forgot this wasn't on ptij (which is probably more disturbing)

heard a polygamist in israel say one wife = 1 headache, 2 wives= 2 headaches — ray yesterday

etc.

@DoubleAA Looks deletable to me. At least mildly offensive, says nothing about Judaism aspect of the issue (which is presumably the question at hand) so therefore irrelevant

@IsaacMoses Sounds like a reason to flag

@DoubleAA Flaggety flag flagged. Your paper trail is blazed, sir.

@DoubleAA You mods

Sometimes I feel like y'all are worried the FBI is going to come and throw you all in prison for taking unilateral action

3:54 PM

@Daniel Nah, we do plenty of comment deletions unilaterally.

(And other things.)

@msh210 <cowers>

Happy real-Adar, y'all!

@msh210 You too!

@MonicaCellio ooooooh misheh misheh misheh misheh misheh misheh misheh misheh misheh nichnas adaaaaar! (x4) — Y ez Dec 8 '15 at 4:30

@msh210 I recently heard, in a recorded shiur by R' Brahm Weinberg of KMS in Silver Spring, that it's not actually that one Adar is more real than the other. It's just that certain observances are anchored to Pesach and are therefore observed in Adar II, while others are anchored to the rest of the year and are therefore observed in Adar I.

3:59 PM

@IsaacMoses What observances are anchored to the rest of the year and therefore observed in Adar I? (Anchored to passage of time, yes, like a mourner's eleven months. Or anchored to Adar I, like IINM a >1st yahrzeit. But anchored to the pre-Adar calendar?)

@msh210 OK, more like the former. Finding it...

@IsaacMoses I've never AFAIR heard of the first name Brahm before. I wonder whether the surname Brahms means something like "Brahm's son".

(After checking Wikipedia and Wiktionary and etymonline, I'm none the wiser as to that question, but I did learn that Brahms is Cockney rhyming slang for "drunk".)

@msh210 radioline.co/podcast-spreaker-kms-daily-divrei-halacha Episode "3/2/2016" 1:40 - 3:40, with the claim that stuck in my head specifically at 2:40.

@IsaacMoses If you can summarize briefly the part that clarifies your statement above, I'd appreciate it, as I can't listen to it now. If not, then I'll have to listen another time.

@msh210 Purim, Parshiyot are anchored to Pesach. Yahrtzeits just follow the calendar in sequence.

4:09 PM

@IsaacMoses Oh, okay. Thanks.

@msh210 He's from Montreal, FWIW. I forget what his Hebrew name is.

@IsaacMoses Of French-Jewish extraction?

@msh210 I doubt it, but who knows. His English sounds to me like that of other Anglo-Canadians. (i.e. like USA English, but with funny pronunciations of vowels in a few particular words)

Rhymes with "Bam", BTW

@IsaacMoses Er, that doesn't help. :-)

4:26 PM

Rhymes:English/æm

» Rhymes » English » -æ- » -æm == Pronunciation == enPR: -ăm, IPA(key): /-æm/ == Rhymes == === Notes === In some accents, words ending in /-ɑːm/ are rhymes for words on this page. === One syllable === am bam blam cam CAM clam cram dam damn dram flamb gam glam (General American) graham gram, gramme ham jam jamb lam lamb ma'am Pam pram ram RAM rhamn Sam scam scram sham slam Spam, spam swam tam tram wham yam === Two syllables === exam flim-flam madame shazam === Three syllables === Amsterdam kilogram, kilogramme Vietnam (in some accents)...

@IsaacMoses Oh, Emeril "Bam", not Hebrew "Bam". Got it.

Not

Rhymes:English/ɒm

» Rhymes » English » -ɒ- » -ɒm == Pronunciation == -ŏm, /-ɒm/, /-Qm/ == Rhymes == === Notes === In North American accents, words ending in /-ɑːm/ are rhymes for words on this page. === One syllable === bomb Dom dom from (in North American accents, this does not rhyme with the others on the list, see -ʌm) mom nom om pom prom rhomb (in one pronuncation) ROM Somme Tom tom === Two syllables === aandblom aplomb coulomb (in one pronunciation) herefrom therefrom wherefrom === Three syllables === CD-ROM...

So, not like Brahms.

@IsaacMoses Oh, I have heard that first name, come to think of it. But spelled without the 'h'. Bram Stoker.

4:38 PM

@IsaacMoses But presumably it wasn't pronounced with an "æ" in whatever language it came from. That's an unusual vowel (especially without an "r" following; and especially written as "a").

Anyone have a link to a font that looks like handwriting but based closely on Ashuris -- like 2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y8X6l3JCWf4/Ts2mn5_LKQI/AAAAAAAACEc/… ?

@msh210 Does it have to be free?

@Daniel Yep.

But something even vaguely matching my description will probably suffice.

@msh210 Is this close enough to looking like handwriting?

