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Q: Can Communism become a stable economic strategy? How?

TrEs-2b In a capitalist Society, you work, you earn money and you buy a shovel to dig a hole In a communist Society, you are given a shovel and told to work Alt History Hub Communism was a major rival of capitalism, both being on opposite side of the scale. We often say how the best, most stab...

"Communism was a major rival of capitalism" ideologically perhaps but if you're referring to the Soviet Union or China true Communism was never more than a far-off goal for those nations. ANd calling capitalism the "most stable" economic option is absurd. Remember that capitalism is a relatively recent phenomenon. Feudalism is far more stable from a historical perspective.
@ApproachingDarknessFish I did mean ideologically and when I say stable, I mean from revolts and internal conflicts
I suspect you're looking for something closer to socialism; I believe the essential idea is along the lines of "each person contributes what they can and takes what they need". If you want possible examples of how this might be done, look at the 1871 Paris Commune (before it was crushed by the military) or perhaps the Anarchists of the 1936 Spanish Civil War (before that was crushed by various forces); for details on the latter, look for George Orwell's Homage to Catalonia in which he describes his experiences in considerable detail.
user83274
Poverty in the US today is as worse as poverty in the Soviet Union. How is capitalism better?
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Also, the system in the Soviet Union, China, or North Korea isn't communism.
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@what maybe that millions upon millions of people aren't starving to death every years in AMerica, or perhaps the fact that in the Us you have Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press.
@TrEs-2b There are many, many varieties of Communism. Not all are as militant as the Soviet Union's breed of Marxism-Leninism and later Stalinism. There are also anarcho-communists (although I think the more authoritarian varieties of leftism are far more likely to actually succeed, as answers below have hinted at). See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Marxism
@TrEs-2b - Are you suggesting there have not been riots in capitalist systems or other internal conflicts when you say "[stable] from revolts and internal conflicts"? In your US-centric view, what about the Civil War?
I would also posit that totalitarian communist governments are move stable than capitalistic ones, in that they are better able to repress dissent and revolt, they rarely have freedom of speech and are better able to imprison or kill dissenters. But capitalistic governments create less dissent (people are more content) and they are built to change not hold power so they adapt better.
@GrinningX The US did have one major civil war in its 250 year history, but it survived, the USSR fell in 70 years. "Communist" china has lasted what 80 years, though it has major capitalistic elements so I don't know how to count it. The point we don't have a major communist government that has lasted
user83274
@sdrawkcabdear There has never been a communist government.
@sdrawkcabdear - Still waiting for you to name a communist country :). In some fairness, we have never tried pure capitalism just as we have never tried pure communism (outside of small scales for both) - but we went a lot further with capitalism than we ever did with communism. Regardless of communism though, we have not shown Capitalism to be long-term stable either... alternative methods of rule have lasted much longer.
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@what Are you all arguing that there have been no communist countries? Russia China Cuba and Vietnam all thought they were communist and were trumpeted at the time as communist, but I guess they could all be wrong. This raises an interesting question, can a communist country exist?? Is the ideal so unstable and so unachievable it has never existed? Is the ideal evolving changing to cut out each failed "communist" government?
@GrinningX Fair point we probably have not seen pure communism, but we have seen majority communism, can't we draw conclusions from it? Democracy in its modern form is fairly new, capitalism is really old and fairly universal. The romans bough and sold and paid wages in ancient times. The ancient Egyptians and the civilizations of the Yangzi and Indus river valleys had currency.
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@sdrawkcabdear Please educate yourself about communism. All those states are self-declared socialist, which is assumed to be a precursor for utopian communism. There are no and never were any communist states. Just because the US were once afraid of "commies", doesn't mean that there actually ever were any.
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@sdrawkcabdear Woa, the romans had slaves, and the middle ages had serfdom. Capitalism in the West began in the 16th century, with the burgeois merchants.
@sdrawkcabdear It's even in the name. "United Soviet Socialist Republics".
user83274
@TrEs-2b What you describe in your question can be better described as communitarian, or even simply as cooperative versus competitive, or prosocial versus self-interest, and is less based on political theory than on psychological traits.
Would a post-scarcity civilisation help you? Their economy would be static and resources could be equally distributed.
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@what, excuse the pun, but what are you smoking? Census data from 1989 says poverty rate in USA was 14% (it was at 14% last year as well). Articles I can find from 1989 say 20% of Soviet citizens fell under poverty line, unless you go by "official" line for needs... which was calculated in the 1960's! And even the more acknowledged line of just 124$ a month per person in a family of 4 was just half! of what was determined as the poverty line in the USA. So if the poverty line were drawn equally in both countries the disparity would of been even greater!
user83274
@Ryan I am smoking hate for capitalism. 14% poor? At a 5% unemployment rate?!? Ha ha ha ha ha! Now that is capitalism for you.
@what, What does unemployment have to do with it? The 14% includes both those too young to work and those too old to work, as well as those that can't work, and those that refuse to work. The 5% unemployment is strictly a calculation of percent of population that wants to work but can't find jobs currently.
user83274
@Ryan In 2010 there where about 11% working poor and 6% non-working poor in the USA.

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