Casual Chat Chess

PhiNotPi

00:39

I've done some research and came across a "universal" system of 1. d3 2. Nf3 3. Nbd2 4. e4 5. Be2

I looks like that move sequence, with local Stockfish playing black, leads to a -0.6 evaluation.

PhiNotPi

02:04

Obviously not that good, but it's reasonable considering the fact that almost entirely ignores what black is doing.

PhiNotPi

02:58

Coolest opening ever: the Bongcloud Attack: chessmastery.com/bongcloud.pdf

PhiNotPi

14:27

TODO: find an unnamed chess opening and name it.

PhiNotPi

16:36

0. Initial Configuration
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |bB.|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b | b.| b | b.| b | b.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.| w | w.| w | w.| w | w.|

bwoebi

17:11

1. d4
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |bB.|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b | b.| b | b.| b | b.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .|   | w.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.| w |  .| w | w.| w | w.|

PhiNotPi

1... g6
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |bB.|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b | b.| b | b.| b |  .| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .|   |  .| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .|   | w.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.| w |  .| w | w.| w | w.|

bwoebi

2. c4
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |bB.|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b | b.| b | b.| b |  .| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .|   |  .| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w | w.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .| w | w.| w | w.|

last time we had kings indian attack, now kings indian defense :-D

PhiNotPi

2... Bg7
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b | b.| b | b.| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .|   |  .| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w | w.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .| w | w.| w | w.|

bwoebi

oops… didn't mean to remove:

3. Nc3
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b | b.| b | b.| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .|   |  .| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w | w.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .| w | w.| w | w.|

PhiNotPi

3... c5
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .| b | b.| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .|   |  .| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   | b.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w | w.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .| w | w.| w | w.|

bwoebi

17:24

4. e3
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .| b | b.| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .|   |  .| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   | b.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w | w.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|   | w.|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|   | w.| w | w.|

PhiNotPi

4... Nf6
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|   |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .| b | b.| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   | b.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w | w.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|   | w.|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|   | w.| w | w.|

so... my issue is that I pretty much pre-planned my moves up until now... and now I don't really know what to do next. #yolo

bwoebi

5. Bd3
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|   |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .| b | b.| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   | b.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w | w.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|wB | w.|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|   | w.| w | w.|

@PhiNotPi just normal opening… look at theory if you wish something else

PhiNotPi

5... d6
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|   |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .|   | b.| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   | b.|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   | b.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w | w.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|wB | w.|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|   | w.| w | w.|

bwoebi

6. Nge2
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|   |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .|   | b.| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   | b.|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   | b.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w | w.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|wB | w.|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|wN | w.| w | w.|

(actually Ne2 would've been ambiguous^^)

PhiNotPi

6... cxd4
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|   |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .|   | b.| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   | b.|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w | b.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|wB | w.|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|wN | w.| w | w.|

diffusing the situation a bit

bwoebi

17:36

7. exd4
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|   |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .|   | b.| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   | b.|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w | w.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|wB |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|wN | w.| w | w.|

PhiNotPi

7. Nbd7
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8 |bR |  .|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|   |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .|bN | b.| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   | b.|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w | w.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|wB |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|wN | w.| w | w.|

bwoebi

you mean N8d7

PhiNotPi

fixed, thanks

bwoebi

8. O-O
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8 |bR |  .|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|   |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .|bN | b.| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   | b.|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w | w.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|wB |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|wN | w.| w | w.|

PhiNotPi

8... e5
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8 |bR |  .|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|   |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .|bN |  .| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   | b.|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .|   | b.|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w | w.|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|wB |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|wN | w.| w | w.|

bwoebi

17:44

9. d5
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8 |bR |  .|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|   |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .|bN |  .| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   | b.|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .| w | b.|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w |  .|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|wB |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|wN | w.| w | w.|