I found this but it costs $30

4:57 PM

@Daniel Not really. But thanks.

@msh210 This one looks pretty good

but I can't get it to work with the correct Hebrew keyboard mappings

It's an English font

that uses Hebrew letters

@Daniel Like people used to do on the Web in the bad old days.

Ooh, hagilda.com/pdf/Simple.pdf (PDF, 35KB) looks good

... but it costs 250 shekel

@Daniel Way to not include the link CC: @msh210

if you're willing to type phonetically

@Daniel Nope, but thanks.

I'm pickier than my "something even vaguely matching my description will probably suffice" would have you think.

Here are some! oketz.com/fonts/all.html

@msh210 nice!

5:41 PM

@Daniel Yep. I went with Petel (on that page).

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6:47 PM

@magicker72 hiya

@magicker72, nice sqrt -1 answer, by the way

(inter alia)

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7:49 PM

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A: Refresh of the Purim Torah Policy

I propose, based on SciMonster's recommendation, to change Close5 Purim Torah questions that aren't "Purim", Torah, and questions. to Close Purim Torah questions that aren't "Purim", Torah, and questions. Use "Off-topic/Other" as the reason, and paste the following into the Com...

^^^ So far, +3/-0. If it remains unanimous through the weekend, I'd suggest going ahead with it.

8:01 PM

@msh210 Hello, and thank you!

8:38 PM

@IsaacMoses Pardon, what did you say?

@msh210 +2/-1 More work needed

ephraim helfgot

9:00 PM

Baruch Hashem that Adar Bet has rolled around.

I was waiting so long to post Purim Torah.

@IsaacMoses :-) To clarify, my downvote was primarily related to my second comment.

@ephraimhelfgot You shoulda come to Auckland with me and greeted Adar 2 earlier.

ephraim helfgot

That would have been nice.

Of course, we could change the policy to start in Adar Alef

By the way, @IsaacMoses, bravo for judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/69104/…

ephraim helfgot

Or at least be able to post on Purim Kattan.

@msh210 Got it. It's a significant issue. If we're going to add complication to the policy, we ought to make sure w're adding it right.

ephraim helfgot

9:02 PM

"אין בין ארבעה עשר..."

@msh210 Thanks

ephraim helfgot

@IsaacMoses Did you put the stones in yet?

@IsaacMoses judaism.stackexchange.com/a/69178 otoh went completely over my head.

ephraim helfgot

Wait, never mind. I meant for Y ez

@ephraimhelfgot If PT season was two or three times as long, we'd likely end up with decreasing funny/dumb ratios

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ephraim helfgot

9:04 PM

I guess.

@IsaacMoses As it is, I'm starting to think we should have it only in Adar sheni's

@msh210 Sorry. I kept it cryptic intentionally. What book could I possibly be referring to?

ephraim helfgot

Still, I need a mental health week in mid-February, and PTIJ fulfills that need.

@msh210 8P

@IsaacMoses I figured you had kept it cryptic intentionally; I have not the slightest idea. (Mind you, I'm not expecting you to tell me. Just supplying some anecdotal evidence that it went over at least one person's head.)

Oh -- got it.

9:07 PM

@msh210 B"H! Should I drop a heavier hint somewhere in it?

@IsaacMoses Nah, it took me less than ten minutes, and I'm a dimwit.

@msh210 So maybe we should introduce the 24-hour rule for 5777, as per @Yez

@IsaacMoses Maybe, but

16 hours ago, by Daniel

We don't have rules about how many open questions a person can have normally

ephraim helfgot

@msh210 What is the reference?

@msh210 Empirically speaking (and consistent with intuition), we get a lot more noise during PTIJ season

9:15 PM

@ephraimhelfgot I am not the author of that post, and the author chose not to make it explicit. See judaism.stackexchange.com/a/23297

ephraim helfgot

@IsaacMoses What is the reference?

@ephraimhelfgot What book could I possibly be referring to?

ephraim helfgot

I have no idea. I'm not all that well-read.

@ephraimhelfgot You're required to read this one, so I'll warrant that you have.

ephraim helfgot

Torah?

Can you give me the hebrew word you are mimicking?

9:21 PM

@ephraimhelfgot I think I've given you enough hints. If it takes you a couple of weeks to figure it out, so be it.

@IsaacMoses Multiple personalities?

Good Shabas and a good chodesh, all.

ephraim helfgot

TZT

Wow. The understanding of Trop in the post is atrocious. BTW why isn't it Takum with a Dagesh if the previous word is pausal? — Double AA ♦ 17 hours ago

It's so frustrating that I can't correct what he says about the Mishna Berura. The Tipcha there does not support the MB (it supports the other side).

ephraim helfgot

@IsaacMoses Wait a second. Do you mean 'My וסת'?

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10:42 PM

@msh210 venahafochti?

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