PhiNotPi

9... O-O
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8 |bR |  .|bB |bQ.|   |bR.|bK |  .|
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7 | b.| b |  .|bN |  .| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   | b.|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .| w | b.|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w |  .|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|wB |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|wN | w.| w | w.|

bwoebi

10. f4
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8 |bR |  .|bB |bQ.|   |bR.|bK |  .|
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7 | b.| b |  .|bN |  .| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   | b.|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .| w | b.|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w |  .|   | w.|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|wB |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|wN |  .| w | w.|

PhiNotPi

10... exf4
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8 |bR |  .|bB |bQ.|   |bR.|bK |  .|
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7 | b.| b |  .|bN |  .| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   | b.|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .| w |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w |  .|   | b.|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|wB |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|wN |  .| w | w.|

bwoebi

11. Bxf4
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8 |bR |  .|bB |bQ.|   |bR.|bK |  .|
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7 | b.| b |  .|bN |  .| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   | b.|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .| w |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w |  .|   |wB.|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|wB |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|wN |  .| w | w.|

Adnan

11... Re8
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8 |bR |  .|bB |bQ.|bR |  .|bK |  .|
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7 | b.| b |  .|bN |  .| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   | b.|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .| w |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w |  .|   |wB.|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|wB |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|wN |  .| w | w.|

bwoebi

17:58

moin @Adnan :-)

Adnan

good evening

PhiNotPi

hello

bwoebi

I now wonder a bit what to do … perhaps pushing h pawn to h4->h5?

but that's probably exposing the king too much

at least for now

Adnan

That's a possibility

Nh5 might come after h4 though

PhiNotPi

watch out for Qb6+

bwoebi

18:02

@Adnan yeah, and I don't want to push the g pawn too

Qd2 is probably better

strengthens that diagonal and protects b2 too

12. Ng3
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8 |bR |  .|bB |bQ.|bR |  .|bK |  .|
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7 | b.| b |  .|bN |  .| b |bB.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   | b.|   |bN.| b |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .| w |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .| w |  .|   |wB.|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |wN.|wB |  .|   |wN.|   |
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2 | w | w.|   |  .|   |  .| w | w.|

PhiNotPi

I think black should try to move his knights. Both of his knights are blocking his bishops.

bwoebi

// afk, dinner

Adnan

Yeah, true

Perhaps Nc5 or Ne5?

PhiNotPi

Both would attack the d3 bishop (although that bishop is protected by the queen). Nc5 could lead to b4 which might force us to back off, and also blocks the Qb6+ check path.

Ne5 could lead to a knight-for-bishop trade, which I guess is okay.

we could do Qb5+ right now to force some kind of reaction (basically give us a free turn?)

also, I think it's funny how all of black's pieces are on his first three rows.

Adnan

18:20

12...Nc5 13.b4 Nxd3 14.Qxd3 Qb6+ wins a pawn for black I think

Ne5 also looks very good. I don't think white is going to trade the bishop for the knight, since that would lead to a more active position for black

Well, gtg now

bye

bwoebi

19:19

@Adnan Qb6 won't win a pawn because Rf2

(That's ultimately why I've played Ng3 - to be able to protect that second line)

El'endia Starman

19:29

What about 12. ... Nc5 13. b4 Bg4?

PhiNotPi

I don't think white will play b4, though.

bwoebi

not sure why white should play b4

that's a wasted move, especially as black can just change knight against bishop then

12. ... Nc5 Be2

is more likely I guess

El'endia Starman

Hmm, looks like Qb6+ is best defended against by a king move.

bwoebi

@El'endiaStarman no, Rf2 as said

else white will lose b2

El'endia Starman

Ah, right.

bwoebi

19:40

@Adnan you're quite right here…

With black Ne5 is probably best, followed by … good question. :-D

oh damnit

hmm

not yet damnit but dangerous for white

I think Ne5 forces white to trade bishop against knight

especially if you want to protect the pawn on b2

Rf2 is not possible after Ne2 because of black putting its knight on g4 (now protected via bishop on c8) and attacking f2 then

trading the bishop vs knight wins one move white needs here

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